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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Buckles - 2016-09-23 3:34 PM Here are his front shoes, my husband took each nail out individually, then just let the shoe fall of his foot so it was not pulled on to have it twisted like that. His foot matched up with what the shoe looks like, First three I believe was his left front, last picture was his right front This is the set of shoes that were on this horse when you bought him? Poor guy. With the way these shoes look I can see why he would be sore, I would have a super farrier reset him and give him sometime off befor I rode him again and see where hes at from there.
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Location: MN | Palpate his back, my horse had same issue, had him scoped, he was clean, turned out he had Kissing Spine |
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Location: Texas! | I would get a back X-ray to rule out kissing spine. This was my horse's problem he would stiffen and eventually began blowing up being saddled. He is scheduled for surgery Wednesday morning on six places on his spine. |
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| Yes that is the set of shoes that was on him. I took them off and gave him a trim to even him out. His back has been more sore towards his loin now rather than further up his back towards his wither since taking the shoes off him, and the left side of his neck has been sore as well. My farrier will be here tomorrow and I'll have him look at him. I had sent him photos of the shoe and he said if his hoof matched that twisted shoe, he most likely stepped on it when he was shod early on and his hoof grew in the match. Regardless, every single one of his feet were off balance, not terrible, but not something I would have been happy with. He is pigeon toed in the front to begin with, so has some funky front feet. I bought him for a trail horse and for trail challenges, this is not a horse that is going to be running barrels.
With kissing spine, would his spine be painful to palpate as well? He doesn't react to his spine being palpated, just his muscles. If I give him a good rub down/massage he will relax, but it doesn't last too long. He is moving sound, he was out running around like a maniac yesterday playing and sure did not seem to be bothered. |
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| Where would you start if you were in my shoes trying to figure out what was wrong with him... imagine you are struggling to pay your own bills though.... |
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Location: Texas! | Buckles - 2016-09-26 5:49 AM
Yes that is the set of shoes that was on him. I took them off and gave him a trim to even him out. His back has been more sore towards his loin now rather than further up his back towards his wither since taking the shoes off him, and the left side of his neck has been sore as well. My farrier will be here tomorrow and I'll have him look at him. I had sent him photos of the shoe and he said if his hoof matched that twisted shoe, he most likely stepped on it when he was shod early on and his hoof grew in the match. Regardless, every single one of his feet were off balance, not terrible, but not something I would have been happy with. He is pigeon toed in the front to begin with, so has some funky front feet. I bought him for a trail horse and for trail challenges, this is not a horse that is going to be running barrels.
With kissing spine, would his spine be painful to palpate as well? He doesn't react to his spine being palpated, just his muscles. If I give him a good rub down/massage he will relax, but it doesn't last too long. He is moving sound, he was out running around like a maniac yesterday playing and sure did not seem to be bothered.
Mine was extremely muscle sore all the time even hosinghim down he would drop his back. |
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Location: on my horse | Buckles - 2016-09-26 6:44 AM
Where would you start if you were in my shoes trying to figure out what was wrong with him... imagine you are struggling to pay your own bills though....
I feel you girl, honestly I would get a second opinion from a different vet if you are feeling that yours isn't hearing your concerns or providing helpful info and go from there. I'm dealing with my own major equine medical right now and per my vets recommendation we decided to just go ahead and do the specialist exam to rule out any other issues and do as much for as little $$ as possible to get to the bottom of it. His reasoning (which I agree with) is that if you shell out money and money over time to try non invasive treatments while shooting in the dark without a clear or even somewhat clear diagnosis you're spending as much or more money in the end.
End result of my choosing to go the diagnostic route was an actual solution to her lameness and a specific treatment protocol. I was lucky enough to have enough in savings to get that done for her, and our treatment protocol was actually very affordable. If he isn't dying sore and can move fairly comfortably in his pasture there isn't any true harm in letting him chill while you save up the money you need to further pursue a diagnosis. Its not worth putting yourself deep in a hole financially, because when you do find the problem you'll still need to treat it... And if something else were to crop up in the meantime with him, you would want to be able to treat it. In my case my mare colicked ten days later while my vet was out of town and had to go to the equine hospital.
In the meantime, it still wouldn't be a bad idea to get another set of eyes on your tack, even if it's just another knowledgable friend. I know after staring at my own horse's saddle fitting issues last year I was cross eyed numb and thought everything was wrong. A friend of mine that doesn't see my horse all that often was able to point out my problem area right off the bat (giant shoulders that were uneven as well muscularly from poor fitting tack over time) ... I think mostly because she doesn't see her all the time and wasn't obsessing over the problem like I was.
ETA: sorry for the book, not sure it even makes sense! It's hard to watch them be in any kind of discomfort but making sure your bills are paid and you can devote that extra $ or any $ toward diagnostics/ treatment is worth it even if you have to wait a little bit.
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| I really don't think its a tack issue. I am not sure if I said for in another post or not, but I have only had this horse a 5 weeks. When I bought him I didnt have a saddle at all, so I rode him once here in my skito bareback pad for about 20 minutes at a walk. Bought a saddle, tried that one him, fit him everywhere other than the skirts being too long for his back, so again only rode him about 20 minutes at a walk. We trailered out once to trail ride, I rode him in my skito pad, we walked for about an hour at the most. Week later we trailered out again, rode in in my skito pad for about an hour and 45 minutes, again at a walk, I only jogged him a bit when we had a horse fly after us probably 20 feet. That was 3 weeks ago and I haven't ridden him since because he is sore. He never once acted out when I rode him. Never did the girthy thing his owner said he did when you first saddled up (walked stiff legged in front and hump up his back), which I saw him do when I tried him out.
ETA: I am still concerned about pssm as well. He tested n/n for type 1, but has not been tested for the type 2.
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Location: MD | Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-25 10:16 AM Buckles - 2016-09-23 3:34 PM Here are his front shoes, my husband took each nail out individually, then just let the shoe fall of his foot so it was not pulled on to have it twisted like that. His foot matched up with what the shoe looks like, First three I believe was his left front, last picture was his right front This is the set of shoes that were on this horse when you bought him? Poor guy. With the way these shoes look I can see why he would be sore, I would have a super farrier reset him and give him sometime off befor I rode him again and see where hes at from there.
Couldn't they have gotten twisted like that from pulling them off though? |
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| CE's wrapn3 - 2016-09-27 7:41 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-25 10:16 AM Buckles - 2016-09-23 3:34 PM Here are his front shoes, my husband took each nail out individually, then just let the shoe fall of his foot so it was not pulled on to have it twisted like that. His foot matched up with what the shoe looks like, First three I believe was his left front, last picture was his right front This is the set of shoes that were on this horse when you bought him? Poor guy. With the way these shoes look I can see why he would be sore, I would have a super farrier reset him and give him sometime off befor I rode him again and see where hes at from there.
My husband took them off, one nail at a time, didn't pull them like a farrier usually does. And when back up against his foot, the foot was shaped exactly like the shoe looks. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | Is there a person who does massages in your area that can do a session on him? Whenever mine is doing something weird I always call mine out and she can usually put them back together. She lets me know if it was something muscular or if I should probably call out the chiro or the vet. Always great to get a different perspective. |
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| Yes, my farrier does massage therapy as well. He will be here this afternoon. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The way those shoes were bent the horse was not level so to me that made him very body sore, so I would get a good farrier to set him give him some time off and see how he feels. There could be other issues, but I would wait to see how he does with a reset. |
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| I just had another vet here this morning that specializes in chiropractic. She didn't see anything wrong with bone wise, just his muscles are sore on his back. She did a mesotherapy treatment on him. She said he was most likely ridden in a really poorly fitting saddle by his last owner, evident from the muscle atrophy behind his shoulder, she didn't think it was anything that happened here. He needs the weekend off then I can start working him, said trail riding him would probably be the best thing for him, he just needs to work long and slow at a walk only until he builds his back up. Showed me a bunch of exercises to do with him on the ground. So hopefully things will be okay for him!
I need to find myself a saddle for him, one that fits him properly. My cactus I had just bought is still at Cactus saddlery (was sold to me with a busted tree, why I was riding him in a bareback pad). I think I'm just gonna find a trail/all around saddle for now and sell the cactus when it gets back.
ETA: farrier did say being shod like that could have made him a little sore, but he wasn't really that bad that he should have been THAT sore
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Location: Texas! | Buckles - 2016-09-30 1:27 PM
I just had another vet here this morning that specializes in chiropractic. She didn't see anything wrong with bone wise, just his muscles are sore on his back. She did a mesotherapy treatment on him. She said he was most likely ridden in a really poorly fitting saddle by his last owner, evident from the muscle atrophy behind his shoulder, she didn't think it was anything that happened here. He needs the weekend off then I can start working him, said trail riding him would probably be the best thing for him, he just needs to work long and slow at a walk only until he builds his back up. Showed me a bunch of exercises to do with him on the ground. So hopefully things will be okay for him!
I need to find myself a saddle for him, one that fits him properly. My cactus I had just bought is still at Cactus saddlery (was sold to me with a busted tree, why I was riding him in a bareback pad). I think I'm just gonna find a trail/all around saddle for now and sell the cactus when it gets back.
ETA: farrier did say being shod like that could have made him a little sore, but he wasn't really that bad that he should have been THAT sore
This is a lot of what my gelding showed. There was no palpating of the spine soreness just muscles surrounding. I would find a vet with an in clinic X-ray to take spinal rads. Cheap diagnosis to rule out KS. |
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| I guess I was a bit too hopefully with what the vet did, really didn't help him at all. Waited through the weekend like the vet said, was diligent about stretching him. Tuesday he was very very slightly better, got on him for about 20 minutes and walked him around the ring, he seemed fine. Today I was going to ride him again, he acted like he was just as sore as he was last week, got on him against my better judgement took about 4 steps on him and he reared. Vet is coming out again tomorrow, mentioned some other therapies. I don't think I want any other therapies, I just want x-rays. Anybody know what I am looking at cost wise just for x-rays to check for kissing spine? |
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| This horse is still no better. I have no idea what do to. Its been 7 weeks now he has been sore, I have owned him for 9 weeks. I did have x-rays done, they showed a healthy spine with no obvious issues. Had shockwave therapy done on him last week, absolutely no improvement. |
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Location: Deep South | Buckles - 2016-10-25 7:55 AM
This horse is still no better. I have no idea what do to. Its been 7 weeks now he has been sore, I have owned him for 9 weeks. I did have x-rays done, they showed a healthy spine with no obvious issues. Had shockwave therapy done on him last week, absolutely no improvement.
I read all of your responses. I saw where money is an issue. I would turn this horse out until you have the funds to take him to a good reputable lameness vet. I have a local vet I use for all the minor things, vaccinations, lacerations, castrations, etc. But anything that I need a diagnosis on, I haul several hours away to the racetrack or the university depending on what it is. It always ends up saving me money in the long run.
Wherever you're located the BB's can give you some excellent recommendations. |
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