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Location: NE Texas | moeman17 - 2017-02-11 5:46 PM
People, please help me better understand what that means. I have one for sale and had someone come out and try her, loved everything about her till it came to her paper's.Am i behind on understanding bloodlines? So i need your help to find the junk in her pedigree.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/six+by+six
Sometimes people are not so smart. I'm starting to prefer paints just b/c their price point is better!! lol
Me likey her papers a lot! |
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Location: Running my kids somewhere. | sam.kappen - 2017-02-13 1:19 PM I have this guy for sale been for sale for a while bred pretty while I think but I cant get no hits on him.. He is pretty working a great pattern husbnad has started riding him t hrough the pastures checking heifers on him.. But I get teh same excuses he is a paint and has to much white...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jungle+paint
I hear the same thing. The only difference between them is; one shows the dirt more than the other.
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Location: Wherever the Army sends my husband | RockinGR - 2017-02-13 11:41 AM
You should try selling something with ApHC papers....
Appaloosas allow regular registry for foals that are the result of out crossing to Arabians. That is a huge turn off for me. While I do believe there are good and bad horses in every breed, I buy stock horses. An Appaloosa used to be a stock horse but not if the are crossed with Arabs. That's a pleasure horse, not stock.
Appendix papers aren't much better...
This can be true but if you show your appendix horse and get a ROM then you get regular papers. Or if they run in the track and get a SI of 80 or higher.
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| I really like her bloodlines! I have several paints in my barn. Doesn't bother me a bit! Sorry some people are ridiculous!! |
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| If they were responsible shoppers they would have looked at the pedigree (which I happen to find nice) BEFORE wasting your time. |
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| What I don't get is that the market hasn't changed much since the OP either bought or bred for this horse. Therefore KNEW that the resale on Paints is not as good as an AQHA registered horse, so why be surprised/disappointed now?
Just sayin' because last year I took advantage of the same market and bought an App at 1/2 the price of the paint that my friend bought. I know that but I didn't buy him to sell and I for one, don't ride the papers. My budget was limited so I got the best bang for my buck and I won't whine when/IF I ever sell him. That being said, I have been shocked because at every rodeo I have hauled him to (an unfinished horse that apparently had never seen cows in his life, let alone all the hubbub that goes on at a rodeo and acted accordingly) at least one person asked me to price him. He is starting to run a nice pattern now, and shutting the clock off faster and faster. If he makes the rodeo horse I have hoped and prayed for it is going to take a big chunk of change to pry him out of my hands App or no.
As hubby is fond of saying, there is a big difference in being willing to sell something and HAVING to sell something.
To the OP, I feel your pain, it should NOT make a difference but it always has....try selling a really nice Cremellow gelding BEFORE the AQHA admitted them to the registry. I was astounded at how many people lost interest after hearing/seeing what color he was, accomplishments not withstanding.
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| Samantha Lyne ran a paint named Jimmy Choo at the NFR in 2014 and got some go-round money. Here's his pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mor+jazz
I would have no problem with a Paint horse if he fit my style! Sought-after pedigree or not. The OP's filly has a really nice set of papers. |
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| Honestly not putting you down at all because I really like the mare but she is a tad over priced IMO.
I think that was the elephant in the room and i'm just going to say it.
I really like her though and I'd offer you $7500 and not a penny more if I had it!
BUT horses are what people are willing to pay and you might have the right buyer come along and snatch her up....just my opinion. |
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Location: Glendive Mt. | So where is she advertised ? |
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Location: OH. IO | giddyuplpn - 2017-02-13 10:02 PM
So where is she advertised ?
She's on here in the state of Illinois.She is nice,but I too think she is over priced,and not because she is a paint. |
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| i know she's gonna be something special, as far as being overpriced i can't comment on that, because i'm not sure what the markets says a horse at her level is worth. if you guy have any example what a horse at her stage is worth please post info links. thanks in advance.
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| Maybe one of the problems on this mare is that she is a solid paint. I looked at the ad. She is attractive, looks athletic and cruises a nice set of barrels. I like her - but my first thought was "oh she's solid". I'm definitely no geneticist - so this is just my thinking - but I always look at mares as potential broodmares. I'd want color to increase my chances of getting color. That could be my ignorance about paint genetics. Conformation is ALWAYS my first concern - but I'd be looking for color too. Is a colored paint easier to sell than a solid one? If I was running barrels on it, I could care less if it was solid pink or just had pink spots!
My second thought was to question the price. she is just cruising a pattern and seems to be reasonably broke - so no record to judge the price by. I'm a broke tightwad that has to try to raise quality because I can't afford to buy it. But she looks nice- and I'd have to feel her and judge her ability to be able to say what I thought she was worth. She might really be a diamond and worth more. Pricing is so hard. Hope you get a price you are happy with - I swear drugs have to be a cheaper habit! |
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| Any bad habit would be cheaper then this horse thing, lol.
As far as being spotted or not, i don't think it's makes much difference the label paint kills their value anyways. I just pretty much gave my bay tobiano gelding away, the girl that got him loves him so i guess that's a positive. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I would suggest a rewrite of the horses description. Not being mean but I had to force myself through the entire paragraph after the first run-on sentence and cringed at the poor grammer.
I would leave the parts of her walking along the road out, as well as the parts about you not be a professional. Instead simply state that she is laid back and a willing student. I would add some information on her training and if she has been to any exhibitions/races/etc. I would add if she has any troubles with shoeing/saddling/standing tied/ or if she has any teeth problems or health problems. I would add that vet checks are welcome and would leave the part out about you knowing she's a paint and that you won't be negotiated on price. Simply put instead, Paint papers. Price slightly negotiable to right home. If you plan to continue her training that needs to be added to the ad description. I would get photos of her unsaddled and standing square to show her conformation. Get a halter that fits her good and compliments her color. Good pictures are a must. You'll have to deal with tire kickers either way you go. Being snarky about the paint/price aspect in the ad will turn potential buyers off immedietly simply because you come across as rude.
I am in no way being mean or picking at you I simply think that if the ad was well written and had more information on training/current times/etc and less about other things she may get a potential buyer who could care less about papers. Be professional and get a clean well written ad up to match that 9500 price and you may be surprised what she sells for.   |
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| THANKS. i will work on my bad attitude. |
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Paints are a hard sell. I sold one a few years back who was cruising a nice set (he was 6), FG, Biankus and Easy Jet right on his papers. He was a bay tobiano. Only got $4200 for him. And that was from the one and only person who showed any interest. :-/ Selling horses are tough anyway. Good luck to ya. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | moeman17 - 2017-02-14 1:23 PM THANKS. i will work on my bad attitude.
LOL please don't take it personal! I promise I was only trying to help!!
Hugs!!  and good luck with selling her. |
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| Not taking it personal, I'm a very simple buyer. When i see a horse i like i call and ask whatever million questions i have. Simple!!
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | IRunOnFaith - 2017-02-13 12:25 PM I had a jam up jackpot horse back in 2009 that was for sale for 3 years... Reining awards, multiple jackpot awards, pole horse, head horse, goat horse, anything you ask him to do he would do it. Sliding stops, spins, roping, smokin barrel runs and pole runs. He was great! He and I just didn't mesh well.
He started at $6500. No maint products needed. No ulcers. No lameness. Passed every vet exam with flying colors every single time. Always worked great when people would try him. People raved and praised his conformation and his ability. Big hip, kind eyes, cute face, all things I would hear people say about him when they were looking him over. And then they would back out when I pulled out Paint papers... He was a red dun with a strip, snip, and one white sock on his hind leg. Dam was a TB Paint corss and Dad was TB QTR Cross.
I had him listed as "Papered Red Dun Been-There-Done-That Gelding". I thought 6500 for a 10 year old experienced and well awarded gelding was fair...
Finally sold him in a sale for $600....Only one guy bid on him. Opening bid was $750... They had to go down to $600 just to get someone to buy him... The guy that got him said he was going to use him on his ranch to rope cattle on.... I thought that was the biggest waste of his talent.... But no one wanted him because of his papers.
This needs to be an AMC made for tv movie.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 1DSoon - 2017-02-14 8:41 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-02-13 12:25 PM I had a jam up jackpot horse back in 2009 that was for sale for 3 years... Reining awards, multiple jackpot awards, pole horse, head horse, goat horse, anything you ask him to do he would do it. Sliding stops, spins, roping, smokin barrel runs and pole runs. He was great! He and I just didn't mesh well.
He started at $6500. No maint products needed. No ulcers. No lameness. Passed every vet exam with flying colors every single time. Always worked great when people would try him. People raved and praised his conformation and his ability. Big hip, kind eyes, cute face, all things I would hear people say about him when they were looking him over. And then they would back out when I pulled out Paint papers... He was a red dun with a strip, snip, and one white sock on his hind leg. Dam was a TB Paint corss and Dad was TB QTR Cross.
I had him listed as "Papered Red Dun Been-There-Done-That Gelding". I thought 6500 for a 10 year old experienced and well awarded gelding was fair...
Finally sold him in a sale for $600....Only one guy bid on him. Opening bid was $750... They had to go down to $600 just to get someone to buy him... The guy that got him said he was going to use him on his ranch to rope cattle on.... I thought that was the biggest waste of his talent.... But no one wanted him because of his papers. This needs to be an AMC made for tv movie.
LOL I lost so much money on him...  |
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