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| want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 2:04 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-02-09 1:14 PM I agree with the above. I bought a 5 year old last April that was very patterned but did not know how to lope a circle, flex, etc. No foundation work was done at all. He has a huge personality, in your pocket, sweet, sweet, sweet so I bought him despite his lack of training. I immediately sent him to my trainer for a few months to get the necessary work done on him and boy did he get ****y! He loves running barrels so he is a happy camper there but ask him to flex or do a drill that makes him collect and use himself and he would pin his ears and go backwards, he had never been asked to really work at anything and he did not like it one bit. He came home with a different attitude and all the foundation work done but still my fun loving goof ball. I would not give up on the colt, with the trainers guidance what a great opportunity to learn.
My three girls all high school rodeoed, bought the 13 year old a horse that although when trying him they seemed to click but it went downhill quick. He was gougeous and flawless at home but high strung when you entered. We had the conversation that if she wanted to compete she's going to have to sell him and we would keep looking. My 14-year-old who had never been on him, said she wanted to try him and she would trade horses if she liked him. She was sitting at the top in her division and I told her she could do that but that meant she wouldn't be able to compete hard because the horse wasn't mentally ready for the arena, she said she didn't care she wanted to get on him. She made a flawless run at home, turned that third barrel and she had a smile from ear to ear and I knew it was a done deal. I emphasized again that she was giving up winning and she said she didn't care she was willing to wait on him. They switched horses, the 13 year old started winning again while the 14 year old took it slow and easy. She learned so much from working with that horse and I was proud of her that for her it wasn't just about winning. Sounds like your daughter might feel the same way. Wow and there was no jealousy between your daughters? My goodness that's impressive! I've got a 16 yr old step daughter who doesn't technically have a horse right now, she doesn't live with us full time... but if I even suggested to my daughter to let her "sister" ride him instead because she's got way more experience and time in the saddle, I'd be in the middle of a $hit storm! I'm short a horse though..
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| There's also a huge part of me that feels bad because we've never been able to buy this kid a really nice finished competitive horse... I mean, I'd have never ever bought her this colt, #1 because he's a colt, #2 we probably wouldnt have ever been able to afford him otherwise! I'm really hoping he comes around and is a superstar for her... she has huge plans for him. The horse she's been riding is a rescue horse we saved several years ago, tied to tree starving to death... we brought him back up to health, she worked with him and patterned him and went to a few races... he's just not a barrel horse lol! He has no interest in it whatsoever and he's getting up in age. There's some saddle and buckle series shows coming up soon out here and majority of her friends from school are pretty competitive and she wants to be part of it so bad. She understands it's not going to happen this year. |
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| I didn't read through everyone's responses but my dad had a mare he raised from a baby that was really nice. He started her and then He sent her off to a friend of his to put some riding on and start tracking some steers. A few days later he called and said that he saddled her and she flipped in the barn alley. My dad went and picked her up and brought her home and re-started her. He has owned her for about 17 years now and she has never made a wrong move. She runs barrels and poles, heads, heels, and my daughter breakaway ropes on her. Sometimes something sets them off and they have a bad episode. Even in reputable hands. I certainly wouldn't bring her home and let your daughter work with him but you may want to bring him home, give him a break and then start over or send him to someone else to see what they can do with him.
But the younger the rider, the older the horse, so you may want to go with a finished horse for her whether you keep him or not.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | A good friend of mine got a little horse for her daughter and as long as he was not saddled and either had no bridle or just a halter on he was awesome for her. She could crawl up the fence and he would come over. She'd hop on him bareback no halter and he'd meander around the large pen with her. She was 5 I think when they got him...however, put a saddle on him and give him the opportunity, ie, not being ponied or led on foot and the little turd would either balk and refuse to move or look for an open gate to run towards. Perfect gentleman with her as long as what they were doing was his idea.
I second maybe giving this trainer a few more weeks, checking in physically and seeing if maybe its a issue with just not being a good fit and then making a decision on whether a different trainer could help. CC was a bit like what you are talking about with your daughter's horse. She was good to start right up to the time I actually kind of started to really ask her for a few things and typically this happened at about the 30 minute mark. Her ADHD would set in, she was done "listening and doing" what I wanted and she'd try to bolt, if she couldn't bolt then she would break in two. First horse I've ever had to send out but she definitely needed something I didn't have...NFR bronc riding skills and patience I guess.
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| Really grateful for all the input and advice, thank ya'll so much. Greatly appreciated |
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| LMS - 2017-02-09 11:02 AM hmm here's the old school chiming in......I broke and trained my first 3 yr old when I was 12-took him to college with me AND he was an orphan I hand raised-turned out to be a bada$$ too......AND I still don't mind riding colts-taught me a lot-mostly that I really don't trust what too many other people do with their horses. Maybe now is the time for your "kid" to become a horsewoman! With some gentle guidance and probably some trips with trusted friends (of yours ) that will help her learn.
Kinsey was very young when she broke Nutsy. I will have to pop on YouTube and search...be back later. He handles as good as any fancy colt breakers started. |
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| She was the only one to ride him at this point. He also worked livestock for a living during this time. Sadly due to a suspensory issue he did not compete at the level we had hoped. He lost an eye last year and was still reserve champion in our local novice class...and they went to the minimum amount of races.
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| Get a different trainer, that one isn't working for that horse |
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| kmcsunshine - 2017-02-09 7:25 PM
 She was the only one to ride him at this point.  He also worked livestock for a living during this time.  Sadly due to a suspensory issue he did not compete at the level we had hoped.  He lost an eye last year and was still reserve champion in our local novice class...and they went to the minimum amount of races.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl4nP9nL3mA
That's awesome! I have a video of my daughter jogging, on foot, thru the barrel pattern and her colt trotting right behind her without a halter and leadrope.. he followed right behind her the entire time lol! I loved your video! |
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| From what you say; your trainer sounds competent, and your daughters sounds like she is in love. I wouldn't even think negatively about it until the horse has had a good chance. Everyone loves a good story and sometimes we need a little faith to have a happy ending. |
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Location: Arkansas | kmcsunshine - 2017-02-09 7:25 PM
 She was the only one to ride him at this point.  He also worked livestock for a living during this time.  Sadly due to a suspensory issue he did not compete at the level we had hoped.  He lost an eye last year and was still reserve champion in our local novice class...and they went to the minimum amount of races.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl4nP9nL3mA
That video is my dream as a little girl--in a nutshell. Awesome |
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| He may be adapting to the loss of his eye, was 2nd in the 2D last night with legitimate 1D horses.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BQVOUOYFULr/
First run since August.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Kaye - 2017-02-10 7:28 PM
From what you say; your trainer sounds competent, and your daughters sounds like she is in love. I wouldn't even think negatively about it until the horse has had a good chance. Everyone loves a good story and sometimes we need a little faith to have a happy ending.
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| run n rate - 2017-02-10 9:56 AM
Kaye - 2017-02-10 7:28 PM
From what you say; your trainer sounds competent, and your daughters sounds like she is in love. I wouldn't even think negatively about it until the horse has had a good chance. Everyone loves a good story and sometimes we need a little faith to have a happy ending.
Ain't that the truth!!!
Agreed 100%! Going to stop by and check in on him today |
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-02-10 10:04 AM
run n rate - 2017-02-10 9:56 AM
Kaye - 2017-02-10 7:28 PM
From what you say; your trainer sounds competent, and your daughters sounds like she is in love. I wouldn't even think negatively about it until the horse has had a good chance. Everyone loves a good story and sometimes we need a little faith to have a happy ending.
Ain't that the truth!!!
Agreed 100%! Going to stop by and check in on him today
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| We did drop by. He said he was getting "better"..he hasn't stepped back on him yet... has been mostly ground driving him trying to make sure he can get ahold of his face and turn him easily when he decides he's had enough and tries to bolt and buck because he's not getting his way. Doesn't want this horse to learn that he can buck off his rider. He said he'll get it soon he's made improvements. But seems like any little nit picking and he wants to blow up. He also voiced his opinion that he thinks this colt is very very smart and with his breeding he's going to need some serious jobs, will never make a laid back pasture/trail horse.. meaning you couldn't leave him sit for a few weeks or months and jump on and expect him to be calm and easy. He also said he's kind of aggressive which completely blows my mind... but I guess I only witnessed him here at home when he wasn't being trained on.
He's going to stay there for 60 days, as of now that's our plan and what we can afford, reevaluate... and then let him come home for a few months and let my daughter work with him, she will be learning from our trainer what to do etc etc. . Then we are thinking on sending him down the road to another trainer we know, he's a big cutting trainer... this colt is all cutting bred. This is all up in the air right now... all depending on how the next few months go with him. |
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| Haven't read any replies but have her take lessons with the horse and her be the rider! Awesome they have such a great bond |
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| I have some pictures but I can't figure out how to post them on here |
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| A few from when he was first brought up from the pasture with the others. Just a few days in being handled he took right to it with her.
Whoops, can't get them to post ... too big
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Â how is he bred? Sounds like a Duel Pep...
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