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Location: In The Land of Cotton | luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:33 AM 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 11:18 AM luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
I guess my question or statement should have read..... that is unstatainable.... yes I do payroll at my place of employment. I see everyones paycheck. and with the 25% health insurance increase we are taking..... there will be no raises in 2017. 
It is a screw me - I do the payroll here at work too. Amazing that JD says we only pay in for 10 quarters and get Medicare. So, tell me - why dont' "the dems" want tax reform for everyone? Why are we still paying after 10 quarters? To pay for the people who refuse to work - that is why.
Oh and BTW - you can get the SS of the person who you used to be married to - if it was at least 10 years of marraige too. So, all of you who's spouse made more then you - don't get your SS - get the x's if they made more.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2016-10-20 8:32 AM What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live?
I said the same thing on FB last night, about taking a baby early for the health of the mother or baby either one isn't the same thing as abortion, which is killing. Someone I know then privately told me their story. Her unborn baby had a severe case of hydrocephalus and was dying slowly inside her, but if his head got too large before he passed, she wouldn't be able to deliver him vaginally. She had to go to another state to get his birth induced at 27 weeks because the state of AR considered this late term abortion. How does that make sense? In the end, he was dead anyway by the time she got to the clinic in KS for the procedure (which she said did not dismember the baby in any way, just induced labor and was told if her baby had been born alive, he would have been put in the NICU). It turned out to be a genetic abnormality and there was no way he could have lived. She went on to have 3 healthy babies. None of that makes sense to me, isn't abortion about intent? Why are the laws not written that way?
So I haven't changed my position on what's right or wrong, but apparently legal definitions differ from common sense. | |
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| Vickie - 2016-10-20 10:43 AM
Bibliafarm - 2016-10-19 11:31 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 11:15 PM Â Let me get this straight, she wants to take our guns away partly because toddlers have killed themselves with them but she's ok with a 9 month old fetus (baby) being cut apart and suctioned out of the womb??? She is nothing but filth! And I can't imagine why anyone, including Vickie, could support someone who thinks that's perfectly fine. I dare you or anyone that supports that to Google partial birth abortions and watch the videos. If you approve, then the devil must have your soul!! agree !! Â Â
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When you are killing babies, it's not live and let live. If you want live and let live applied to unwanted pregnancies, have the baby and put it up for adoption. I didn't want babies when I was young so I used birth control- it's readily available, use it kids! We had a friend who was raped in college. She kept the baby and loved that baby. She had no other kids. I do realize that she is an exceptional human being, though. I don't have heroes but she is some one I really admire. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 11:48 AM Bear - 2016-10-20 8:32 AM What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live? I said the same thing on FB last night, about taking a baby early for the health of the mother or baby either one isn't the same thing as abortion, which is killing. Someone I know then privately told me their story. Her unborn baby had a severe case of hydrocephalus and was dying slowly inside her, but if his head got too large before he passed, she wouldn't be able to deliver him vaginally. She had to go to another state to get his birth induced at 27 weeks because the state of AR considered this late term abortion. How does that make sense? In the end, he was dead anyway by the time she got to the clinic in KS for the procedure (which she said did not dismember the baby in any way, just induced labor and was told if her baby had been born alive, he would have been put in the NICU). It turned out to be a genetic abnormality and there was no way he could have lived. She went on to have 3 healthy babies. None of that makes sense to me, isn't abortion about intent? Why are the laws not written that way?
So I haven't changed my position on what's right or wrong, but apparently legal definitions differ from common sense.
I had a family member who also had to do the same thing - heart breaking. But, as you mentioned - intent is what Hillary supports. Not something as what you described. Two totally different things.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2016-10-20 9:46 AM
 Hillary kicked his racist, bigoted arse once again. I'm sure he is glad he doesn't have to do another debate.
The GOP had the perfect chance to take the White House this election but instead they nominated this totally inept piece of crap.
Well, he is the face of the alt-right which has taken over the GOP. I understand a reasonable republican being appalled by that face but they didn't step up and stop the takeover.Â
The GOP nominated the one person that can't beat Clinton. And the irony is, even if he had won he is a democrat politically. You want to talk abortions? Trump has always been in favor of abortions. He only says he's not now because he is the GOP nominee.Â
Once this is over he will go back to his original position.Â
The Trump supporters have been played.Â
You crack me up, Mr Yellowdog.
If anyone with half a brain has been following this process they know why Trump has switched his position to pro life. He's explained it many times, and it's completely plausible. You can question the sincerity of his switch, but are you equally willing to acknowledge Hillary's flip flops?
She was opposed to Gay marriage....until she ran for POTUS.
She was a vocal supporter of NAFTA.....until she ran for POTUS.
She was a vocal advocate of the Iraq invasion......until she ran for POTUS.
She was for TPP, calling it "the gold standard"......until she ran for POTUS.
She was strongly against illegal immigration.....until she ran for POTUS.
There's a good reason why Trump cut through 16 of the best the GOP had to offer like a hot knife through butter. He didn't mince words. He spoke his mind. He called it as he saw it. He said a lot of things many people actually thought, including other candidates, but were afraid to say. He called out the political establishment on both sides for their corruption. He was unapologetic about his main thrust to put America first. Even if he loses, he was a hand grenade we needed. | |
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| 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:54 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 11:48 AM Bear - 2016-10-20 8:32 AM What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live? I said the same thing on FB last night, about taking a baby early for the health of the mother or baby either one isn't the same thing as abortion, which is killing. Someone I know then privately told me their story. Her unborn baby had a severe case of hydrocephalus and was dying slowly inside her, but if his head got too large before he passed, she wouldn't be able to deliver him vaginally. She had to go to another state to get his birth induced at 27 weeks because the state of AR considered this late term abortion. How does that make sense? In the end, he was dead anyway by the time she got to the clinic in KS for the procedure (which she said did not dismember the baby in any way, just induced labor and was told if her baby had been born alive, he would have been put in the NICU). It turned out to be a genetic abnormality and there was no way he could have lived. She went on to have 3 healthy babies. None of that makes sense to me, isn't abortion about intent? Why are the laws not written that way?
So I haven't changed my position on what's right or wrong, but apparently legal definitions differ from common sense.
Modern medicine is sometimes a curse.
This, heart breaking situation for your friend. I agree medical issues are different. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 10:48 AM
Bear - 2016-10-20 8:32 AM What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live?
I said the same thing on FB last night, about taking a baby early for the health of the mother or baby either one isn't the same thing as abortion, which is killing. Â Someone I know then privately told me their story. Â Her unborn baby had a severe case of hydrocephalus and was dying slowly inside her, but if his head got too large before he passed, she wouldn't be able to deliver him vaginally. Â She had to go to another state to get his birth induced at 27 weeks because the state of AR considered this late term abortion. Â How does that make sense? Â In the end, he was dead anyway by the time she got to the clinic in KS for the procedure (which she said did not dismember the baby in any way, just induced labor and was told if her baby had been born alive, he would have been put in the NICU). Â It turned out to be a genetic abnormality and there was no way he could have lived. Â She went on to have 3 healthy babies. Â None of that makes sense to me, isn't abortion about intent? Â Why are the laws not written that way?
So I haven't changed my position on what's right or wrong, but apparently legal definitions differ from common sense.
What do you think is the commonest reason for late term abortion? | |
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| jd&ez - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM
TXBO - 2016-10-20 9:52 AM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 9:46 AM Â Hillary kicked his racist, bigoted arse once again. I'm sure he is glad he doesn't have to do another debate.
The GOP had the perfect chance to take the White House this election but instead they nominated this totally inept piece of crap.
Well, he is the face of the alt-right which has taken over the GOP. I understand a reasonable republican being appalled by that face but they didn't step up and stop the takeover.Â
The GOP nominated the one person that can't beat Clinton. And the irony is, even if he had won he is a democrat politically. You want to talk abortions? Trump has always been in favor of abortions. He only says he's not now because he is the GOP nominee.Â
Once this is over he will go back to his original position.Â
The Trump supporters have been played. Other that the stupidity of your first statement, there's actually some truth to the rest of what you state.  Guess there's a first time for everything.Â
Then you are on the rest?
Let that sink in for a minute.
He said that it was a stupid statement, not that YOU are stupid. Big difference.
Everybody SAYS something stupid at some point, but being a typical liberal you abandon ALL logic and make a generalized statement out of a very specific one just to draw your own conclusion.
As for Trump actually being a Democrat, at least that is an improvement over the leading "Democrats" who are actually Socialists, and in general most leading Republicans are Dems in sheep's clothing. | |
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| janjan1 - 2016-10-20 7:00 AM
I didnt watch the debate. I knew that I would get too mad. I am so scared that no matter what anyone does, how many vote, HC will win....not because of the number of votes, but because of fraud. This country will not survive with her, the beginning of the end of what we know now.
I agree with you 100% - she is going to win. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist (but I AM) - I think Trump is right, it IS rigged and I don't believe anybody that says otherwise.... | |
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| Vickie - 2016-10-20 10:43 AM
Bibliafarm - 2016-10-19 11:31 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 11:15 PM Â Let me get this straight, she wants to take our guns away partly because toddlers have killed themselves with them but she's ok with a 9 month old fetus (baby) being cut apart and suctioned out of the womb??? She is nothing but filth! And I can't imagine why anyone, including Vickie, could support someone who thinks that's perfectly fine. I dare you or anyone that supports that to Google partial birth abortions and watch the videos. If you approve, then the devil must have your soul!! agree !! Â Â
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Where is the "Live and let Live" clause in the Constitution ? | |
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| Vickie - 2016-10-20 10:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-10-19 11:31 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 11:15 PM Let me get this straight, she wants to take our guns away partly because toddlers have killed themselves with them but she's ok with a 9 month old fetus (baby) being cut apart and suctioned out of the womb??? She is nothing but filth! And I can't imagine why anyone, including Vickie, could support someone who thinks that's perfectly fine. I dare you or anyone that supports that to Google partial birth abortions and watch the videos. If you approve, then the devil must have your soul!! agree !!
It baffles me that anyone could consider the Constitution important and vote for Hillary. I guess she hasn't attacked the freedoms you hold dear yet......... yet. | |
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Location: OH | TXBO - 2016-10-20 12:13 PM Vickie - 2016-10-20 10:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-10-19 11:31 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 11:15 PM Let me get this straight, she wants to take our guns away partly because toddlers have killed themselves with them but she's ok with a 9 month old fetus (baby) being cut apart and suctioned out of the womb??? She is nothing but filth! And I can't imagine why anyone, including Vickie, could support someone who thinks that's perfectly fine. I dare you or anyone that supports that to Google partial birth abortions and watch the videos. If you approve, then the devil must have your soul!! agree !!
If you notice---two debates in a row the subject of the Justices came up and when discussing how she would choose one, the obeying the Constitution was never mentioned and she actually dodged it completely last night when asked. | |
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| Mighty Broke - 2016-10-20 11:23 AM TXBO - 2016-10-20 12:13 PM Vickie - 2016-10-20 10:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-10-19 11:31 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 11:15 PM Let me get this straight, she wants to take our guns away partly because toddlers have killed themselves with them but she's ok with a 9 month old fetus (baby) being cut apart and suctioned out of the womb??? She is nothing but filth! And I can't imagine why anyone, including Vickie, could support someone who thinks that's perfectly fine. I dare you or anyone that supports that to Google partial birth abortions and watch the videos. If you approve, then the devil must have your soul!! agree !!
She also gave some ridiculous answers with no truth to them at all.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/19/no-hillary-clinton-supreme-courts-heller-decision-wasnt-toddlers/ | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2016-10-20 11:04 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 10:48 AM Bear - 2016-10-20 8:32 AM What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live? I said the same thing on FB last night, about taking a baby early for the health of the mother or baby either one isn't the same thing as abortion, which is killing. Someone I know then privately told me their story. Her unborn baby had a severe case of hydrocephalus and was dying slowly inside her, but if his head got too large before he passed, she wouldn't be able to deliver him vaginally. She had to go to another state to get his birth induced at 27 weeks because the state of AR considered this late term abortion. How does that make sense? In the end, he was dead anyway by the time she got to the clinic in KS for the procedure (which she said did not dismember the baby in any way, just induced labor and was told if her baby had been born alive, he would have been put in the NICU). It turned out to be a genetic abnormality and there was no way he could have lived. She went on to have 3 healthy babies. None of that makes sense to me, isn't abortion about intent? Why are the laws not written that way?
So I haven't changed my position on what's right or wrong, but apparently legal definitions differ from common sense. What do you think is the commonest reason for late term abortion?
Are we defining abortion as inducing birth early or murdering a baby? | |
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Location: SE KS | 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM
luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country?  how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
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Yes, I have looked at my paycheck & it makes me sick all the money that comes out!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| lhighquality - 2016-10-20 11:46 AM
3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM
luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country?  how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
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Yes, I have looked at my paycheck & it makes me sick all the money that comes out!!!!!!!!!!!
How many good paying jobs do you think could be created in America if companies didn't have to give 40% of earning to the government in taxes? | |
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Location: Harrisonville, Missouri | Late term abortions are done in 1% of the cases. They are done after 20 weeks because that is when genetic anomalies are identified. There are 3 clinics in the U.S. that perform them. They are risky and expensive. The doctors that perform them do so at great risk. Remember Dr. Tiller from Wichita. He was killed because he performed them. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2016-10-20 11:52 AM lhighquality - 2016-10-20 11:46 AM 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
Yes, I have looked at my paycheck & it makes me sick all the money that comes out!!!!!!!!!!! How many good paying jobs do you think could be created in America if companies didn't have to give 40% of earning to the government in taxes?
More money to invest in equipment and infrastructure upgrades, expansion of the business, more employees and/or paying the ones you have better...just think how great that would be for the economy. In turn raising individual earnings and increasing tax revenue. Makes perfect sense to me. | |
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Location: OH | TXBO - 2016-10-20 12:52 PM lhighquality - 2016-10-20 11:46 AM 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
Yes, I have looked at my paycheck & it makes me sick all the money that comes out!!!!!!!!!!! How many good paying jobs do you think could be created in America if companies didn't have to give 40% of earning to the government in taxes?
Do people on the Left not understand the difference between Corporate and Individual taxes ??????????? | |
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Location: Harrisonville, Missouri | On the issue of health care premium costs, you can complain about Obamacare or the ACA all you want to, but it has helped a lot of folks get insurance and health care. If you want to point fingers at someone about the cost of it, point to your health insurance provider and probably to a greater degree, the pharmaceutical companies. When was the last time one of them posted a loss? When a pill cost $5, 5 years ago, but now costs $15, that is the pharmaceutical company. From cancer drugs to epi pens, big pharma is primarily to blame. | |
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