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Location: MN | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-05-16 2:04 PM cranky B4 10am - 2017-05-16 12:44 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-05-16 12:31 PM So...would anyone be concerned about feeding Nutrina triple cleaned race horse oats?! I wouldn't give a dime to them anymore after the way they deflect and "handle" these cases. JMHO
Great news! I was able to get my money back for my oats! WOOHOO! I then proceeded to show the store manager this thread and his jaw about hit the floor.... |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 10:00 AM
The allegations against the feed were for an all livestock feed, that right there is asking for trouble. You always have that risk when feeding an all livestock feed. A local mill mixes one and they pull different feeds from different parts of the mill and mix the final product together. Some of it is pushed through the same machines as the cattle feed, so contamination is always a potential. However they put a warning label on the bag about it. Most likely other big mills do it the same way. There is never as much care put into an all livestock feed as there is equine only. Common sense should tell you not to use an all livestock feed to a horse, but people do because it's dirt cheap. A 50lb bag is $7, red flag right there. I've had my feed tested and it came back clear, so I'm not concerned about it.
Then they should say it's not for horses- people read all livestock and assume it is safe for all livestock, including horses. The labels I have seen on all livestock feeds include horses on the bag. |
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Location: Deep South | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 10:00 AM
The allegations against the feed were for an all livestock feed, that right there is asking for trouble. You always have that risk when feeding an all livestock feed. A local mill mixes one and they pull different feeds from different parts of the mill and mix the final product together. Some of it is pushed through the same machines as the cattle feed, so contamination is always a potential. However they put a warning label on the bag about it. Most likely other big mills do it the same way. There is never as much care put into an all livestock feed as there is equine only. Common sense should tell you not to use an all livestock feed to a horse, but people do because it's dirt cheap. A 50lb bag is $7, red flag right there. I've had my feed tested and it came back clear, so I'm not concerned about it.
That was the allegations several months ago involving the all stock feed, which is still inexcusable. If it's marketed as safe for horses, then it should be safe for horses. Period. But this is a whole new case involving Nutrena Safe Choice Senior dry pellets. |
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Location: CTX | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-05-17 10:47 AM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-05-16 2:04 PM cranky B4 10am - 2017-05-16 12:44 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-05-16 12:31 PM So...would anyone be concerned about feeding Nutrina triple cleaned race horse oats?! I wouldn't give a dime to them anymore after the way they deflect and "handle" these cases. JMHO
Glad to hear you were able to bring it back. And also good for you for showing it to the store manager. We need as many people informed as we can and maybe we will save some horses.  |
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Location: Illinois | I just read about it and I'm not buying that it was a feed issue. Seems to me like after what happened last fall it was just easiest to point the finger at Nutrena. But that's just my opinion, not enough evidence to point the finger at monensin. I will continue to feed my Fuel. If anyone is concerned about their feed its very easy to have some samples tested at a toxicology lab also, there's many that will do it. My point of the post was to emphasize that no matter what you feed, there's always a risk for something harmful.
As for the oats I posted about, I had used 3 brands (Diamind, Producer's Pride, and Country Feeds brands). Diamond was the worst with the bugs. I only fed rolled oats, as whole oats are highly wasted in their body. However the horse I fed them to has developed a low starch tolerance and feeding him oats would kill him now, so I haven't purchased any in a couple years. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 10:00 AM The allegations against the feed were for an all livestock feed, that right there is asking for trouble. You always have that risk when feeding an all livestock feed. A local mill mixes one and they pull different feeds from different parts of the mill and mix the final product together. Some of it is pushed through the same machines as the cattle feed, so contamination is always a potential. However they put a warning label on the bag about it. Most likely other big mills do it the same way. There is never as much care put into an all livestock feed as there is equine only. Common sense should tell you not to use an all livestock feed to a horse, but people do because it's dirt cheap. A 50lb bag is $7, red flag right there. I've had my feed tested and it came back clear, so I'm not concerned about it.
It was for Nutrena Equine Safe Choice Senior.
Here is the post that was on FB.I want to clarify the facts regarding the deaths of the two horses at my barn. This is directly from the owner of the first horse that died I am the owner of the first horse that died. I want to make sure that the facts are clear. 1. I opened a new bag of Nutrena senior on Wednesday April 19 and split it into two cans. I started feeding the two horses from the new bag that day 2. Monday April 24 my horse died suddenly at 6:30 AM before his morning hay from what we assumed ...was heart failure. He was standing and fell over and died within minutes 3. The second horse died on Thursday April 27 shortly before 7PM, in a similar manner, which raised suspicion about my horse's death. 4. On the advice of our veterinarian, we informed the state veterinarian the next morning and she asked us to send samples of their hay and supplements to tested by the state 5. On Friday May 12 the results from the state came back. The Nutrena Senior tested positive for monensin. 6. We have a number of other horses at our barn who have been on Nutrena and only these two who shared the same bag died Hi friends,
At the barn we board at here in So Calif. 2 horses died after eating Nutrena Safe Choice Senior dry pellets. The Nutrena product tested positive for monensin. One horse died 17 hrs after eating the Nutrena and the other horse died 22 hrs after eating the same. Both horses were eating from the same allotment. I threw out our Nutrena Safe Choice. Please everyone beware before using Nutrena products! UC Davis California Animal Health and Food Safety Laboratory System tested the feed.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 11:33 AM I just read about it and I'm not buying that it was a feed issue. Seems to me like after what happened last fall it was just easiest to point the finger at Nutrena. But that's just my opinion, not enough evidence to point the finger at monensin. I will continue to feed my Fuel. If anyone is concerned about their feed its very easy to have some samples tested at a toxicology lab also, there's many that will do it. My point of the post was to emphasize that no matter what you feed, there's always a risk for something harmful. As for the oats I posted about, I had used 3 brands (Diamind, Producer's Pride, and Country Feeds brands). Diamond was the worst with the bugs. I only fed rolled oats, as whole oats are highly wasted in their body. However the horse I fed them to has developed a low starch tolerance and feeding him oats would kill him now, so I haven't purchased any in a couple years.
Since your saying Nutrena is not at fault for these horses deaths, get a representative from Nutrena to come on here and explain to us why its not Nutrenas fault that this is happening would love to hear their excuses along with yours. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 9:33 AM
I just read about it and I'm not buying that it was a feed issue. Seems to me like after what happened last fall it was just easiest to point the finger at Nutrena. But that's just my opinion, not enough evidence to point the finger at monensin. I will continue to feed my Fuel. If anyone is concerned about their feed its very easy to have some samples tested at a toxicology lab also, there's many that will do it. My point of the post was to emphasize that no matter what you feed, there's always a risk for something harmful.
As for the oats I posted about, I had used 3 brands (Diamind, Producer's Pride, and Country Feeds brands). Diamond was the worst with the bugs. I only fed rolled oats, as whole oats are highly wasted in their body. However the horse I fed them to has developed a low starch tolerance and feeding him oats would kill him now, so I haven't purchased any in a couple years.
The Feed WAS TESTED and it tested POSITIVE...... how much more do you need???? And those producers pride oats you fed...... Worst of the worst bottom of the barrel . |
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Location: Deep South | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 11:33 AM
I just read about it and I'm not buying that it was a feed issue. Seems to me like after what happened last fall it was just easiest to point the finger at Nutrena. But that's just my opinion, not enough evidence to point the finger at monensin. I will continue to feed my Fuel. If anyone is concerned about their feed its very easy to have some samples tested at a toxicology lab also, there's many that will do it. My point of the post was to emphasize that no matter what you feed, there's always a risk for something harmful.
As for the oats I posted about, I had used 3 brands (Diamind, Producer's Pride, and Country Feeds brands). Diamond was the worst with the bugs. I only fed rolled oats, as whole oats are highly wasted in their body. However the horse I fed them to has developed a low starch tolerance and feeding him oats would kill him now, so I haven't purchased any in a couple years.
Is this enough evidence for you?
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Location: Willows, CA | As I mentioned, I did a radio interview last month about a feed contamination issue that happened in the dressage world that involved several prominent riders. Pretty timely on how these things happen at the feed mills. If you would like to hear it you can go to Healthycrittersradio.com then hit the podcast header. The interview is #36 April 25th airing. My segment is at the start of the show, so you don't need to search for it through the program. Not an advertisement. |
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Location: Illinois | The feed tested positive for monensin, yes even Nutrena posted that. I never said there wasn't monensin in the feed, I said I'll believe it when the tissue report comes back proving that cause of death. The feed could have that in it and the horses could have still died from something else entirely. But the tissue sample reports apparently aren't out yet from what I can see. Each person is going to have their own opinions about it anyway. The whole point of my original response was completely disregarded, so I'm just going to be done or else this is going to end up one of those never ending beating a dead horse posts. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 1:54 PM The feed tested positive for monensin, yes even Nutrena posted that. I never said there wasn't monensin in the feed, I said I'll believe it when the tissue report comes back proving that cause of death. The feed could have that in it and the horses could have still died from something else entirely. But the tissue sample reports apparently aren't out yet from what I can see. Each person is going to have their own opinions about it anyway. The whole point of my original response was completely disregarded, so I'm just going to be done or else this is going to end up one of those never ending beating a dead horse posts.
What you are ok with that the majority is not is that Nutrena finds trace amounts acceptable. They repeatedly state "found amounts common in commercial feeds". As I stated in earlier post, I agree, we don't know that is what killed the horses but we do know Nutrena finds it acceptable to have trace amounts of contamination and that is my issue with Nutrena. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 11:54 AM
The feed tested positive for monensin, yes even Nutrena posted that. I never said there wasn't monensin in the feed, I said I'll believe it when the tissue report comes back proving that cause of death. The feed could have that in it and the horses could have still died from something else entirely. But the tissue sample reports apparently aren't out yet from what I can see. Each person is going to have their own opinions about it anyway. The whole point of my original response was completely disregarded, so I'm just going to be done or else this is going to end up one of those never ending beating a dead horse posts.
You should NOT FEEL OK with ANY amounts of ANY ionophores in your horses feed. PERIOD. ZIP ZILCH ZERO... |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | And even though it might be a small amount, lets feed our kids arsenic too. It might not kill them. |
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| As someone who lost horses last year from something I was told could never be a problem and was low level it always matters. I will never feed from a mill who makes other types of feed and wouldn't feed Nutrena to anything. It is not suppose to be in horse feed so any amount is too much. We were sponsored by Nutrena years ago at the race track when their at the time new fancy feed came out. Our horse lost body condition in a matter of weeks my husband told them to come back and get this crap out of his barn. What I went through last year was different than this but not something I am ever willing to go through again and just would never take the risk. |
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Location: North Dakota | Thank you to the person that attached the toxicology report. I'm surprised with toxicology below 1 ppm it killed the horses that quickly.
Before you all jump all over me, I am not defending Nutrena nor saying its okay. I noticed the toxicology report that said this was a common level in feeds. That scares me.
My question is can a level below 1 ppm kill a horse that quickly? Again, I wont be feeding it as I dont even like 1 ppm. I would think with that low of a level, it would have taken a few weeks and the horses would have shown some sort of physical characteristics of poisoning like anorexia or maybe they did?????
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | My levels on my report were .16g/tn reported by the lab in auburn. It was enough to make a horse is have owned over 20 years go into a bad colic. She recovered, but it wasn't pleasant. |
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| I think it depends on the horse. Some horses will be more sensitive to it than others. Or it could have been building up and this put them over the edge. I quit feeding Nutrena about 2 years ago. My normally not picky horse started not wanting to eat. She looked horrible and wasn't right. Several others were turning their noses up at the safechoice. I wont point fingers but when I switched to a different brand they all went back to eating and she started acting normal again. Ive owned this mare for 14 years. I know when she farts wrong. LOL
I also didnt like that EVERY bag I opened was different. Different color, texture and smell. |
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Location: North Dakota | 3canstorun - 2017-05-17 4:34 PM
My levels on my report were .16g/tn reported by the lab in auburn. It was enough to make a horse is have owned over 20 years go into a bad colic. She recovered, but it wasn't pleasant.
So that would be .16 ppm right? Yeah, that's low. How long did you feed it? |
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Location: Willows, CA | Nutrena admitted the contamination because they could not deny it. The levels shown were from the samples tested and may not be representative of what else was in the bag that these two horses actually ate. If something had hung up in the system and ended up in that feed, there could easily have been a hot spot and not an even distribution throughout the bag tested. Who knows. The safe choice, pun intended, is to simply buy your feed from companies that do not make medicated feeds, or use ingredients from sources that do. If you do not have any medications on the property, this will not happen. |
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