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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jake16 - 2016-09-27 5:54 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 5:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/  i can understand your thoughts.If anything at all,even one little doubt,that i needed in my head to make me feel ok about voting for Trump,It would be Hillary put our lives in danger,it was bad,very very bad,(meant to be funny)She put our military in great danger,she put the lives of our people in benghazi in danger,she knew they were in trouble and she did nothing.Her"what does it matter now?"(yes,she said and meant it)attitude of the men that were lost is what you will get when her smug ways get voted in.If you can honestly say that these things dont matter(im not saying YOU,im talking in general)If you can read of all the people who have disappeared in the clinton circle(murdered,disappeared,found dead ETC) If you heard Hillary say last night,and Im not quoting,cause im sure someone will fact check,lol,that Hillary wants less prisons,and more second chances for criminals,If you believe that a higher percent inheritance tax on what your family has lived to build and pass on to you is ok, If taking money for her clinton foundation from the very countries that have murdered USA folks,and continue to come into our country and murder our Americans is ok to vote for,I can only hope you find peace in your heart at the final countdown.
NONE of this is directed at you,again I say you,as any American that can look themselves in the mirror,after putting her in charge of all of our lives. YES,shes polished,she should be,shes been dirtying the silver for a long time,she should know how to polish it.Im happy to see you posted in a positive and caring way,I sure hope more like you take yet another look at what may possibly happen to ALL OF US>        
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | When the only thing to recommend the potential President comes as a comparison to someone that is obviously hated, it doesn't say a whole lot for his qualifications or plans. I would assume that an individual trying to woo the voters would put forth the ultimate effort, which he obviously did not. | |
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       Location: TEXAS | Now more than ever, I believe we are in the end times. America and the world are about to fall apart at the seams with this election. . | |
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         Location: Where I am happiest | tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/ 
Have you seen Hillary's tax plan? If you make $9,000 to $30,000 a year it's a 15% tax rate. If your $31,000 to $99,000 it's a 25% tax bracket. Thats federal only! Estate tax at 65%. I cant afford her taxes!! Horses will have to go. Just think of the poor single mother or struggling just out of school making $9 or $10,000 a year. Thats less then $1000 a month and she is going to take over $100 a month!! Then we get to pay state tax on top of that. Democrats have never been able to understand the more jobs, the more working the more tax revenue even if your paying less taxes. It also leaves more in the pockets for people to spend elsewhere on goods and services. I'll take Trumps tax reductions any day of the week. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM
tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/ 
Have you seen Hillary's tax plan? If you make $9,000 to $30,000 a year it's a 15% tax rate. If your $31,000 to $99,000 it's a 25% tax bracket. Thats federal only! Estate tax at 65%. I cant afford her taxes!! Horses will have to go. Just think of the poor single mother or struggling just out of school making $9 or $10,000 a year. Thats less then $1000 a month and she is going to take over $100 a month!! Then we get to pay state tax on top of that. Democrats have never been able to understand the more jobs, the more working the more tax revenue even if your paying less taxes. It also leaves more in the pockets for people to spend elsewhere on goods and services. I'll take Trumps tax reductions any day of the week.
Nothing wrong with expecting all you rich folks to pay your fair share.
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/  Have you seen Hillary's tax plan? If you make $9,000 to $30,000 a year it's a 15% tax rate. If your $31,000 to $99,000 it's a 25% tax bracket. Thats federal only! Estate tax at 65%. I cant afford her taxes!! Horses will have to go. Just think of the poor single mother or struggling just out of school making $9 or $10,000 a year. Thats less then $1000 a month and she is going to take over $100 a month!! Then we get to pay state tax on top of that. Democrats have never been able to understand the more jobs, the more working the more tax revenue even if your paying less taxes. It also leaves more in the pockets for people to spend elsewhere on goods and services. I'll take Trumps tax reductions any day of the week. Your statement about taxes fails to take into consideration the personal exemptions, dependent exemptions and standard or itemized deductions, child care credits etc. Makes a considerable difference when calculating taxes. Also you should go and look at the currently existing tax brackets which again are based on taxable income not GROSS income and not much different that what you say Hillary is proposing.
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       Location: Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 3:17 PM I am ill. Literally. Trump choked and Hillary mopped the floor with him. End of story. If he goes into the next one riding on his over inflated ego instead of spending his time taking ALOT of serious debate lessons....we are toast! People should have voted the primaries smarter because now we are stuck with this idiot and we have supreme court justices, our national security, and our soverienty as a nation with our constitution and bill of rights all hanging on someone who just totally blew it last night. I dont care what anybody screams about the moderator or the questions, if he was any form of presidential, he would have handled it anyway and AT LEAST took advantage of the opportunities givin him. She even gave him a merry christmas happy birthday present by stating she has alot of stamina and even withstood 11 hours of congressional hearings and he failed to open that gift. He totally let it slide! YES, lets talk about those 11 hours Hillary!! Uuggghh.
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| SC Wrangler - 2016-09-27 10:01 PM
ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/  Have you seen Hillary's tax plan? If you make $9,000 to $30,000 a year it's a 15% tax rate. If your $31,000 to $99,000 it's a 25% tax bracket. Thats federal only! Estate tax at 65%. I cant afford her taxes!! Horses will have to go. Just think of the poor single mother or struggling just out of school making $9 or $10,000 a year. Thats less then $1000 a month and she is going to take over $100 a month!! Then we get to pay state tax on top of that. Democrats have never been able to understand the more jobs, the more working the more tax revenue even if your paying less taxes. It also leaves more in the pockets for people to spend elsewhere on goods and services. I'll take Trumps tax reductions any day of the week. Your statement about taxes fails to take into consideration the personal exemptions, dependent exemptions and standard or itemized deductions, child care credits etc. Makes a considerable difference when calculating taxes. Also you should go and look at the currently existing tax brackets which again are based on taxable income not GROSS income and not much different that what you say Hillary is proposing.
True Hillary's tax plan isn't much different than the present BUT!! the current tax rate SUCK'S and than we have her 65% death tax just NUT'S. | |
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           Location: Kansas | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/  Have you seen Hillary's tax plan? If you make $9,000 to $30,000 a year it's a 15% tax rate. If your $31,000 to $99,000 it's a 25% tax bracket. Thats federal only! Estate tax at 65%. I cant afford her taxes!! Horses will have to go. Just think of the poor single mother or struggling just out of school making $9 or $10,000 a year. Thats less then $1000 a month and she is going to take over $100 a month!! Then we get to pay state tax on top of that. Democrats have never been able to understand the more jobs, the more working the more tax revenue even if your paying less taxes. It also leaves more in the pockets for people to spend elsewhere on goods and services. I'll take Trumps tax reductions any day of the week.
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    Location: wherever my daughter's running | I watched as much as I could take of it - which was about 15 minutes. :( I'm over 1/2 a century old and I have never felt at such a loss about a presidential election. I go by my voting location everyday and everyday I ask myself what am I going to do. I am a voter - I am a female and the rite for me to be able to vote is not a rite I take lightly. Honestly, and for what it is worth, there is a part of me that really believes Trump is where he is to insure Hillary's walk to the White House. | |
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        Location: Ky | The debates are pretty much useless and they should be. I don't think anyone that's still undecided at this should be allowed to vote. | |
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| I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance.
This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me.
I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel.
What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. | |
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        Location: Ky | OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it.
Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics. | |
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| jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM
OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it.
Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics.
As a moderate republican his politics don't always sit well with me nor does his attitude. But I know I don't want Hillary.
And I know I'm not the only one in that position.
The congressional election outcomes concern me personally more than the presidential outcome, because I think we're screwed in one sense or another on that front. | |
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  Location: The Great Northwest | Some may feel Mr. Trump is not as passionate as they would like but I feel he is passionate with a spine. We don't need to continue with a government like we have had for the last decade. We need to look where that passionate spineless government is taking America. | |
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  Location: The Great Northwest | Bear - 2016-09-26 8:31 PM Any surprises? Trump missed his chance to hit Hillary hard on her email scandal when the issue of cyber security was brought up. I was very surprised. Hillary was on the offense most of the time, but I don't see a clear winner. Nobody scored a knockout punch.
I felt he did a great job on getting back to Crooked Hillary on the emails and Cyber Security. He was very presidential on that matter. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM
OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it.
Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics.
The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton. | |
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        Location: Ky | Bear - 2016-09-28 10:28 AM jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics. The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Your shape shifting just won't hunt. The GOP is racist to the core. That's what trump connected to. He is the face of the GOP. He just says the stuff in public that the rest say in private.
Trump is a democrat politcally. he would have run as a democrat but he knew he couldn't win the nomination. His racist act doesn't play with democrats.
Case in point, my 70 year old father in law is as racist and bigoted as they come. Of course it's in private and around family when he spews his venom. To a black or hispanic in public he is a polite as can be. He has never voted in his life. Never been registered to vote in his life. he registered this year so he can vote for Trump. Trump speaks his language. Not on the economy, foreign policy or anything of substance. He couldn't care less about any of that. he connects with Trump as a fellow racist and bigot. And he is not alone. At a local hole in wall restaruant where he goes fro breakfast every Saturday morning almost everyone in there is in lock step agreement with him. Naturally no blacks or hispanics or asians frequent this place.
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    Location: Some where I haven't left yet | jd&ez - 2016-09-28 8:52 AM Bear - 2016-09-28 10:28 AM jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics. The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton. You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Your shape shifting just won't hunt. The GOP is racist to the core. That's what trump connected to. He is the face of the GOP. He just says the stuff in public that the rest say in private.
Trump is a democrat politcally. he would have run as a democrat but he knew he couldn't win the nomination. His racist act doesn't play with democrats.
Case in point, my 70 year old father in law is as racist and bigoted as they come. Of course it's in private and around family when he spews his venom. To a black or hispanic in public he is a polite as can be. He has never voted in his life. Never been registered to vote in his life. he registered this year so he can vote for Trump. Trump speaks his language. Not on the economy, foreign policy or anything of substance. He couldn't care less about any of that. he connects with Trump as a fellow racist and bigot. And he is not alone. At a local hole in wall restaruant where he goes fro breakfast every Saturday morning almost everyone in there is in lock step agreement with him. Naturally no blacks or hispanics or asians frequent this place.
I have to disagree with you. I fail to see how Trump is racist and bigoted all because your father-in-law is racist and bigoted and now voting Trump. The leaked e-mails from the DNC show me about the character of the Democratic party far more than some hillbilly voting Trump. I consider myself a conservative republican and I personally could care less what color anyone is. The one thing that I have noticed is that the racial divide is being stirred up by the Democrats and far left leaning media. Example Clinton in the 90's speaking of imigration vs Trump Now. The sooner people say "WE ARE AMERICANS" and stop bringing up skin color, the sooner we can unite. Now with the fact that when someone doesn't agree with the current "agenda" they are racist and bigoted. All I can think is REALLY?!? come up with something factual and argue with logic not emotion. Fact if you are in this Country Illegally, then it's "ILLEGAL" for you to be here and I'm not racist for wanting someone to come here LEGALLY! All of this finger pointing that someone is "racist and bigoted" like we are all back in the third grade is beyond immature. There are a bunch of people who need to GROW UP and act like adults. Argue with fact, reason and logic - STOP name calling. I'm against Killary because of a great number of things and all of them have NOTHING to do with the fact she is a woman, and everything to do with her character and what she believes. As a Business owner I can't afford her, and people need to remember "You can not legislate morality". Case in point - murder has been against the law for a LONG time and it still happens. | |
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