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Location: OH | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 4:26 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why?
Websters describes Euphoria as: an intense state of happiness or excitement. Reaction time isn't a variable. If anything it's heightened.
Very well could be. I have heard of people on Heroin, which this is compared to but stronger and I doubt their reaction times are the best. LOL |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM
Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why?
It sounds to me that the unique property of this drug is "increased locomotor activity". It that's true, I would think their reaction time is enhanced. That's what I think would make this drug particularly attractive in barrel racing. People who have received an opiate narcotic have slowed reaction times, but it sounds like the reverse is true in horses.....hence the term, "paradoxical".
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Location: OH | Bear - 2017-01-16 4:31 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why? It sounds to me that the unique property of this drug is "increased locomotor activity". It that's true, I would think their reaction time is enhanced. That's what I think would make this drug particularly attractive in barrel racing. People who have received an opiate narcotic have slowed reaction times, but it sounds like the reverse is true in horses.....hence the term, "paradoxical".
Quit using all your big doctor words. LOL. Very well could be true---then we are back to square one---it is cheating and the horse WILL suffer. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:29 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 4:26 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why?
Websters describes Euphoria as: an intense state of happiness or excitement. Reaction time isn't a variable. If anything it's heightened.
LOL
Bear stated it has reverse effects on animals. For people it is a "downer" if you will. For horses it is an "upper".  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2017-01-16 3:31 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why? It sounds to me that the unique property of this drug is "increased locomotor activity". It that's true, I would think their reaction time is enhanced. That's what I think would make this drug particularly attractive in barrel racing. People who have received an opiate narcotic have slowed reaction times, but it sounds like the reverse is true in horses.....hence the term, "paradoxical".
That's my understanding from googling. Lol
SO for those just tuning in:
Yes it has the properties of Morphine and other Narcotics. No it does not have the same effect on horses like it does people. in fact, it's opposite. Instead of making one calm it gives the horse the feeling of Euphoria. Otherwise defined as an intense state of happiness and excitement. Therefore making the reaction time to the rider quicker and allowing the horse to run through pain and other physical obstacles.
I am curious what the lasting effects of horses are who are exposed to this type of lifestyle. Do they have withdrawls? What are the symptoms? Do they breakdown faster? (I would think so.) And is it noticeable on the ground or just when running a horse? Does one notice something off about the horse?
I would like to think that no one cheats but after learning this exists I can't be so sure anymore. I'd really like to know what to look for so I can report if I see anything. But I don't know what to look for. I feel like I would look petty if I turned a girl in for being "fast" LOL |
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| rodeoveteran - 2017-01-16 3:28 PM
I had never heard of it.. I am continually astounded by the lengths some people will go to to win. Sometimes it is the people many admire. I have been told that I do not have what it takes to be at the top. If THAT is what it takes, then I guess I don't. I will take being RESPECTED as a horseman and take pride tat I have not ruined any along the way.
Walking way and shaking my head.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 3:44 PM
Bear - 2017-01-16 3:31 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why? It sounds to me that the unique property of this drug is "increased locomotor activity". It that's true, I would think their reaction time is enhanced. That's what I think would make this drug particularly attractive in barrel racing. People who have received an opiate narcotic have slowed reaction times, but it sounds like the reverse is true in horses.....hence the term, "paradoxical".
SO for those just tuning in:
Yes it has the properties of Morphine and other Narcotics. No it does not have the same effect on horses like it does people. in fact, it's opposite. Instead of making one calm it gives the horse the feeling of Euphoria. Otherwise defined as an intense state of happiness and excitement. Therefore making the reaction time to the rider quicker and allowing the horse to run through pain and other physical obstacles.
I am curious what the lasting effects of horses are who are exposed to this type of lifestyle. Do they have withdrawls? What are the symptoms? Do they breakdown faster? (I would think so.) And is it noticeable on the ground or just when running a horse? Does one notice something off about the horse?
I would like to think that no one cheats but after learning this exists I can't be so sure anymore. I'd really like to know what to look for so I can report if I see anything. But I don't know what to look for. I feel like I would look petty if I turned a girl in for being "fast" LOL
It's tough to prove without actually testing. People inject all sorts of perfectly legal things like Adequan and Legend and Banamine.
Random testing and consequences for a dirty test seems to be the only viable approach. |
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Location: OH | Bear - 2017-01-16 4:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 3:44 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 3:31 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why? It sounds to me that the unique property of this drug is "increased locomotor activity". It that's true, I would think their reaction time is enhanced. That's what I think would make this drug particularly attractive in barrel racing. People who have received an opiate narcotic have slowed reaction times, but it sounds like the reverse is true in horses.....hence the term, "paradoxical".
SO for those just tuning in:
Yes it has the properties of Morphine and other Narcotics. No it does not have the same effect on horses like it does people. in fact, it's opposite. Instead of making one calm it gives the horse the feeling of Euphoria. Otherwise defined as an intense state of happiness and excitement. Therefore making the reaction time to the rider quicker and allowing the horse to run through pain and other physical obstacles.
I am curious what the lasting effects of horses are who are exposed to this type of lifestyle. Do they have withdrawls? What are the symptoms? Do they breakdown faster? (I would think so.) And is it noticeable on the ground or just when running a horse? Does one notice something off about the horse?
I would like to think that no one cheats but after learning this exists I can't be so sure anymore. I'd really like to know what to look for so I can report if I see anything. But I don't know what to look for. I feel like I would look petty if I turned a girl in for being "fast" LOL It's tough to prove without actually testing. People inject all sorts of perfectly legal things like Adequan and Legend and Banamine. Random testing and consequences for a dirty test seems to be the only viable approach.
Yep---people talk drugs and they do not realize that in the racing world---Ace is illegal, it is used so common in barrel racing people do not think about it. Clenbutoral also--ILLEGAL. |
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Location: SE KS | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 3:26 PM
Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why?
Websters describes Euphoria as: an intense state of happiness or excitement. Reaction time isn't a variable. If anything it's heightened.
Sounds like maybe it would cause "focus" issues for the horse if it causes a heightened sense of excitement Maybe? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | lhighquality - 2017-01-16 3:59 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 3:26 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why?
Websters describes Euphoria as: an intense state of happiness or excitement. Reaction time isn't a variable. If anything it's heightened. Sounds like maybe it would cause "focus" issues for the horse if it causes a heightened sense of excitement Maybe?
I think it would be possible to cause the lack of focus. Then again, race horses need to focus as well.... |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2017-01-16 3:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 3:44 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 3:31 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why? It sounds to me that the unique property of this drug is "increased locomotor activity". It that's true, I would think their reaction time is enhanced. That's what I think would make this drug particularly attractive in barrel racing. People who have received an opiate narcotic have slowed reaction times, but it sounds like the reverse is true in horses.....hence the term, "paradoxical".
SO for those just tuning in:
Yes it has the properties of Morphine and other Narcotics. No it does not have the same effect on horses like it does people. in fact, it's opposite. Instead of making one calm it gives the horse the feeling of Euphoria. Otherwise defined as an intense state of happiness and excitement. Therefore making the reaction time to the rider quicker and allowing the horse to run through pain and other physical obstacles.
I am curious what the lasting effects of horses are who are exposed to this type of lifestyle. Do they have withdrawls? What are the symptoms? Do they breakdown faster? (I would think so.) And is it noticeable on the ground or just when running a horse? Does one notice something off about the horse?
I would like to think that no one cheats but after learning this exists I can't be so sure anymore. I'd really like to know what to look for so I can report if I see anything. But I don't know what to look for. I feel like I would look petty if I turned a girl in for being "fast" LOL It's tough to prove without actually testing. People inject all sorts of perfectly legal things like Adequan and Legend and Banamine. Random testing and consequences for a dirty test seems to be the only viable approach.
Very interesting topic Bear.
I'm not familiar with perfectly legal drugs or how they are misused either. I know Adequan is for joints and Banamine is for pain. I'm not familiar with Legend?
Are these products misused as well in barrel horses? I mean, I guess it's possible to inject Banamine and then run if your horse is sore. They wouldn't feel the pain... But I feel Like that would only cause more problems for the horse. If not make them deteriorate faster.
People genuinely don't care for their horses well being or longevity when they do this, do they? I would think people cared for their horses more than that...  |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Heard of it years ago....even have suspicions of who uses it up here....m |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 4:08 PM
Bear - 2017-01-16 3:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 3:44 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 3:31 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why? It sounds to me that the unique property of this drug is "increased locomotor activity". It that's true, I would think their reaction time is enhanced. That's what I think would make this drug particularly attractive in barrel racing. People who have received an opiate narcotic have slowed reaction times, but it sounds like the reverse is true in horses.....hence the term, "paradoxical".
SO for those just tuning in:
Yes it has the properties of Morphine and other Narcotics. No it does not have the same effect on horses like it does people. in fact, it's opposite. Instead of making one calm it gives the horse the feeling of Euphoria. Otherwise defined as an intense state of happiness and excitement. Therefore making the reaction time to the rider quicker and allowing the horse to run through pain and other physical obstacles.
I am curious what the lasting effects of horses are who are exposed to this type of lifestyle. Do they have withdrawls? What are the symptoms? Do they breakdown faster? (I would think so.) And is it noticeable on the ground or just when running a horse? Does one notice something off about the horse?
I would like to think that no one cheats but after learning this exists I can't be so sure anymore. I'd really like to know what to look for so I can report if I see anything. But I don't know what to look for. I feel like I would look petty if I turned a girl in for being "fast" LOL It's tough to prove without actually testing. People inject all sorts of perfectly legal things like Adequan and Legend and Banamine. Random testing and consequences for a dirty test seems to be the only viable approach.
I'm not familiar with perfectly legal drugs or how they are misused either. I know Adequan is for joints and Banamine is for pain. I'm not familiar with Legend?
Are these products misused as well in barrel horses? I mean, I guess it's possible to inject Banamine and then run if your horse is sore. They wouldn't feel the pain... But I feel Like that would only cause more problems for the horse. If not make them deteriorate faster.
People genuinely don't care for their horses well being or longevity when they do this, do they? I would think people cared for their horses more than that...
There's no comparison between something like Banamine versus an opiate for pain relief. The euphoria is a big reason.
The root meaning of "morphine" is derived from Greek mythology, where "Morpheus" was the "God of dreams." |
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Location: OH | I always thought that Banamine was euphoric also, an I wrong ? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 5:29 PM
I always thought that Banamine was euphoric also, an I wrong ?
Banamine is an NSAID like ibuprofen. NSAIDS don't cause euphoria. |
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| Yes, I've known about it for a few years. Yes, it's a problem. I have no doubt some barrel racers (mainly in the futurity industry) use it. I know they randomly test at Calgary. Beyond that you don't see rodeo's test very often. I don't think you could get away with using it a lot on a rodeo horse. But in the futurity world....certain trainers view those horses as being a disposable commodity. Who cares if you go through 50 head to find one that's good? Especially with how those slots races pay out now. It's been going on as long as I can remember. Look at the whole fiasco at the BFA in, I believe it was '95?? When the well known trainer shot the horse up with something, was overheard saying it would either kill it or make it win and it killed it. Might add two dear friends of mine witnessed the entire thing, went to help and were told there was no point and to go away. |
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| Futurity horses should be tested - period. |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-01-16 1:20 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-01-16 1:57 PM mreklaw - 2017-01-16 11:56 AM Nevertooold - 2017-01-16 11:49 AM Most barrel racers I know use calmatives. Not something to make them run faster. Racehorses don't have to turn 3 barrels. Go to some of the big futurities and it will make u wonder! I've heard of many different kinds of drugs including that one that has been given to horses running for a lot of money! what does it make you wonder about?
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| I think I need to start using this. My horse would surely enjoy it and I think I could definitely improve my time. Any little thing to help. Maybe I can find someone to drive home. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 2:51 PM
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IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 1:52 PM
mreklaw - 2017-01-16 1:24 PM Why post this and give idiots ideas?
And hey, maybe the ones who do purchase will get caught and we can weed out our competition. LOL 
Ignorance is bliss.
That's why I posted in the first place....to get an idea of how many people even know what it is, and whether they think the stuff is being used in barrel racing. It's talked about. Rumors are not new. If the stuff is readily available, and it has these desirable effects, and no effort is being made to test for them or ferret the cheaters out, are we supposed to just convince ourselves that people who barrel race are all honest and good and decent?
Practically everyone knew about the Mafia by the time the FBI was forced into recognizing they actually existed, some 60 years after their inception in the U.S. Even the FBI didn't want to deal with the truth.....partly out of fear.
My point exactly. Thank you for the knowledge of knowing it exists. Now to Google I go to read up on this stuff. Scary world we live in. It seems people will do anything to win...
What are the lasting effects on the horses that are exposed to this drug Bear? Are there any side effects when a horse is coming back down from the so called high?
Ignorance is bliss for the horses that belong to the fools that are going to use this or whatever new drug that is being used to cheat. And just how are you people going to determine who's horse is in a state of "euphoria "? What symptoms are you now going to be able to pick up on since reading this? Yes there are plenty of people already doing this to their horses and now there will be more thanks to you posting it. I can just see their greedy little fingers typing in their search engine to find more info. There are a lot of naive people on here if you don't think some people are doing everything possible to win. |
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