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Location: Florida | First, once your horse is trained don't exhibition. Just Stop. Every time you enter an alleyway you horse should know this is it. Go all out evey time. Too much practice makes you sloopy. I have never understood why anyone would drill a made horse, it confuses and bores them, Just run like you mean it, every time. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | I've never exhibitioned this horse?
Everyone I've entered her, I've yet to hold her back or "train" we just... "go for 90" for lack of a better term lol
I also do as little slow work and drills as possible, I spend more time conditioning and checking cows and using her for ranch work than drilling her.
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| I agree with what has been said but I also think you should work on cleaning up your lines. What is happening is that you come across the pen to wide and your mare is collapsing on your pocket. When you leave a barrel you should be level with your rate point for the next. This helps you run a smaller pattern but also keeps your horse more confident in the turn. Good luck! |
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Location: North Dakota | QHriderKE - 2017-05-18 9:00 PM I've never exhibitioned this horse? Everyone I've entered her, I've yet to hold her back or "train" we just... "go for 90" for lack of a better term lol I also do as little slow work and drills as possible, I spend more time conditioning and checking cows and using her for ranch work than drilling her.
I would agree that Squiggs probably does not need exhibitions .... but I'd almost beg to differ on doing drills and slow work.
It is evident that you need some practice on being consistent with guiding her, and I don't mean that in a bad way because I'm going through the same thing myself with getting back into the swing of things with my horses. But I think some slow work and drills would help you. It would help you be able to work on your hands and body, and help you practice to set her up for a clean pattern -- go into that turn with a nice pocket, and help her keep her butt engaged and body rounded and shaped, and come out headed straight to your next barrel.
Riders need practice too!
Plus ... if all you do during the week is check cows and condition on the trails, you are not conditioning her body to make turns with her body shaped like you do on the barrel pattern. So something to think about there too.
On your run where she blew the first; rider error or not, it really seemed like she didn't listen to you (sticking her nose in the air and resisting ) . Slow work helps with that! 
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| IMO it looks like you are over riding her. I would step back for awhile and focus on your horsemanship skills. It also looks like she doesn't have a rate spot instilled in her.
Others have offered good advice. Make sure you are riding your horse one step at a time. The picture below shows that you are asking your horse to go to the 3rd barrel, but you aren't even finished with the 2nd barrel yet.
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| QHriderKE - 2017-05-18 9:00 PM
I've never exhibitioned this horse?
Everyone I've entered her, I've yet to hold her back or "train" we just... "go for 90" for lack of a better term lol
I also do as little slow work and drills as possible, I spend more time conditioning and checking cows and using her for ranch work than drilling her.
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Location: Saskatchewan | I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could.
I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly. |
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| QHriderKE - 2017-05-23 9:22 AM I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could. I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly. There are lots of drills you can do off the pattern that teach you and your horse how to prepare for a turn and finish it properly. When I take a lesson the majority of the one is spent on these drills and she will have me cruise through one time at the end.
Remember smooth is fast, don't worry about your time till you get three good turns-the clock will follow. I have one that is so efficient in his turns that I can high lope to a 2D check. My girls can get on him and be in the 1D money.
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Location: North Dakota | QHriderKE - 2017-05-23 9:22 AM I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could. I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly.
Since you are having issues, I would be doing more slow work.
The point of drills are to fix issues.
No one is saying you have to go through the same drill 500 times. I agree that when they "get it right", quit that drill and go do a different drill or go do something else.
......Or you can just keep doing what you are doing and stay at the level you currently are. I don't mean that to be snarky; but you are getting lots of great advice here that can help you. You asked how you can get her in the 1D. You have to be willing to put in the work.
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| QHriderKE - 2017-05-23 9:22 AM
I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could.
I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly.
This horse has been drilled to death before she was ever started on barrels. She was exhibitioned for a year before she ever ran. She was just out of the top 10 in the 1D at the Reunion at Joseys. This is tough competition from all over the United States. If you expect to run in the 1D you better be prepared or at least around here. You refine your turns and leaving a barrel with slow work and drills. You als teach your horse rate. If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. I really think that people are trying to help you here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIV0H7w-8NE&t=79s
Here is a video of my YOUNG friend Abby Phillips. Her horse gets drilled every week to keep him running like he does. She is on her way to the College National Finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADlxrR9Qbc
Both of these are young horses. I work my 14 year old on drills to refine his basics.
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Location: North Dakota | Here's a different point of view....you have plenty of "whoa" in your body going to second and none going to first-set your horse up to throttle down on the first and the rest will come into play more correctly. You are rating your horse a little over half way across from 1-2 and you are just letting her fly into 1-why? If you can switch your actions to rate more at 1 and fly into 2 you will be much better off! |
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Location: Saskatchewan | Did a bit of slow work the night before this race, used some of everyones ideas!
I didn't push her and held on to her a bit going into 1st to be in the money in the 2D. I tried to just set her up nicer for the turns and used more leg to turn and really tried to not over-ride her as well. I kinda lost my seat a little coming out of first, hence my arm flying up when I went to go 2-handed. All in all, turned out pretty well and I know she has about 3 more gears to open up between barrels. I want to just cruise her through a couple more times like this and then start pushing her more again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N7Q7zGY_ho
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Location: Oklahoma | streakysox - 2017-05-23 10:36 AM
QHriderKE - 2017-05-23 9:22 AM
I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could.
I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly.
This horse has been drilled to death before she was ever started on barrels. She was exhibitioned for a year before she ever ran. She was just out of the top 10 in the 1D at the Reunion at Joseys. This is tough competition from all over the United States. If you expect to run in the 1D you better be prepared or at least around here. You refine your turns and leaving a barrel with slow work and drills. You als teach your horse rate. If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. I really think that people are trying to help you here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIV0H7w-8NE&t=79s
Here is a video of my YOUNG friend Abby Phillips. Her horse gets drilled every week to keep him running like he does. She is on her way to the College National Finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADlxrR9Qbc
Both of these are young horses. I work my 14 year old on drills to refine his basics.
If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. (I don't know how to highlight)
This is not a fair statement. I have seen some wild turns and crazy runs win it all! Im in a very tough area! Betty Roper "Sis" Would blow off the 3rd barrel and blow everyone away! If she turned tight I seen her loose the race or just place, but if she blowed off it you better watch out. Every horse has their style and sometimes pretty turns don't win it. |
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Location: Oklahoma | QHriderKE - 2017-05-28 11:31 PM
Did a bit of slow work the night before this race, used some of everyones ideas!
I didn't push her and held on to her a bit going into 1st to be in the money in the 2D. I tried to just set her up nicer for the turns and used more leg to turn and really tried to not over-ride her as well. I kinda lost my seat a little coming out of first, hence my arm flying up when I went to go 2-handed. All in all, turned out pretty well and I know she has about 3 more gears to open up between barrels. I want to just cruise her through a couple more times like this and then start pushing her more again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N7Q7zGY_ho
Just keep hauling and what I do is try to improve at least one thing from the run before. Don't try to change everything at once! you will get to fretting and trying to remember everything instead of you and the horse being relax and have a good time. Example people like Lisa Lockhart make it look so easy and fun. I think it is because she is having fun. (I know bout the money too) but love what you do! Nice horse! Again if there anything you want to change do it one run at a time! Good luck! |
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I'm going to just try to make the same run as last weekend a couple/few times in a row and then add a little more speed. I mean if she wants to clock at the top of the 2D on her own, I won't have to work very hard to add a little more speed once we get our timing and my riding through the turns figured out and organized! |
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| Turnburnsis - 2017-05-29 9:13 PM
streakysox - 2017-05-23 10:36 AM
QHriderKE - 2017-05-23 9:22 AM
I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could.
I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly.
This horse has been drilled to death before she was ever started on barrels. She was exhibitioned for a year before she ever ran. She was just out of the top 10 in the 1D at the Reunion at Joseys. This is tough competition from all over the United States. If you expect to run in the 1D you better be prepared or at least around here. You refine your turns and leaving a barrel with slow work and drills. You als teach your horse rate. If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. I really think that people are trying to help you here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIV0H7w-8NE&t=79s
Here is a video of my YOUNG friend Abby Phillips. Her horse gets drilled every week to keep him running like he does. She is on her way to the College National Finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADlxrR9Qbc
Both of these are young horses. I work my 14 year old on drills to refine his basics.
If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. (I don't know how to highlight )
This is not a fair statement. I have seen some wild turns and crazy runs win it all! Im in a very tough area! Betty Roper "Sis" Would blow off the 3rd barrel and blow everyone away! If she turned tight I seen her loose the race or just place, but if she blowed off it you better watch out. Every horse has their style and sometimes pretty turns don't win it.
This is probably true but not where we run or in the futurity world.
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Location: Saskatchewan | Well my horse is a mutt horse that was bred to buck or pack, it's a miracle we've gotten this far. I'm not planning to go pro or anything like that, just want to place 1D locally and enter some rodeos but imo there's no point in rodeoing if you know you usually just run a second or so behind gals who are rodeoing |
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Location: Oklahoma | streakysox - 2017-05-30 10:51 AM
Turnburnsis - 2017-05-29 9:13 PM
streakysox - 2017-05-23 10:36 AM
QHriderKE - 2017-05-23 9:22 AM
I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could.
I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly.
This horse has been drilled to death before she was ever started on barrels. She was exhibitioned for a year before she ever ran. She was just out of the top 10 in the 1D at the Reunion at Joseys. This is tough competition from all over the United States. If you expect to run in the 1D you better be prepared or at least around here. You refine your turns and leaving a barrel with slow work and drills. You als teach your horse rate. If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. I really think that people are trying to help you here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIV0H7w-8NE&t=79s
Here is a video of my YOUNG friend Abby Phillips. Her horse gets drilled every week to keep him running like he does. She is on her way to the College National Finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADlxrR9Qbc
Both of these are young horses. I work my 14 year old on drills to refine his basics.
If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. (I don't know how to highlight )
This is not a fair statement. I have seen some wild turns and crazy runs win it all! Im in a very tough area! Betty Roper "Sis" Would blow off the 3rd barrel and blow everyone away! If she turned tight I seen her loose the race or just place, but if she blowed off it you better watch out. Every horse has their style and sometimes pretty turns don't win it.
This is probably true but not where we run or in the futurity world.
Texas not that much different than Oklahoma. And I went to Fort Smith and watched the derby and futurity world. :)) Each horse has there own turning style . I've seen different turning styles win. :)) In the futurity and rodeos |
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| Turnburnsis - 2017-05-31 12:07 AM
streakysox - 2017-05-30 10:51 AM
Turnburnsis - 2017-05-29 9:13 PM
streakysox - 2017-05-23 10:36 AM
QHriderKE - 2017-05-23 9:22 AM
I personally just don't see the point in drilling and drilling a horse. I drilled and drilled her for a couple years before ever really entering. And when I entered her, I just let her pick her own speed and tried it go with it best I could.
I try to only work her on barrels once a week at most. Usually ends up that I take her out for some slow work a few days before a jackpot. It's not that I never do any slow work, but I try to keep it to a minimum and just try harder to get the most out of 3 jogs/lopes or walks around the pattern than doing it 20 times poorly.
This horse has been drilled to death before she was ever started on barrels. She was exhibitioned for a year before she ever ran. She was just out of the top 10 in the 1D at the Reunion at Joseys. This is tough competition from all over the United States. If you expect to run in the 1D you better be prepared or at least around here. You refine your turns and leaving a barrel with slow work and drills. You als teach your horse rate. If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. I really think that people are trying to help you here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIV0H7w-8NE&t=79s
Here is a video of my YOUNG friend Abby Phillips. Her horse gets drilled every week to keep him running like he does. She is on her way to the College National Finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADlxrR9Qbc
Both of these are young horses. I work my 14 year old on drills to refine his basics.
If you don't make your turns like this mare, you will not get in the 1D. (I don't know how to highlight )
This is not a fair statement. I have seen some wild turns and crazy runs win it all! Im in a very tough area! Betty Roper "Sis" Would blow off the 3rd barrel and blow everyone away! If she turned tight I seen her loose the race or just place, but if she blowed off it you better watch out. Every horse has their style and sometimes pretty turns don't win it.
This is probably true but not where we run or in the futurity world.
Texas not that much different than Oklahoma. And I went to Fort Smith and watched the derby and futurity world. : ) ) Each horse has there own turning style . I've seen different turning styles win. : ) ) In the futurity and rodeos
This is very true. What I was trying to say is that one little mistake of any kind and you can forget placing. AND this is our LOCAL COMPETITION. Our little local jackpots have 125+. Anything else has 300+. Many of the people that did well at Ft. Smith come to the barrel races around here. That is common. I just thought that was the competion that the OP was competing against. I strive for excellence with all of my horses and expect them to perform. |
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Location: North Dakota | QHriderKE - 2017-05-28 11:31 PM Did a bit of slow work the night before this race, used some of everyones ideas! I didn't push her and held on to her a bit going into 1st to be in the money in the 2D. I tried to just set her up nicer for the turns and used more leg to turn and really tried to not over-ride her as well. I kinda lost my seat a little coming out of first, hence my arm flying up when I went to go 2-handed. All in all, turned out pretty well and I know she has about 3 more gears to open up between barrels. I want to just cruise her through a couple more times like this and then start pushing her more again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N7Q7zGY_ho
I think your speed was appropriate going into the first barrel, but you've got to set up that pocket correctly. You went too deep.
You lean in your turns; especially evident on your second barrel. Keep your weight square and body centered. If anything, your weight should be slightly to the outside (think centripital motion and physics). You are leaning to the inside and somehow standing in your stirrups with each stride around the barrel.
As far as drills go: I just attended a Ryan Lovendahl clinic last month. And that's all they do with their horses = DRILLS. And he's obviously winning big races and big money with his horses. So you most certainly cannot over-drill a horse, so long as it's done correctly. Now, I'm not saying you should do drills every day (I can't ... because me as the rider would be bored!!! Plus I do other things with my horses besides barrels.) but there isn't any reason you couldn't do drills.
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