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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-07-03 6:20 PM So Lost - 2017-07-03 5:59 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-07-03 5:56 PM NJJ - 2017-07-03 5:51 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2017-07-03 4:29 PM 1DSoon - 2017-07-03 5:24 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2017-07-03 5:21 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 12:22 PM Yes you were wrong for posting your disappointment with this trainer on Facebook or where ever you did the posting, the problem should have been between the two of you not the public.. You should have been going to check on your horse to see how it was doing.. Take your horse for a vet check and see if they can find out if theres a issue of it being sore are hurt.
I totally disagree with it not being OK to post negative results of ANYTHING we purchase on FB or any other social media. If anyone has any common sense they understand that one side is just that - one side of an issue. But it's BS to be the bad person for posting negative stuff. Life is not all rosey cheeks and rainbows. We can't all post positive posts all the time. And if there are issues with specific trainers (or any other product or service) how the heck else are we horse people supposed to let others know?
I think this pussy footing around bad trainer service is stupid. There are good trainers and there are those that aren't. Some are good business men and women and some aren't. I've seen plenty of slamming of shady sellers - so why would the rules be any different for bad trainers?
I've had some bad dealings with trainers and tried to handle it between me and the trainer(s). All that did was make them think they could do it again, to me and to others. I don't think I've been passive aggressive a moment in my life. I'm either happy (or at least ok ) with a situation or I'll be in your face about it. Posting something negative on FB isn't passive aggressive, it's pretty straight forward - your name is attached to it. Now here on BHW where we hide behind screen names can be a bit passive aggressive.
I wonder how many of those who are taking the OP to task for not going to ride the horse during the training period would REALLY have been willing to make a TWO THOUSAND mile round trip to do it.....because she has posted that the trainer was 1000 miles away ..... and IF this horse was such a "pig", a reputable trainer would have said COME GET YOUR HORSE and not keep taking the money. That being said, with only one side of the story, we don't "know" that the trainer didn't tell the OP to come get her horse.
She stated in her original post that her truck broke down on the way and she had to hire a hauler. |
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| runningk - 2017-07-04 8:09 AM It would be really good if everyone would read the OP's whole post. Not just parts of it.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LOL, for the ones that say to reread her first post, I did and and she edit to say the horses age and added she had to hire a hauler, if you guys had read it befor she edit, she didnt say anything about hiring a hauler just that her truck broke down and had to wait another 2 weeks to get her horse nothing about a hauler at that time, for all we knew she waited to get her truck fixed and then went to pick the horse up, hummmm she made her post at 11.11 am and edit it at 6: pm.
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| Yes I edited my post to say that I hired a hauler and stated later that I had to hire a hauler. I thought i had stated it in my original post but was mistaken, so yes I did edit it. My original post did state the horses age. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So Lost - 2017-07-04 10:06 AM Yes I edited my post to say that I hired a hauler and stated later that I had to hire a hauler. I thought i had stated it in my original post but was mistaken, so yes I did edit it. My original post did state the horses age.
Did the hauler have to meet the trainer in town to pick up your horse like he was going to do with you? |
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Location: Florida | I would have posted the trainer's name by now. Then file a small claims suit for my fees. There is nothing acceptable about this being the results of 6 months professional training. If the horse was just a stubborn pig with a bad attitude the trainer should have known it within a month and called the owner to pick him up. Total rip off. |
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| Here is my two cents.
No you are not entitled to a refund. The trainer cannot guarantee success, they put their time in, and need to be paid for the time.
Even the 6th month, you didn't pick the horse up at the beginning, the horse stayed there, and she had to feed it and care for it.
As for the trainer there are always 3 sides to the story, yours, theirs, and the truth, it may have been how you worded things that made them continue working on the horse instead of calling you and telling you to pick up the horse.
Trainers try and be polite. It takes an exceptional trainer to call and tell someone to come get their horse as it isn't working. I have friends that are trainers and their stories about how owners reject their suggestion of selling the horse, or reject the suggestion of stopping the training.
I have seen horses sull up at 30, 60, and even 90 days. It sounds like yours has sulled up. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Vickie - 2017-07-04 10:26 AM I would have posted the trainer's name by now. Then file a small claims suit for my fees. There is nothing acceptable about this being the results of 6 months professional training. If the horse was just a stubborn pig with a bad attitude the trainer should have known it within a month and called the owner to pick him up. Total rip off. ^^^^ Even though we are only seeing one side of the story, this is EXACTLY why "some" well known trainers get a "free pass" ..... people jump all over the owner when things go bad. It is the TRAINER'S responsibility to evaluate the horse's progress; it is the TRAINER'S responsibility to send videos; it is the TRAINER'S responsibility to contact the owner if the horse is not doing well; it is the TRAINER'S responsibility to tell the owner to COME GET the horse......THAT is what the owner is paying for and should get for the money paid.
eta: Could she get a refund......more than likely, no .... since most judges are not well versed in equine activities, it would be a very hard case to prove negligence .... chalk it up to a valuable "life lesson" and move on.
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Location: Ky | The horse did not get to that point after 6 months. Meaning it was all fine until that day. The trainer had to know early on that this could the outcome. If the trainer did not communicate this to the owner then the trainer is at afault and they should refund.
If the trainer did communicate the problems and the owner said to continue then there is no refund due.
The reputable trainers I know, Chris Coffee, just to name one, will tell the owner at 30 or 45 days that they should come get the horse because it's not going to work out.
Most likely if this trainer is named there will problably be many stories just like this. But if there's not and this is an aberration, that will come to light too.
That's why the trainer should be named.
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| Thank you! NJJ
The trainer has possession of the horse and eyes on it every day. It is their call on how to care for the horse. They know what the horse needs better than me, because what I was doing may not work for the horse once it is in training.
If a horse is off, it is the trainers call to be horseman enough to tell if is a behavior issue or a physical issue and decide if it needs to see a vet. They see the horse every day. Even if I went up to see my horse for one day, once a month I couldn't make that call honestly, It is the trainer responsibility to communicate this sort of stuff to the owner. Vet, farrier, feed, supplements, chiro, time off, more rides those are all calls the trainer has to make.
I got written updates like I said before, not weekly but I did get plenty of photos of my horse, looking good so I wasn’t worried at all. Nothing to raise red flags.
I expected to get on my horse when I got it home and be able to have a nice little ride around the arena and check it out. Not have one completely sulled up. I honestly can’t wrap my mine around how you would even get one this bad especially since the horse was so easy to start in the first place.
Trust me if this trainer had told me my horse was a p.o.s, I would have brought it home in a heartbeat. Instead of wasting my money and the time.
If I have to be up a trainers butt, what is the point? If you are advertising yourself as a professional horseman you need to act like it. In the past I have started colts for other people and I know exactly how thankless a job it can be and how no one wants to pay and how everyone wants a 30 day miracle. Maybe that’s why I didn’t ride this trainer because I know what it’s like to be doing what they do. I fully understand the training process and the way things can go.
I probably gave this trainer more rein because of previous experience with them and trusted them 100%. About 5 yrs back I sent a rescue case to this trainer, like there wasn’t much hope for this particular horse, and told the trainer do what they can. I was in the middle of a move so again bad timing for me. The mare was aggressive, reactive, barely halter broke and would set back really bad. Most here would have said put her on a kill truck. She was nicely bred and I saw potential in her if a person could get through. I’d seen the work this trainer could do on videos and had spoken with the trainer so, I sent this mare.
We did 30 days at a time and I got updates regularly, the trainer did have someone helping then who could video regularly. The mare had her fair share of issues and the trainer shared every one, and was totally honest. One day she set back and the blocker tie ring didn’t release and the mare pulled back lunged forward and crushed her eye socket. Trainer called immediately got the mare all the care she needed. The mare was at the trainers vet for a very long time, as hauling her home wasn’t recommend by the vet and I didn’t have a vet locally who could deal with the care the mare needed around the clock so she didn’t lose her eye. After she was healed she went back to the trainer for a few more months. I had the mare shipped home. I got this mare back perfect ready to go haul and season. During training I was told every little issue this mare had, the trainer was totally forthcoming and honest. I expected the same honesty and professionalism with the horse I sent this year.
So here I am totally shocked at the horse I got back this time, One who was doing good before I sent it. No I wasn’t told about issues like this! Nothing even remotely like it. Did I expect this horse to be ready to haul and season? No, but I did expect to be able to actually ride decent.
Has anyone here ever rode a real old horse that has been used for those, nose to tail trail rides its whole life? That’s pretty much what my horse is like. No go, no whoa, no give. No explanation from the trainer, except for sorry, I can’t do anything about it ! ?
And I know there are three sides to every story. The nice thing about the era we live in, is we have text, facebook and e-mail. So it is pretty easy to produce proof and let people make their own decisions about what I was told. I am considering making the posts available so people can make their own judgement but I haven’t just yet.
Yes I feel totally burned by this trainer who I thought was a good person and good horseman. It seems this trainer has totally flaked out since I sent the last mare.
Someone had asked if the trainer met the hauler in town. Well that was another ordeal. Hauler was going to pick up at the trainer’s place. Then trainer was said they were going to the arena in town and would haul my horse, then said they left it home, so I think eventually they met somewhere.
The gal who hauled him home was a professional horsewoman. I am thankful everyday she was the one who got my horse home. The trainer didn’t even send a flake of hay with my horse for the 1,000 mile trip home. The hauler was an angel and gave my horse her hay and even some hydration hay. They gave my horse the royal treatment.
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| Dang SKM you deleted your post.
YES I FAILED MY HORSE , trust me I am devastated that I did. I do feel personally responsible for that and beat myself up for that.
But I have to remind myself I was operating with the information given to me by the trainer.
IF the trainer didn't give me good information, and I didn't know it wasn't good information how am I supposed to know the right thing to do?
I'm not psychic. This is the second horse I sent out for training and this is the only trainer I've ever used. So I don't have the experience about how to spot if a trainer isn't doing their job.
If a trainer won't speak up till they are over their head that reflects on their level of professionalism.
Now that my horse is home I am taking it to a good vet that deals with a lot of race horses and I can have a full work up to see if there is anything physical going on that could cause its behavior.
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| euchee - 2017-07-04 8:22 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-07-03 6:20 PM So Lost - 2017-07-03 5:59 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-07-03 5:56 PM NJJ - 2017-07-03 5:51 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2017-07-03 4:29 PM 1DSoon - 2017-07-03 5:24 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2017-07-03 5:21 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-03 12:22 PM Yes you were wrong for posting your disappointment with this trainer on Facebook or where ever you did the posting, the problem should have been between the two of you not the public.. You should have been going to check on your horse to see how it was doing.. Take your horse for a vet check and see if they can find out if theres a issue of it being sore are hurt.
I totally disagree with it not being OK to post negative results of ANYTHING we purchase on FB or any other social media. If anyone has any common sense they understand that one side is just that - one side of an issue. But it's BS to be the bad person for posting negative stuff. Life is not all rosey cheeks and rainbows. We can't all post positive posts all the time. And if there are issues with specific trainers (or any other product or service) how the heck else are we horse people supposed to let others know?
I think this pussy footing around bad trainer service is stupid. There are good trainers and there are those that aren't. Some are good business men and women and some aren't. I've seen plenty of slamming of shady sellers - so why would the rules be any different for bad trainers?
I've had some bad dealings with trainers and tried to handle it between me and the trainer(s). All that did was make them think they could do it again, to me and to others. I don't think I've been passive aggressive a moment in my life. I'm either happy (or at least ok ) with a situation or I'll be in your face about it. Posting something negative on FB isn't passive aggressive, it's pretty straight forward - your name is attached to it. Now here on BHW where we hide behind screen names can be a bit passive aggressive.
I wonder how many of those who are taking the OP to task for not going to ride the horse during the training period would REALLY have been willing to make a TWO THOUSAND mile round trip to do it.....because she has posted that the trainer was 1000 miles away ..... and IF this horse was such a "pig", a reputable trainer would have said COME GET YOUR HORSE and not keep taking the money. That being said, with only one side of the story, we don't "know" that the trainer didn't tell the OP to come get her horse.
FYI she edited her origional post... and added she got a hauler. At first it just said her "truck broke down and when she finaly got the horse home 2 weeks later..." nothing about a hauler. |
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| I am not sure what the point of this post is. Both are at fault. The trainer should have been honest after so many months that the horse wasnt working out and solost should have made some attempt to physically see the horse. I cant wrap my mind around why you would send a horse off 100 miles or 1000 miles and never ride with the trainer at least once. To me its pointless to send the horse off and never learn exactly what the horse knows and how to cue it after spending all that money. For that part I do not feel sorry for solost. Also if the horse was being difficult take it to the vet. For all the money spent for 6 months of training what is the minor cost of a simple lameness with a wellnes exam??? A horse doesnt just stop working especially when they have a good demeaner. As a horse trainer it is their job to recognize that. From a trainer I would expect good communicate with the owner and regular updates. As a horse owner is it their job to be proactive with the process and ask questions. Both screwed themselves. Solost didnt ask enough questions and the trainer did a horrible job communicating with solost. Solost is out a lot of money and the trainer just lost a customer that can leave a bad review. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-07-04 2:30 PM I am not sure what the point of this post is. Both are at fault. The trainer should have been honest after so many months that the horse wasnt working out and solost should have made some attempt to physically see the horse. I cant wrap my mind around why you would send a horse off 100 miles or 1000 miles and never ride with the trainer at least once. To me its pointless to send the horse off and never learn exactly what the horse knows and how to cue it after spending all that money. For that part I do not feel sorry for solost. Also if the horse was being difficult take it to the vet. For all the money spent for 6 months of training what is the minor cost of a simple lameness with a wellnes exam??? A horse doesnt just stop working especially when they have a good demeaner. As a horse trainer it is their job to recognize that. From a trainer I would expect good communicate with the owner and regular updates. As a horse owner is it their job to be proactive with the process and ask questions. Both screwed themselves. Solost didnt ask enough questions and the trainer did a horrible job communicating with solost. Solost is out a lot of money and the trainer just lost a customer that can leave a bad review.
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Location: Florida | I can't understand why so many on here immediately blamed the OP. Why would someone not feel they could safely leave a horse with a trainer without constantly dropping in and checking on your horse? How is it the owners fault for trusting a trainer? Is this is what the world is coming to - watch close or it is your fault when I screw you over?
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | Big girl panties on and flame suit is ready ;0)))
I'm sorry but 6 months and doesn't know anything? Really?
Evaluation is a easy thing within the first 2wks to 30 days period.
Doesn't take "Professional Trainer" to figure that one out!
2 sides? Always!
Communication stopped?
Huge huge flag no ,"training" was happening!
I'm sorry but guilty folks don't talk, it's hiding the fact that works not being done!!!!
Some of these so called trainers will and do suck money monthly out of clients and do not ride them.
FACT!!!!
Give a rehearsed spill to owners to get them to leave them longer.
FACT!
That's their living and sure a lot do just that.
FACT!
Know quite a few who do this.
FACT!
Yep you should've road tripped to go see....FACT
But you trusted this person.....?
My Daddy( a good honest man, trainer and prca calf roper, not his day job)
Said this--
Never trust anyone that makes their sole a living in the horse business!
I trust no one and I always do my homework where my animals and money goes!!!
I question everything and keep constant check.
I hold these chosen folks accountable!!!!
I use to break and train for the public and gave weekly updates and had clients to come weekly if they chose to come see me ride and work their ponies.
Yep refunded only 2 as the colts were cold backed broncs and sent them home.
Are you gonna get a refund?
Nope
You I believe got played and you paid.
People make me tired when they always blame the client and not the trainer!!!
Get your pony vet checked and let it rest a month or so before you
Do anything.
You have learned a valuable lesson in this life.
Good luck
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| Yakima, I think you are probably a very wise person as your dad sounds like he was also. I know several less then honest "professional" trainers. The OP does share some fault in this but the fact of the matter is that the Professional didn't hold up the integrity of the title that they should have. Lesson learned by all and now it is water under the bridge |
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I'm betting that if the trainer had done a great job the facebook post would have been welcomed... I don't know any of the parties involved but what I do know, is that if you want something done right, do it yourself. I've ridden outside horses in the past and if they weren't up to par, I can assure you that the owner heard about it in the first 30 days. I would never send a horse home without the owner riding with me first, regardless of the situation. And if it weren't possible, then I would have a step by step video sent home with the horse showing exactly how to work them and exactly where they were at in their training. It seems like no one takes pride in their work anymore. It is just a paycheck to so many people. Training horses is hard work and if you aren't up for the challenge then perhaps a "real job" would be more fitting. As for owners... why breed and buy young untrained horses if you aren't capable of getting them where they need to be? I've never quite understood that. Just buy a finished horse and you will know exactly where you're at and what you're dealing with. Just my opinion, and certainly not meant to offend anyone.
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Location: Phoenix | I think the first mistake was sending the horse for more than 30 days. Sounds like the horse is blown/sulled up mentally. Typically when we put rides on our horses they get 30 days and then they get turned out. I would have sent him out for 30 days, turned out for the winter, and then back in the spring for another 30-60. |
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