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| epoh - 2016-04-06 1:06 PM
I think that for rehab or injury it would be a good tool to use. Specificaly for soft tissues. But definitely not a pre/post race tool. Stand on one of those for the amount of time your horse would and then try to go for a run. You will feel fatigued.... And after your horse runs, you want the body to recovery, not something that adds fatigue.
Why do people put softrides on their horses and air ride on their Trailer? Why do they put the nice poly flooring in it? To absorb shock/vibration... In my opinion the plates do have serve a purpose like I said above, but outside of that I cannot really see much good in it...
why do people wrap their horses legs in the summer everytime they step foot in the trailer then buy a $500 ice machine or ice boots to reduce heat and inflammation? (YES injury,young Colts, wounds, stocking up-- wrapping is acceptable ). What do you do after a hot day at the barrel race? Take your Jeans off and put Shorts on..cuz why? The jeans create and traps heat, why do that for your horse when they're the ones who actually performed?? Sidenote- Yes I do see benefits of BOT/wraps in colder weather, just to keep a horse warmed up and loose.
Same goes for people who feed in a haybag all weekend. Horses are MADE to have their head down grazing, they're not made to eat upwards. With their heads down it let's their sinuses drain and muscles relax and not tense. YET, people buy equi resps to clear their horses nasal passages and pay bookoo bucks for adjustments cuz they can't figure out why their horses poll/jaw is consistently out... "but they waste their hay when it's not in a bag" well I can gurantee you that you'll spend less in a weekend of hay.
Basically my argument is here is to treat a horse like a horse, and the barrel racing therapy industry has you suckered..
Also, I've never have spent the $500 on a magnetic blanket and probably adding to an upwards of 1k for a whole outfit. Ditched my softride after I bought them because they were too heavy, yes they do also serve a purpose for injury/rock/cement situations, BUT have you all ever walked around with ankle weights on for a youth? Lol We are all about using lightweight gear, yet we have these huge rubber shoes on our horses up until we run them. 
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Had a trial and none of our horses would get on that 'vibrating monster'. I see so many gimmicks lately. Not saying it is but what happened to just keeping things simple?
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Location: SE KS | cyount2009 - 2016-04-06 12:54 PM
Tdove - 2016-04-06 12:47 PM
I will say one thing, I have seen many horses that weren't that thrilled to get on it the first time, actually want to step up on it. I have one mare that is tight, tight and really always alert. She now gets on it and goes really loose and licks her lips. Anybody with any knowledge of horse behavior knows that the horses at least like it and it relaxes them. That cannot possibly be a bad thing.
We sack our colts out with a flag and bag full of soda cans. They don't like it at first but eventually they stop moving, loosen up, soften and lick their lips too. If I do it every day eventually they will lick and soften as soon as they see the equipment. It doesn't mean they like it.
sounds like it means their used to it!!!
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | epoh - 2016-04-06 11:06 AM
I think that for rehab or injury it would be a good tool to use. Specificaly for soft tissues. But definitely not a pre/post race tool. Stand on one of those for the amount of time your horse would and then try to go for a run. You will feel fatigued.... And after your horse runs, you want the body to recovery, not something that adds fatigue.
Why do people put softrides on their horses and air ride on their Trailer? Why do they put the nice poly flooring in it? To absorb shock/vibration... In my opinion the plates do have serve a purpose like I said above, but outside of that I cannot really see much good in it...
why do people wrap their horses legs in the summer everytime they step foot in the trailer then buy a $500 ice machine or ice boots to reduce heat and inflammation? (YES injury,young Colts, wounds, stocking up-- wrapping is acceptable ). What do you do after a hot day at the barrel race? Take your Jeans off and put Shorts on..cuz why? The jeans create and traps heat, why do that for your horse when they're the ones who actually performed?? Sidenote- Yes I do see benefits of BOT/wraps in colder weather, just to keep a horse warmed up and loose.
Same goes for people who feed in a haybag all weekend. Horses are MADE to have their head down grazing, they're not made to eat upwards. With their heads down it let's their sinuses drain and muscles relax and not tense. YET, people buy equi resps to clear their horses nasal passages and pay bookoo bucks for adjustments cuz they can't figure out why their horses poll/jaw is consistently out... "but they waste their hay when it's not in a bag" well I can gurantee you that you'll spend less in a weekend of hay.
Basically my argument is here is to treat a horse like a horse, and the barrel racing therapy industry has you suckered..
Also, I've never have spent the $500 on a magnetic blanket and probably adding to an upwards of 1k for a whole outfit. Ditched my softride after I bought them because they were too heavy, yes they do also serve a purpose for injury/rock/cement situations, BUT have you all ever walked around with ankle weights on for a youth? Lol We are all about using lightweight gear, yet we have these huge rubber shoes on our horses up until we run them.
Yup all gimmicks. Although, if one's leg is a little 'loose' or stocked up, they get wrapped. I do use flair strips on one of my horses but no equi-resp. I have a BOT, for use only as needed. I believe in keeping things simple and just letting them be horses. I cringe when I see horses getting 'pre-race therapy'. |
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| This has been my experience. I don't understand about the not increasing circulation. i was hit in the lower leg by a steer years ago. didn't break the bone but really screwed things up, i have a dead spot in my skin, no sensation and a permanent swelling in that area. when out in vegas doing the marathon window shopping at the nfr, my foot starts to hurt and some tingle, not unusual. I climb on a theraplate low vibration and it makes so much pressure start in my foot up my ankle until it feels almost like it breaks through that spot and made it feel so much better. my feet really thanked me for climbing on that thing.
it doesn't vibrate like a trailer does, a trailer has concussion and drops and jolts, this is a constant low threshold vibration. so we got one on a trial, my mom uses it for herself as much as anything and she is an exercise freak, so its not the only exercise she gets, and my dad sits on it in a chair for his hip joints.
Horse wise, we had a horse come back from a trainer with a bad rope burn and swollen back leg, we fought that with over and over, with our vet, knowledgable lady, for over 2 months. cellulitis(sp?) couldn't get it to go away every treatment we tried nothing worked, put him on theraplate for 2x day, followed the recommended settings and in 2 weeks the swelling was cut in half. After a month he was sound, ugly scar, but sound and no swelling, after 2 months we could ride again and haven't looked back. I don't know much but I know that is the only thing we could get to work on that particular injury for that particular horse. |
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| I'm not exactly sure how the theraplate works, never really looked too deep into because I know I'll never get to actually use one. But if it's anything like what I put my tired, achy, swollen feet on after working a trade show for a week straight in high heels, my toes were actually starting to feel numb. I was walking around looking at other venders and this man offered me to sit down and put my feet on this vibrating plate thing and I was absolutely blown away at how much better my feet, back and legs felt after 15 minutes! All the feelings in my toes came back and my energy level was amazing. I can't remember what it was called because this was many many years ago, but I sure wish I had one in my house now. |
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| 3canstorun - 2016-04-06 1:25 PM
While I agree that some vets have never been around a horse except for in vet school, I will say I have a vet who actually owns horses and has had world champions. While I don't know his opinion on this type of thing, I do know he is willing to think outside the box. I.e., we did the crest toothpaste and it did actually take off the warts better then the chemical crap he sales.
However, that funny looking guy on TV is selling the MagnaWave you can hold in your hand. That celebrities and sports people use - last month he was selling Emu Oil.
Just an FYI - carry on
You are lucky you have a vet that thinks out side of the box. They are few and far between, at least in my area. |
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Location: West Texas | Yall are so funny. More than anything you jumped on me for having opinions for it and reasons why I think it can help. I think I know the difference between being used to it and enjoying it. I have no problems with you not valuing it or using it. Just trying to be helpful with real positive experience. Wish we had one. |
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Location: Midwest | Tdove - 2016-04-06 3:32 PM Yall are so funny. More than anything you jumped on me for having opinions for it and reasons why I think it can help. I think I know the difference between being used to it and enjoying it. I have no problems with you not valuing it or using it. Just trying to be helpful with real positive experience. Wish we had one. You were jumped on because you sounded rude and angry (intended or not)
on the subject at hand, a three figure modality for my horse is not something I chose to invest my money in when it lacks significant clinical data. There are other ways to accomplish things that are much more reasonably priced. Jmho
eta Just realized it costs 3,000. That's not small amount for me...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-04-06 3:43 PM
Tdove - 2016-04-06 3:32 PM Yall are so funny. More than anything you jumped on me for having opinions for it and reasons why I think it can help. I think I know the difference between being used to it and enjoying it. I have no problems with you not valuing it or using it. Just trying to be helpful with real positive experience. Wish we had one. You were jumped on because you sounded rude and angry (intended or not)
on the subject at hand, a three figure modality for my horse is not something I chose to invest my money in when it lacks significant clinical data. There are other ways to accomplish things that are much more reasonably priced. Jmho
eta Just realized it costs 3,000. That's not small amount for me...
Even if you can afford it, I don't think it makes much sense. People who have money, don't typically accumulate wealth because they are gullible.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I have no experience with a Theraplate. But I do use the human equivelent in the gym after I workout. I find that it does relax and loosen the muscles. Since starting a fairly serious conditioning program about three months ago, I have never really been sore and I really attribute it to use of the human theraplate (whatever it is called). |
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| SC Wrangler - 2016-04-06 4:46 PM
I have no experience with a Theraplate. But I do use the human equivelent in the gym after I workout. I find that it does relax and loosen the muscles. Since starting a fairly serious conditioning program about three months ago, I have never really been sore and I really attribute it to use of the human theraplate (whatever it is called).
Probably the same thing I got to use... maybe an updated version.. but I can attest to the effectiveness of it! |
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Location: Louisiana | My vet purchased a human version for his wife. I forget what her health issue is...
But, he said all it did for him was make him release tension in the form of gas. Thanks doc 
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Location: sunny california | I had a cat that would jump on the plate and meow until you turned it on. she would stand there for a long time then lay on it |
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Location: Oregon | Well, I guess if we all had the same beliefs, same tastes, everything worked the same for everybody, we all liked the same tv shows and music (as long as they aren’t vegetarians and like rodeo’s), all loved the same color, we would live in a boring world. So happy we’re all different with all different experiences so everything can balance itself out.  |
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| It reminds me of the vibrating beds at the cheap motels. Lol |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | I haven't read through all the posts, but I bought a theraplate when they first came out. I thought it would be awesome for my "hot" barrel horse who has arthritis. Well I soon found out he absolutely hated standing on the **** thing. I would've needed to buy stocks just for him to stand on it for longer than 5 minutes. Finally I gave up and recently sold that effing thing for $1500.00 when I roughly paid $5000.00 and it was barely used just sitting in the barn. I've never been so happy to get rid of something. Some people love them but I couldn't even get my horse to remotely relax on it so I seen no benefits. |
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| dashnlotti - 2016-04-06 5:27 PM
My vet purchased a human version for his wife. I forget what her health issue is...
But, he said all it did for him was make him release tension in the form of gas. Thanks doc
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| I WILL say that different things work differently for each individual. I bought my Mom some wrist braces for her either arthritic or carpal tunnel. She LOVED them and said they gave her great relief. Put poll pack on a hot horse and he settled right down. I tried magnets on myself and they made me hurt WORSE. So who is right and who is wrong? Even if it is from a placebo affect, getting results would be worth going through the motions.
When I had the Theraplate on trial, I had two with chronic injuries and did not want to stand on injured leg, so I had to push them to stand on that leg. After a few days they were happy to get on and stay on. My colt accidently stepped off the front, freaked out and started to back off. Before I could get to him he stepped back on and stood quietly, indicating he liked it ( in my eyes anyways, he wasn't tied). And I did have that adhesion break loose on myself, so there is some indication of an effect, but then I read all the thing it is "supposed" to help and I can't help thinking...."Yeah, right".
I just recently was told that the Theraplate is circular and the Equivibe is up and down (sounds more tiring and possibly damaging to me). Does anyone have any insight to THAT part of the argument?
I do know that if there is something out there that would help me keep this senior mare I am running, going strong for a few more years, I would take the chance, even if it was to only make ME feel better about running the poo out of her.
On the vet thing. I have found that I trust the old, experienced vets much more than the new ones who depend on new technology to make their diagnosis. Had a mare colic and my "old" vet told me that she had twisted the small intestine because he could feel the tension on the ligament attached to it and sent me off to State for surgery. At State they told me that there was no way my vet could tell if there was a twist and it took tow hours, several pieces of diagnostic equipment and several student and teaching vets to tell me that they would have to open her up before they could tell me what was wrong. Opened her up and.....she had a 360 degree twist of the small intestine. There are many other instances where good, experienced vets have diagnosed and sometimes unconventionally treated horses that expensive diagnostic equipment could give no answers on. I HATE that my good vets are all getting old and starting to retire!
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