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| cheeka77 - 2016-07-28 12:19 PM Thank you Oregon and GLP, people who have dealt with true type 2 horses and not being able to fix them understand why this is such good news. Breeders like a few above trying to argue are just pushing back because they don't want their stock tested but it only helps push the researchers! The early release of the test is because so many people were asking that they wanted to do what's right and release it! I looked and a few that commented weren't part of the FB group so they haven't been able to ask questions or read updated info ;) But again, just here for the horses and I'm so glad people understand where I'm coming from!
Paul- "There is going to be a lot of data, and a big story, when we publish. Based on what we have seen so far, we thought that it was irresponsible not to offer the test. Plenty of people asked us about it and wanted to buy it."
Also, for the reply above yes I want to try the SuperSport badly! I have her on the Triple Crown 30 because that's what I can get but I've heard great things about SS for high protein and AA's! Thanks :)
See, this post bothers me a bit ... for a few reasons. Maybe I am reading your tone as condescending and taunting, maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it is the defensiveness in your other posts, or the fact that you are insinuating we are all bad horse owners for not testing our animals. I think the test is needed. But, the way this company is putting it out there, really makes my science skeptiscm rise.
Directly, how does a breeder who doesn't want to test (becuase there are no symptoms or other reasons to test their horse) push the researcher?
Also, early releasing a test is bogus. I don't care what Paul says, if they "have a big story" and "a lot of data" you publish it to support the test you are offering and gives your customers a reason to spend the $99. With publication, also comes credibility of said test that stands up in court. If you don't take the time to actually publish the data you have collected, you and your company can be held liable for the outcomes and/or income loss from this test. FOR REAL - genetic testing is no joke and testing labs have been sued for MAJOR money because the test was wrong and caused the producer income loss.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-07-29 10:05 AM
Cur-ost would probably take care if this situaion and you wouldn't have to test for it.
Have you ever dealt with PSSM in ANY form?
I am one of the first to try alternative therapies "if I see any logical way they might be effective". PSSM is a matter of how blood sugars are metabolized in the muscles.... show me how herbs are going to change that, when a simple change in diet can be effective for the PSSM2 horse. By all means, let's spend extra money on supplements.
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-07-29 11:58 AM
1DSoon - 2016-07-29 10:05 AM
Cur-ost would probably take care if this situaion and you wouldn't have to test for it.
Have you ever dealt with PSSM in ANY form?
I am one of the first to try alternative therapies "if I see any logical way they might be effective". PSSM is a matter of how blood sugars are metabolized in the muscles.... show me how herbs are going to change that, when a simple change in diet can be effective for the PSSM2 horse. By all means, let's spend extra money on supplements.
He was being facetious(?), like always.
That is not one of the issues that Dr. Schell lists as possibly being helped by his supplements.
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Location: So. California | Cheeka77 - thank you for the information and discussion on PSSM2.
You mentioned a stallion’s name that is deceased. That stallion was NEVER tested, so there is no proof that he carried any gene or genetic defect. He may have been a "suspect" carrier of the gene, but where is the proof that he had the gene? There is none. That is where you can get yourself into a whole bunch of legal trouble. If you have any doubt, you should read the published research information on PSSM1, wherein they ONLY use the suspect stallion’s initials, never a name. BTW - that study took over 10 years to complete and be published, complete with testing results. Food for thought....
I am not on Paul's bandwagon, yet. Though, I do commend his effort and research into equine genetics. Personally, I've taken a few backward steps based on his statements, as he has yet to publish his data, testing methods, and all the information obtained to his peers. The reason why a peer review is so important is that an outside body/source(s), must review his stats and duplicate his testing/results to confirm the findings as accurate.
My understanding is that genetic research and testing takes YEARS to develop and review, to double check, verify accuracy and conduct blind studies. This does not appear to be the case with his research (I could be wrong though). How can anyone say his "new" findings are accurate and true, if no one outside of his company has had the opportunity to review and validate his testing/methodology and results? I'm just not buying into his spin, and, am not convinced by his responses to the various questions put forth. If you have 100% faith in your testing/results, and you have trademarked your testing methodology, there is no reason NOT to publish the data for peer review. Time will tell, I'm sitting on the fence until this research has been independently verified.
If others want to purchase the genetic test for pre-disposition (not actually having the disease, just the chance to develop the disease) then so be it. It's their money, and if they've been banging their heads against the wall, trying to find answers, and this gives them comfort, then they can take the chance. I say go for it.
Until I get what I need to feel comfortable and confident in the testing/results, I will stay on fence, watching and waiting. 
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| Anniemae - 2016-07-29 12:34 PM Cheeka77 - thank you for the information and discussion on PSSM2.
You mentioned a stallion’s name that is deceased. That stallion was NEVER tested, so there is no proof that he carried any gene or genetic defect. He may have been a "suspect" carrier of the gene, but where is the proof that he had the gene? There is none. That is where you can get yourself into a whole bunch of legal trouble. If you have any doubt, you should read the published research information on PSSM1, wherein they ONLY use the suspect stallion’s initials, never a name. BTW - that study took over 10 years to complete and be published, complete with testing results. Food for thought....
I am not on Paul's bandwagon, yet. Though, I do commend his effort and research into equine genetics. Personally, I've taken a few backward steps based on his statements, as he has yet to publish his data, testing methods, and all the information obtained to his peers. The reason why a peer review is so important is that an outside body/source (s ), must review his stats and duplicate his testing/results to confirm the findings as accurate.
My understanding is that genetic research and testing takes YEARS to develop and review, to double check, verify accuracy and conduct blind studies. This does not appear to be the case with his research (I could be wrong though ). How can anyone say his "new" findings are accurate and true, if no one outside of his company has had the opportunity to review and validate his testing/methodology and results? I'm just not buying into his spin, and, am not convinced by his responses to the various questions put forth. If you have 100% faith in your testing/results, and you have trademarked your testing methodology, there is no reason NOT to publish the data for peer review. Time will tell, I'm sitting on the fence until this research has been independently verified.
If others want to purchase the genetic test for pre-dis position (not actually having the disease, just the chance to develop the disease ) then so be it. It's their money, and if they've been banging their heads against the wall, trying to find answers, and this gives them comfort, then they can take the chance. I say go for it.
Until I get what I need to feel comfortable and confident in the testing/results, I will stay on fence, watching and waiting.
This is so well said. I too commend and appreciate his efforts in bringing these diseases to light. Very much so! However, some of his theories on management of the disease I find disconcernting. Add to that the business tactics, and I'm also watching and waiting. | |
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| Alright too many people to reply to so I'll just do it all in one-hopefully I get everything!
Firstly, my mare’s pedigree has not been shared except with the EquiSeq team and people I have told via messages, and I have free range to do that, as does anyone else. A few of her siblings (owners) from his side have come forward and messaged me saying they have symptomatic horses as well and are being tested. The stallion owner is aware and figuring out what to do, he wasn't even 5 paneled until this year even though he is older-because he was sold. I told them I would be sharing. I don't care who knows she has PSSM because it will help educate others.
Second, Jet Deck (who I said we BELIEVE is a suspect) is long gone as are his owners, yes I would love to see them try and sue me LOL. Sure I'm being a bit snippy to some but they are (most likely) breeders who are getting facts wrong and have the mindset that genetic testing is annoying/not for them because they don't want their stock tested from what I can assume. Other’s just seem to like to argue which isn't helping anyone  . I am not insinuating (if you were talking about me) that people are bad horse owners for not testing. If you have a horse you suspect, it would be awesome to test them because it gives them more results and the researchers working on pedigree mapping leads to go on. Don't have suspect horses right now? (like the girl arguing for no reason when she finally stated she didn't have any) that's fine, wait! We need skeptics in the world! See where this goes, open your mind, let's all get together as a horse community and breed healthy horses! 
Third-THE TEST WAS RELEASED EARLY FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T GET IN THE FREE STUDY AND DON'T WANT TO WAIT. People kept asking and asking, so here it is for those who were negative for type 1 and didn't know where to turn. Now, of course if breeders want to jump the gun and test horses no one is stopping them because for what we know right now, this test is pretty accurate that we know of and will help breeders have healthy horses. A few vets with affected horses have done the test as well. Have I (or anyone else) stated that you HAVE to test or that you're terrible without it? Not that I've seen?? Someone asked about pushing the researcher, I meant about the people denying the research, the denial is pushing them to work harder and get the information out. I think it's pretty clear this company is doing everything the legal way hence why they can't release certain Information-I don't know anything about that aspect of the company as I am not a part of them. The people testing their horses are people who are struggling with unknown muscle disorders and when these horses come back positive it's pretty clear they're doing something right because it makes sense. Did they release to early? I know nothing about legality or reasons why they did or did not so that's not my subject to answer on :)
As for bloodlines, years ago a respected researcher at the U of M worked on tracking down PSSM 2 in QH’s and when these new researchers were learning about it, they found initials for 2 horses they believed "started" it or at least they can track to. Out of all the horses tested (that a girl on FB has a private database of) including muscle biopsies, all but 2 go back to those 2 horses. She believes she knows the 3rd horse as well. The list of suspect horses we talk about are already published data, not what this test or EquiSeq has found. The BRIDGE database has 5 panel results of public and/or submitted horses including PSSM1 and they have not released the type 2 yet for obvious reasons. I laugh when people threaten legal action, I really do. First off, I could say I think all FWF horses are going to make 1D horses and all DTF have long manes and that can just be off assumptions I've made. People can make lists of whatever. The horses that they are tracing back to are long since deceased and sorry to all the breeders out there that have these horses, but they may not be perfect. Now of course my mare along with others ALSO got this disease from a sire or dam and they got it from someone and so on, so it has to be traced back to someone. Kind of like Impressive with HYPP. We have to start somewhere and that means sharing pedigrees, ect.
If you have ever had a PSSM type 2 horse who is highly symptomatic, (like mine, who I haven't ridden in well over a year) and are struggling, this test is something that is extremely helpful. They are not pulling information out of thin air, they are using vets, scholarly articles, other researchers, ect. Dr Vallberg had an emerging theory that high protein was the way to go with these horses and so far, she’s right! Paul and others give us suggestions on things to try (because they know the science behind it and why it SHOULD work) and we try them if we feel necessary. My mare is 6 now and had to end her futurity year because of symptoms, some don’t become symptomatic until age 12 and have already had successful careers. Some aren't symptomatic at all and they want to find out why. Hopefully with the right diet I can ride mine again 
If you’re still with me at this point, I posted this originally because this is exciting times in the science and breeding world. Some may not see it that way, some may see the flaws, some may see it as a blessing. THAT’S OK! You don’t have to agree with everything and you certainly don’t have to test and can wait, I was just posting the answers to questions people had (and I didn't know the answers to) and all of a sudden everyone got in an uproar over things I have no power over. I love horses. I want healthy horses. I want to be able to ride my horse and prevent others from going through what I am with mine. No one is saying you HAVE to believe in the test and no one is saying you are bad horse owners, but it’s 2016 so let’s do what we can! Join the page, check your horses pedigrees, open your minds and LEARN! <3 Sorry for the long post!
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| Anniemae - 2016-07-29 2:34 PM Cheeka77 - thank you for the information and discussion on PSSM2.
You mentioned a stallion’s name that is deceased. That stallion was NEVER tested, so there is no proof that he carried any gene or genetic defect. He may have been a "suspect" carrier of the gene, but where is the proof that he had the gene? There is none. That is where you can get yourself into a whole bunch of legal trouble. If you have any doubt, you should read the published research information on PSSM1, wherein they ONLY use the suspect stallion’s initials, never a name. BTW - that study took over 10 years to complete and be published, complete with testing results. Food for thought....
I am not on Paul's bandwagon, yet. Though, I do commend his effort and research into equine genetics. Personally, I've taken a few backward steps based on his statements, as he has yet to publish his data, testing methods, and all the information obtained to his peers. The reason why a peer review is so important is that an outside body/source (s ), must review his stats and duplicate his testing/results to confirm the findings as accurate.
My understanding is that genetic research and testing takes YEARS to develop and review, to double check, verify accuracy and conduct blind studies. This does not appear to be the case with his research (I could be wrong though ). How can anyone say his "new" findings are accurate and true, if no one outside of his company has had the opportunity to review and validate his testing/methodology and results? I'm just not buying into his spin, and, am not convinced by his responses to the various questions put forth. If you have 100% faith in your testing/results, and you have trademarked your testing methodology, there is no reason NOT to publish the data for peer review. Time will tell, I'm sitting on the fence until this research has been independently verified.
If others want to purchase the genetic test for pre-dis position (not actually having the disease, just the chance to develop the disease ) then so be it. It's their money, and if they've been banging their heads against the wall, trying to find answers, and this gives them comfort, then they can take the chance. I say go for it.
Until I get what I need to feel comfortable and confident in the testing/results, I will stay on fence, watching and waiting.
I posted a long (probably to long LOL) reply below but I love your post in particualr. I understand where you are coming from and it makes sense why you think the way you do! If you read my original post I stated we believe that's the horse it came from and if you join the page, it's not something new, many people suspect him :) It's my understanding they are trademarked and awaiting review (meaning the reviewing is happening, but of course that takes time) but I can't say that for certain! Thank you for explaining your reasoning and not also jumping on the band wagon of being completely against it either! We won't be testing our mares because of money and their offspring that are well into their years are performing and dont't have symptoms but we picked a few prospects we would like to test because of symptoms :) | |
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| Just wanted to point a few things out about this "test".
1. The PSSM2 genetic test is NOT validated nor is it associated with any diseases. It identifies a Single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP). But there are millions snps in the genome that don't have any significant association with anything.
2. There are no publications or disclosed funding sources (except the common public) about this test.
3. The researchers for this test are not veterinarians and they rely on owners' subjective descriptions to accurately phenotype these horses.
4. If my horse has P2 (or any of the other P's), what then? do they recommend diet changes? Do they even disclose that the mutation is in a coding region of the DNA? (Introns vs exons)
5. Are the studies controlled? Do they have a control group of horses that for sure don't have these problems?
6. How do we know this isn't just a scam? Sure the Marketing and PR is great, but I can't find any veterinary support for this. Why aren't they working with a teaching and research university?
Sure there are lots of veterinarians that aren't well educated about muscle diseases, but when the highly educated board certified veterinarians who have dedicated their life to equine health don't show any support... I , as an owner and competitor, become very suspicious.
I would love to know the cause of PSSM2, but need more input to consider spending my money on this PSSM2 genetic test. Anyone? | |
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| Daisy_mae567 - 2018-04-04 10:13 AM
Just wanted to point a few things out about this "test".
1. The PSSM2 genetic test is NOT validated nor is it associated with any diseases. It identifies a Single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP). But there are millions snps in the genome that don't have any significant association with anything.
2. There are no publications or disclosed funding sources (except the common public) about this test.
3. The researchers for this test are not veterinarians and they rely on owners' subjective descriptions to accurately phenotype these horses.
4. If my horse has P2 (or any of the other P's), what then? do they recommend diet changes? Do they even disclose that the mutation is in a coding region of the DNA? (Introns vs exons)
5. Are the studies controlled? Do they have a control group of horses that for sure don't have these problems?
6. How do we know this isn't just a scam? Sure the Marketing and PR is great, but I can't find any veterinary support for this. Why aren't they working with a teaching and research university?
Sure there are lots of veterinarians that aren't well educated about muscle diseases, but when the highly educated board certified veterinarians who have dedicated their life to equine health don't show any support... I , as an owner and competitor, become very suspicious.
I would love to know the cause of PSSM2, but need more input to consider spending my money on this PSSM2 genetic test. Anyone?
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Location: Texas | GLP - 2016-07-29 1:21 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-07-29 11:58 AM
1DSoon - 2016-07-29 10:05 AM
Cur-ost would probably take care if this situaion and you wouldn't have to test for it.
Have you ever dealt with PSSM in ANY form?
I am one of the first to try alternative therapies "if I see any logical way they might be effective". PSSM is a matter of how blood sugars are metabolized in the muscles.... show me how herbs are going to change that, when a simple change in diet can be effective for the PSSM2 horse. By all means, let's spend extra money on supplements.
He was being facetious (? ), like always.
That is not one of the issues that Dr. Schell lists as possibly being helped by his supplements.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Fun2Run - 2018-04-04 12:07 PM
GLP - 2016-07-29 1:21 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-07-29 11:58 AM
1DSoon - 2016-07-29 10:05 AM
Cur-ost would probably take care if this situaion and you wouldn't have to test for it.
Have you ever dealt with PSSM in ANY form?
I am one of the first to try alternative therapies "if I see any logical way they might be effective". PSSM is a matter of how blood sugars are metabolized in the muscles.... show me how herbs are going to change that, when a simple change in diet can be effective for the PSSM2 horse. By all means, let's spend extra money on supplements.
He was being facetious (? ), like always.
That is not one of the issues that Dr. Schell lists as possibly being helped by his supplements.
More like his usual
I don't know who you are calling "him" but your response was outdated(2 years old) and offensive.
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Location: Texas | 1DSoon - 2018-04-04 11:10 AM
Fun2Run - 2018-04-04 12:07 PM
GLP - 2016-07-29 1:21 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-07-29 11:58 AM
1DSoon - 2016-07-29 10:05 AM
Cur-ost would probably take care if this situaion and you wouldn't have to test for it.
Have you ever dealt with PSSM in ANY form?
I am one of the first to try alternative therapies "if I see any logical way they might be effective". PSSM is a matter of how blood sugars are metabolized in the muscles.... show me how herbs are going to change that, when a simple change in diet can be effective for the PSSM2 horse. By all means, let's spend extra money on supplements.
He was being facetious (? ), like always.
That is not one of the issues that Dr. Schell lists as possibly being helped by his supplements.
More like his usual
I don't know who you are calling "him" but your response was outdated (2 years old ) and offensive.
It's tiring reading your negative, sarcastic, passive-aggressive remarks. Sorry to offend, something you don't seem to mind doing. | |
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This was posted on the PSSM Forum on Facebook and I wanted to share it:
“As far as EquiSeq goes. They are a research company. They are currently collaborating with 3 labs and 2 universities to validate the research that they are doing. When they get your horse's hair or blood cards for the paid testing, they send it off to accredited labs to do the testing. They do NOT process those samples in house. So, that means that other labs ARE able to duplicate what they found on the original study.
As far as when they'll publish, originally they thought that PSSM type 2 would just be a gene or two or three. They didn't realise how much of a dumping ground PSSM type 2 had become for every muscle biopsy that looked like it had a glycogen storage issue, but the horse was negative for PSSM type 1. So, they have learned that trying to give a date on when they'll publish, they just can't do it . The thing about the Equiseq testing is that many people wanted to be able to use this tool to help them figure things out and so EquiSeq worked at making it available to the public. They didn't have to do it, but they did.
I can tell you that people testing for these other genes that's on the EquiSeq PSSM type 2 variant gene panel will keep growing and that eventually, it will be as requested as the 5 panel is today.
People can fight it and try to knock those folks that are using it, but it's here to stay just like the 5 panel is here to stay. Too many people are getting answers and horses are being helped.”
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Location: in the ozone | Daisy_mae567 - 2018-04-04 9:13 AM
Just wanted to point a few things out about this "test".
1. The PSSM2 genetic test is NOT validated nor is it associated with any diseases. It identifies a Single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP). But there are millions snps in the genome that don't have any significant association with anything.
2. There are no publications or disclosed funding sources (except the common public) about this test.
3. The researchers for this test are not veterinarians and they rely on owners' subjective descriptions to accurately phenotype these horses.
4. If my horse has P2 (or any of the other P's), what then? do they recommend diet changes? Do they even disclose that the mutation is in a coding region of the DNA? (Introns vs exons)
5. Are the studies controlled? Do they have a control group of horses that for sure don't have these problems?
6. How do we know this isn't just a scam? Sure the Marketing and PR is great, but I can't find any veterinary support for this. Why aren't they working with a teaching and research university?
Sure there are lots of veterinarians that aren't well educated about muscle diseases, but when the highly educated board certified veterinarians who have dedicated their life to equine health don't show any support... I , as an owner and competitor, become very suspicious.
I would love to know the cause of PSSM2, but need more input to consider spending my money on this PSSM2 genetic test. Anyone?
Hmmm, first time posting, just joined. Always wonder about those.
IF you are truly interested in what EquiSeq is all about and what Paul is finding, rather than try to stir up crap on here, WHY don't you contact him directly? To my knowledge, no one on BHW is involved with the company or the research or even qualified to answer questions for him.
And I do believe that Dr Valberg did find some of your answers on the original muscle biopsy research, so maybe ask her? I have not seen anyone twisting anyone's arm to test via DNA - for those that think they want answers, and don't trust EquiSeq, there is the biopsy route, but they have found some incorrect results from that too. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | AMYR - 2018-04-04 2:28 PM
I am curious, do the clones have to do the 5 panel testing? I realize that they are not bound by AQHA.
Unicorns and rocking horses are the only equids that can't have muscle myopathies. Mules, mustangs and any other horse can have them. They are at least 1600 years old. Some say even farther back than that.
People, cattle, dogs, horses, any mammal has mutations. Discovering and being able to avoid these can be a useful tool to breeding better horses. It's going to be a bumpy ride for a while. Come to terms with it.  | |
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AMYR - 2018-04-04 2:28 PM
I am curious, do the clones have to do the 5 panel testing? I realize that they are not bound by AQHA.
Unicorns and rocking horses are the only equids that can't have muscle myopathies. Mules, mustangs and any other horse can have them. They are at least 1600 years old. Some say even farther back than that.
People, cattle, dogs, horses, any mammal has mutations. Discovering and being able to avoid these can be a useful tool to breeding better horses. It's going to be a bumpy ride for a while. Come to terms with it.
I guess I do not understand your comment. Some of the cutting clones are from the 1980's era. I was just wondering if they were going to do any of the testing being discussed. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | AMYR - 2018-04-06 9:22 AM
OregonBR - 2018-04-06 11:11 AM
AMYR - 2018-04-04 2:28 PM
I am curious, do the clones have to do the 5 panel testing? I realize that they are not bound by AQHA.
Unicorns and rocking horses are the only equids that can't have muscle myopathies. Mules, mustangs and any other horse can have them. They are at least 1600 years old. Some say even farther back than that.
People, cattle, dogs, horses, any mammal has mutations. Discovering and being able to avoid these can be a useful tool to breeding better horses. It's going to be a bumpy ride for a while. Come to terms with it.
I guess I do not understand your comment. Some of the cutting clones are from the 1980's era. I was just wondering if they were going to do any of the testing being discussed.
Clones can have the disorders. Owners don't have to test if they don't want to know. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | OregonBR - 2018-04-06 12:25 PM AMYR - 2018-04-06 9:22 AM OregonBR - 2018-04-06 11:11 AM AMYR - 2018-04-04 2:28 PM I am curious, do the clones have to do the 5 panel testing? I realize that they are not bound by AQHA. Unicorns and rocking horses are the only equids that can't have muscle myopathies. Mules, mustangs and any other horse can have them. They are at least 1600 years old. Some say even farther back than that. People, cattle, dogs, horses, any mammal has mutations. Discovering and being able to avoid these can be a useful tool to breeding better horses. It's going to be a bumpy ride for a while. Come to terms with it. I guess I do not understand your comment. Some of the cutting clones are from the 1980's era. I was just wondering if they were going to do any of the testing being discussed. Clones can have the disorders. Owners don't have to test if they don't want to know.
Why so grumpy Oregon?!!! AMYR was asking a simple question, maybe shes new to all this Pssm stuff as most of us are and was just wondering..
Welcome to the board AMYR we're not all Grumpy on here so ask any question and most can help you out.. | |
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