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| turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM
How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!!
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Location: A roping pen near you!! | jbhoot - 2017-03-11 5:26 PM turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! I don't think they where married.
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| turnum - 2017-03-11 6:26 PM
jbhoot - 2017-03-11 5:26 PM turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! I don't think they where married.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | turnum - 2017-03-11 6:26 PM jbhoot - 2017-03-11 5:26 PM turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! I don't think they where married.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | So, If I am reading all the responses correctly:
Lady bought a Stud with BF or Husband. Decided to leave husband. Put Stud in her name only.
Husband or BF finds out and has proof of mutual purchase.
Breeder/Owner of Horse (Patsy) has never had the horse 5 panel tested. Has never submitted a SBR, and has never issued BC.
AQHA has no holds so the only reason why people aren't getting BCs is because she doesn't want to issue them.
So from all of that, here is my two cents:
How many foals will be grade now and may or may not have genetic disorders, etc ? How many owners will not spend the extra money on training a grade foal and will most likely sell the foal in an auction the second they wean to try and recoup loses to try again next breeding season? How many horses will most likely eventually end up in a slaughter situation for lack of papers and training who would have otherwise been great prospects for our industry?
The snowball effect makes me angry. All because this breeder is plain lazy and inconsiderate. Non responsible stud owners erk me. If everything above is true, This is truly terrible. |
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| Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal..... |
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Location: Where I am happiest | ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal.....
My advice is 2 fold.
1) IF you are dead set on THIS stallion then I would call AQHA and see if a breeders report has been filed like she said. That breeders report would list names of mares and the owners and contact some of them and make sure they got their breeders certificate and have a registered baby. Only due diligence will either varify her story or prove she is lying.
? 2) OR, you could save yourself the headach of it all and go to a different A Streak Of Fling son. There are many that are darn sure nice and a array to chose from to compliment your mare. A Dash Ta Streak is very nice and the colt we got last year by him is VERY nice!! He is beautiful, very balanced, and has a incredable mind. Everything is so easy with him. He is the third foal from his dam and he is by far the nicest she has produced so far and he is the cheapst stud fee we have spent on her. One stallion was $4000 . We have her booked to French Streakin Jess and as soon as she foals this years baby she will be bred to him. He was sure impressive in the barrel pen being a major ( Not a small futurity) futurity winner and slot race winner before being injured. He also stands for only $1500 and is a very impressive individual. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | ThreeCorners - 2017-04-09 6:00 PM ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal..... My advice is 2 fold.
1) IF you are dead set on THIS stallion then I would call AQHA and see if a breeders report has been filed like she said. That breeders report would list names of mares and the owners and contact some of them and make sure they got their breeders certificate and have a registered baby. Only due diligence will either varify her story or prove she is lying.
? 2) OR, you could save yourself the headach of it all and go to a different A Streak Of Fling son. There are many that are darn sure nice and a array to chose from to compliment your mare. A Dash Ta Streak is very nice and the colt we got last year by him is VERY nice!! He is beautiful, very balanced, and has a incredable mind. Everything is so easy with him. He is the third foal from his dam and he is by far the nicest she has produced so far and he is the cheapst stud fee we have spent on her. One stallion was $4000 . We have her booked to French Streakin Jess and as soon as she foals this years baby she will be bred to him. He was sure impressive in the barrel pen being a major ( Not a small futurity) futurity winner and slot race winner before being injured. He also stands for only $1500 and is a very impressive individual.
AND be sure he has been 5 panel tested. (Ask AQHA yourself, do NOT take her word for it.) Because if he HASN'T, all of the breeding reports in the world won't do you a bit of good, You will STILL have a grade foal. |
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| ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal.....
Anybody even considering breeding to this stud need to have their brains examined. |
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| In the comments they said that the dispute on ownership of the stallion was with the current owner and her ex husband or boyfriend, so that is where people are getting the story that the horse's ownership is in dispute. Also the guy that got the papers on a two year old was with a different stallion but same situation...per the comments on the Facebook thread lol |
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| I understand, just want to see if this was being resolved as she said or not. He's a nice horse, too bad he is being wasted. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-10 6:31 PM
I understand, just want to see if this was being resolved as she said or not. He's a nice horse, too bad he is being wasted.
She's been dishonest in the past. Do you really want to go there? Call AQHA and ask them if there is a SBR filed on that stud and for what years. Ask them if he's been 5 panel tested. If either of those things haven't been done, that woman is looking for her next victim. Don't be the next victim. You won't get a registered foal. Even if she has caught up with her obligations, I wouldn't get involved with someone who would take money from people and not perform her duty to them. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Love2runbarrels - 2017-04-10 3:21 PM
In the comments they said that the dispute on ownership of the stallion was with the current owner and her ex husband or boyfriend, so that is where people are getting the story that the horse's ownership is in dispute. Also the guy that got the papers on a two year old was with a different stallion but same situation...per the comments on the Facebook thread lol
She's still a liar. AQHA has no record of there being a dispute. Trust me. I was once in a dispute with someone over a registered horse. I sent AQHA a copy of the legal complaint against the person and flagged the mares papers. In fact, I paid $50 to flag all my horses papers. AQHA would call me every time a transfer came in from me to make sure it was allowed until I removed the hold on them. They knew there was a dispute and so should they know about that stallion's ownership issues. Someone would have filed a hold on transfers or that woman would be able to transfer him to someone else and hide him from the Ex. |
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Location: In the back forty | Okay, when all is said and done it looks like this to me; IF she did send in SBR to AQHA, and IF they have not received the Panel that they required on him, then she may think she has done her part, BUT she may not be aware that the AQHA isn't recording the SBR due to not having all requirements fulfilled on the stallion (i.e. the Panel they require for him). That seems to be the sticking point, so if she calls them and then sends in the Panel they need, then by re-submitting the SBR and paying any 'late' fees, etc., THEN perhaps the Mare owners can get their BC's and register their foals.
The only other thing is this; sometimes even AQHA makes mistakes--I know of a very prominent ranch/stallion owner who had bred quite a few mares one year and sent in the fees and the SBR and then next spring when both their customers and they themselves started trying to submit registrations, absolutely no BC's had been issued and AQHA said they never received the SBR. Fortunately they had copies of what had been submitted and had the cancelled check for SBR fees, etc. and finally got it all straightened out. I also know another person who they crossed up foal reg. applications/photos with another persons foal reg. application/photo and AQHA said that the foal color did not match the registration application descriptions. They finally got it straightened out after several phone calls. Do not hesitate to phone them to straighten out problems--anyone can make mistakes. All that to say maybe someone should just ask her to please call AQHA and find out if they received the SBR and if not she needs to resend it and also send in the Panel they wanted.  |
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| ThreeCorners - 2017-04-09 8:00 PM
ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal.....
My advice is 2 fold.
1) IF you are dead set on THIS stallion then I would call AQHA and see if a breeders report has been filed like she said. That breeders report would list names of mares and the owners and contact some of them and make sure they got their breeders certificate and have a registered baby. Only due diligence will either varify her story or prove she is lying.
? 2) OR, you could save yourself the headach of it all and go to a different A Streak Of Fling son. There are many that are darn sure nice and a array to chose from to compliment your mare. A Dash Ta Streak is very nice and the colt we got last year by him is VERY nice!! He is beautiful, very balanced, and has a incredable mind. Everything is so easy with him. He is the third foal from his dam and he is by far the nicest she has produced so far and he is the cheapst stud fee we have spent on her. One stallion was $4000 . We have her booked to French Streakin Jess and as soon as she foals this years baby she will be bred to him. He was sure impressive in the barrel pen being a major ( Not a small futurity) futurity winner and slot race winner before being injured. He also stands for only $1500 and is a very impressive individual.
AQHA IS NOT GOING TO VIEW HIM AS A STALLION OR ANY
PAPERWORK UNTIL HE GETS HIS 5 PANEL TESTS DONE!!
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | ma77_1 - 2017-04-11 4:26 PM
Okay, when all is said and done it looks like this to me; IF she did send in SBR to AQHA, and IF they have not received the Panel that they required on him, then she may think she has done her part, BUT she may not be aware that the AQHA isn't recording the SBR due to not having all requirements fulfilled on the stallion (i.e. the Panel they require for him). That seems to be the sticking point, so if she calls them and then sends in the Panel they need, then by re-submitting the SBR and paying any 'late' fees, etc., THEN perhaps the Mare owners can get their BC's and register their foals.
The only other thing is this; sometimes even AQHA makes mistakes--I know of a very prominent ranch/stallion owner who had bred quite a few mares one year and sent in the fees and the SBR and then next spring when both their customers and they themselves started trying to submit registrations, absolutely no BC's had been issued and AQHA said they never received the SBR. Fortunately they had copies of what had been submitted and had the cancelled check for SBR fees, etc. and finally got it all straightened out. I also know another person who they crossed up foal reg. applications/photos with another persons foal reg. application/photo and AQHA said that the foal color did not match the registration application descriptions. They finally got it straightened out after several phone calls. Do not hesitate to phone them to straighten out problems--anyone can make mistakes. All that to say maybe someone should just ask her to please call AQHA and find out if they received the SBR and if not she needs to resend it and also send in the Panel they wanted.
Yes that's all possible. IF it weren't for the fact she's well aware she hasn't done any of this and if she didn't know, AQHA would have sent her letters to inform her there's a problem. That's why I said the foal owners need to go after her legally. She's committing fraud. Theft. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-04-12 11:40 AM
ma77_1 - 2017-04-11 4:26 PM
Okay, when all is said and done it looks like this to me; IF she did send in SBR to AQHA, and IF they have not received the Panel that they required on him, then she may think she has done her part, BUT she may not be aware that the AQHA isn't recording the SBR due to not having all requirements fulfilled on the stallion (i.e. the Panel they require for him). That seems to be the sticking point, so if she calls them and then sends in the Panel they need, then by re-submitting the SBR and paying any 'late' fees, etc., THEN perhaps the Mare owners can get their BC's and register their foals.
The only other thing is this; sometimes even AQHA makes mistakes--I know of a very prominent ranch/stallion owner who had bred quite a few mares one year and sent in the fees and the SBR and then next spring when both their customers and they themselves started trying to submit registrations, absolutely no BC's had been issued and AQHA said they never received the SBR. Fortunately they had copies of what had been submitted and had the cancelled check for SBR fees, etc. and finally got it all straightened out. I also know another person who they crossed up foal reg. applications/photos with another persons foal reg. application/photo and AQHA said that the foal color did not match the registration application descriptions. They finally got it straightened out after several phone calls. Do not hesitate to phone them to straighten out problems--anyone can make mistakes. All that to say maybe someone should just ask her to please call AQHA and find out if they received the SBR and if not she needs to resend it and also send in the Panel they wanted.
Yes that's all possible. IF it weren't for the fact she's well aware she hasn't done any of this and if she didn't know, AQHA would have sent her letters to inform her there's a problem. That's why I said the foal owners need to go after her legally. She's committing fraud. Theft.
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