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| mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 3:28 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Wow I can't believe the attacks on someone's character is being allowed to go on. None of the allegations are proven, all just here say up to now. I thought this was against the BHW rules. I have had my hand slapped just on an opinion about who was chosen to ride a high dollar horse. I didn't attack anyone's character either. 
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 6:36 PM
mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 3:28 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Wow I can't believe the attacks on someone's character is being allowed to go on. None of the allegations are proven, all just here say up to now. I thought this was against the BHW rules. I have had my hand slapped just on an opinion about who was chosen to ride a high dollar horse. I didn't attack anyone's character either.
You totally missed my point. My comment was to all those bashing TC when it's all here say. My hands were slapped by a mod on a previous thread. |
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| mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:43 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 6:36 PM mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 3:28 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Wow I can't believe the attacks on someone's character is being allowed to go on. None of the allegations are proven, all just here say up to now. I thought this was against the BHW rules. I have had my hand slapped just on an opinion about who was chosen to ride a high dollar horse. I didn't attack anyone's character either. You totally missed my point. My comment was to all those bashing TC when it's all here say. My hands were slapped by a mod on a previous thread.
Since you quoted my post I assumed it was aimed in my direction. No harm, no foul!  |
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Was 1st place in tie down the only check that wasn't paid out?
Did the steer wrestler hire an attorney to get paid?
Were there others that didn't get paid for several months after the event was over?
What other events made deals in the past to split the money?
How much has the American lost in the last 2 years?
Can anyone answer these questions with something other than facts that aren't really facts. Lol
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | run2run - 2016-02-25 8:22 PM Just some questions I have: Was 1st place in tie down the only check that wasn't paid out? Did the steer wrestler hire an attorney to get paid? Were there others that didn't get paid for several months after the event was over? What other events made deals in the past to split the money? How much has the American lost in the last 2 years? Can anyone answer these questions with something other than facts that aren't really facts. Lol
Steer wrestler question:
There was some ambiguity regarding the rules about if there was a tie in an event win. They settled it shortly after the rodeo with a conference call between Fields (bareback winner), Reimer (calf roping winner) and KC Jones (steer wrestling winner). It was decided that Jones would get $283K….all three gave up a little money to settle the question since there really wasn’t a precedent for what to do with a tie ………. |
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| NJJ - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
1980's Ol' Roy sure wasn't a saint. His rope can was known to carry more then ropes as i recall. LOL |
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| NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM
It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws?
There are actually three investigations The FBI, Texas Rangers,and the local police. Randy also said he would not ban anyone UNTIL after the investigation is over. |
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Location: Texas | jbhoot - 2016-02-25 9:51 PM
NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM
It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws?
There are actually three investigations The FBI, Texas Rangers,and the local police. Randy also said he would not ban anyone UNTIL after the investigation is over.
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| Didn't Taylor Price win the bareback? According to an article on rodeocountryradio.com no such conversation ever took place where the guys agreed to give a portion of their money to the steer wrestler and that is also being addressed in the lawsuit. Maybe someone can copy and paste that article.
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Location: In my own little world | This is fact and not hearsay. These are the exact words from the interview with Randy. I also watched this episode on RFD TV Now if there were only 4 involved and two could benefit significantly from it, it really narrows any "accusations" down of who that might be if somewas is speculating....And with all the law agencies involved issues generally don't get to that level without due cause.
About last year; at The American Finals, there were accusations of wrongdoing among some of the Final Four contestants in the calf roping. Have you had any resolution to that situation?
No. What we’ve done is turned it over to the proper legal authorities and have asked them to address the issue. As far as I know, there’s still an investigation going on.
Has there been any money awarded to the winners in that event yet?
Nope, not in the calf roping.
Will anybody be barred from competing as a result in 2016?
That’s really hard. I never want to be a person who puts doubt in our own industry. If the proper authorities came back and said, “There is something here,” then we would have to address it. But until that time, my opinion is that we have to move forward until something is handed down.
When you reference “proper authorities,” could you clarify who you mean?
We put this out to several different law authorities, everyone from the FBI to the Texas Rangers to the Arlington Police Department.
Have you received any updates from any of those agencies on their investigation?
We’ve had some discussions with some, but at this point, until everything has been completed, it’s not fair to talk about it.
What rulebook and procedural changes have you made for the coming year to keep those problems at bay?
We have a plan, but we won’t announce it until October. But this is something we’ve sat down in many meetings to determine a plan that makes this the best for the fans and to make sure the event has the utmost integrity.
- See more at: http://spintowinrodeo.com/article/rfds-randy-bernard-talks-2016-ame... |
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| mollibtexan - 2016-02-25 11:03 PM
jbhoot - 2016-02-25 9:51 PM
NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM
It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws?
There are actually three investigations The FBI, Texas Rangers,and the local police. Randy also said he would not ban anyone UNTIL after the investigation is over.
Way to go love this response. I will say though there had to have had substantial evidence.
I agree - there would have to be substantial evidence to keep an investigation moving forward - Doing a little digging, the RICO laws have different parts and section 1962 defines and manages the issues. 1962(c) also discusses patterns of conduct in an enterprise - sooooo if the investigators determined that some of the individuals involved had done this before, things could get dicey pretty quickly and also account for the investigation taking a longer period of time.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | run2run - 2016-02-25 11:30 PM Didn't Taylor Price win the bareback? According to an article on rodeocountryradio.com no such conversation ever took place where the guys agreed to give a portion of their money to the steer wrestler and that is also being addressed in the lawsuit. Maybe someone can copy and paste that article.
This is the article where Randy Bernard states that there WAS a conversation via conference call to include the steer wrestler in a portion of the million $$$$..........
http://www.therodeoroundup.com/news/major-announcement-regarding-1-million-dollar-prize-american/
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| Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question)
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Location: South Central Florida | Something I don't understand, I guess it depends on the order of events, but how could they know how many qualifiers in other events might win? That would effect the portion of the $1 million, right? I guess they might know by the last round, some events didn't have any qualifiers in the last 4.
BUT, if it is not specifically against the rules (I do not think it is okay at all) how can they punish someone? It is wrong, and should be wrong, but I'm curious how the rules come in to play.
Example, the 1st year, the first 3 in the final round hit barrels...Lisa L could have (but didn't) high loped a pattern and not risked hitting a barrel and won it. Instead she ran wide open and had one of the fastest times overall AND still won it. But I guess that's sort of my question, do they have rules going into the last round that address things like that?
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Location: torrington, wy | Did they do a Fantasy Rodeo for this rodeo? Like where you bought riders and teams and it paid back? If so, I think that is where your Fed's would come in if it was, when gambling is involed, there is a new set of rules.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM
Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question)
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Location: South Central Florida | I also find it incredibly hard to believe no one had a provision for a tie written into the rules. |
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Location: South Central Florida | mreklaw - 2016-02-26 4:34 PM smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question) If you didn't HEAR it yourself then it's here say!
It kind of sounds like the poster DID hear it for themselves.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Swannranch - 2016-02-26 3:38 PM
mreklaw - 2016-02-26 4:34 PM smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question) If you didn't HEAR it yourself then it's here say!
Then I guess the poster should be talking to the Feds! |
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| mreklaw - 2016-02-26 1:34 PM
smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM
Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question)
If you didn't HEAR it yourself then it's here say!
It's HEARSAY !!
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