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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-09-30 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start? *VIDEOS ADDED*


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Little bit of an update:rode him today and he was perfect. 100% sound. We have a lesson tomorrow night at 6 so will see how he does. I think I should still keep my appointment for Tuesday with the vet, right? I'm thinking still have her start with a lameness exam and x-rays. And then go from there. Even though I don't know what's wrong yet, I have learned my lesson already about doing a pre purchase exam. I don't regret buying him whatsoever! I truly love him, and he's been a great/fun teacher so far! I'm hoping it's nothing major. I really appreciated all of your insight and advice! I will update after our lesson.

Edited by emricmacy 2017-10-02 8:41 AM
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jake16
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Posted 2017-09-30 7:57 PM
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Yes keep your appt.update on that too please:)
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-02 4:16 AM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start?


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Well he came up lame yesterday in our lesson right out of the gate. I'm pretty frustrated. Saturday he was perfect. The walk and lope yesterday were flawless. She said she thinks it might be his right front that is bothering him. She said trotting to the left he moves out more and shows less signs of being off, but trotting right he doesn't want to extend out. I came to a halt in the arena and her and I talked for 15 min then went off in s trot, and he came up the lamest I have seen him yet. She also threw out the idea of arthritis..
His demeanor has not changed. He doesn't offer to buck, doesn't pin his ears, seems happy.
His pasture is extremely rocky, not sure if that plays any part.
She didn't feel any heat coming from him.
She also said maybe an abscess is forming?
She said she really likes BOT products, and said depending on what the vet finds, look into some of those products. Last week in VT the weather has been crazy, 85-90 degrees, and past few days high is around 50 with nights being in the 30's.
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hotpaints
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2017-10-02 5:40 AM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start?


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Check left stifle and hock since he is worse tracking right............standing around is the worst thing to do even when your instructor is talking, keep walking your horse around.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-02 6:58 AM
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Thanks! Will definitely not stand around again! I think the inconsistency is getting to me. I don't understand it! Sat he was perfect, and yesterday the trot was awful, but the canter is flawless. ActiFlex comes today, so will start him on that tomorrow, was already planning on doing so before all this.
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-02 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start? *VIDEOS ADDED*


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Here are three videos. They are not the best quality at all, I'm sorry. The two barrel racing videos are from last Sat. (Keep in mind, that was my 2nd time ever running barrels) The longer video is from yesterday. Again, I'm sorry for the quality. I really appreciate everyone helping me with his lameness issues. There are a couple times on the flat work video that you can see him tracking to the right, and he's off. I posted these videos for you all so maybe we can try to figure out the issue. Thank you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsJATyrH6Y Flatwork Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd51IMEVkrA Barrels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naWXCGiCrGM Barrels

Edited by emricmacy 2017-10-02 9:41 AM
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-02 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start?


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Just got a call from the barn manager, he is severely lame on his front end. She said he didn't even know what foot to stand on. My stomach is literally in knots! I can't believe this. I guess I'm in shock. Have had him for a little over a month..
I'm glad the barn manager called me, she said she put him outside, and he was acting a little better with movement. I am completely lost. I don't know what to do.
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2017-10-02 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start?



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Can you get the vet out now instead of tomorrow?
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-02 11:49 AM
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I'm going to call right now
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Meep.Meep
Reg. Jun 2017
Posted 2017-10-02 12:57 PM
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Sounds like hot nail/abcess. Hopefully the vet can come today. I'd probably pull the shoes and start wrapping with strong iodine if it were me.
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-02 1:18 PM
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Meep.Meep. Thank you! The barn manager said he was pretty bad when she led him to the pasture, but once he was moving, he was a little better. She said he looked tight.
I did break down and text his previous owner to get her opinion, and she said he only went lame for her when he had an abscess. My trainer did show me a few stretches, but she only stretched him for less than 5 min, just to show me how to do it, and he actually liked it. He just stood there, and enjoyed it. I don't think the stretches have anything to do with today? We took it easy yesterday in our lesson, no barrel practice, just w/t/l. He didn't buck, or do anything nasty to tell me he was in pain, and when I left him last night, he was happy and content.

I'm waiting to hear back from the vet, but I am going to go to the barn tonight either way! I will probably just hand walk him outside for a bit.
I did a little research on the older threads here and what about this mixture in case he has an abscess?
1 cup mud (such as Ice Tight)
1/4 cup Iccathamol
2 TBS Epsom Salts
1 tsp alum
Do I just mix it all together, and apply like a paste, and cover with vet wrap, then with duct tape? Sorry, I will most likely be doing this by myself, and want to get it right. I only have a Tractor Supply close to me, so I'm hoping they have all this, but I have to stop at the pharmacy tonight. Any advice to make this "easier" would be great!
He does NOT like puddle of water, so soaking in a water bath is probably out.
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horsegirl
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2017-10-02 1:28 PM
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emricmacy - 2017-10-02 2:18 PM Meep.Meep. Thank you! The barn manager said he was pretty bad when she led him to the pasture, but once he was moving, he was a little better. She said he looked tight. I did break down and text his previous owner to get her opinion, and she said he only went lame for her when he had an abscess. My trainer did show me a few stretches, but she only stretched him for less than 5 min, just to show me how to do it, and he actually liked it. He just stood there, and enjoyed it. I don't think the stretches have anything to do with today? We took it easy yesterday in our lesson, no barrel practice, just w/t/l. He didn't buck, or do anything nasty to tell me he was in pain, and when I left him last night, he was happy and content. I'm waiting to hear back from the vet, but I am going to go to the barn tonight either way! I will probably just hand walk him outside for a bit. I did a little research on the older threads here and what about this mixture in case he has an abscess? 1 cup mud (such as Ice Tight) 1/4 cup Iccathamol 2 TBS Epsom Salts 1 tsp alum Do I just mix it all together, and apply like a paste, and cover with vet wrap, then with duct tape? Sorry, I will most likely be doing this by myself, and want to get it right. I only have a Tractor Supply close to me, so I'm hoping they have all this, but I have to stop at the pharmacy tonight. Any advice to make this "easier" would be great! He does NOT like puddle of water, so soaking in a water bath is probably out.

I have always just soaked in Epsom salts. For a horse that will NOT do the bucket/pan of water method, you could pick up one of those medicine boots. TSC probably has one. I'd be a little ticked about the vet not calling me back for a horse in pain. 
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-02 1:49 PM
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Just talked to the vet, she doesn't think it's an abscess since he's been lame on and off for over a month. She said to give him some bute tonight, but not tomorrow, and she will see him tomorrow afternoon. She asked if he was laying down, not eating, and I said none of that, so she didn't feel like it was an emergency.
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Meep.Meep
Reg. Jun 2017
Posted 2017-10-02 1:52 PM
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I hope its something simple. Good luck!!
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horsegirl
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2017-10-03 9:49 AM
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I am curious about an update after the vet's visit. 
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Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2017-10-03 9:57 PM
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Update??
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2017-10-04 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start?


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Well the vet visit went good, she was very nice and thorough. His diagnosis is moderate/severe pasturn arthritis in his right front. Not exactly what we wanted to hear. We did a general exam and she thought he looked good, did flexion test, blocking, and then front X-rays. The blocking helped her narrow down what area is the problem, then the X-rays confirmed. It's pretty substantial arthritis. She said it was nothing I did, as I've only had him for little over a month. She said he's had this for a decent amount of time 1+ years.
Husband and I are pretty mad at ourselves, as we should have done a prepurchse exam, and we wouldn't have bought him. Vet believes previous owner buted him up. Lesson learned!! But, an expensive lesson! She said our only really treatment options are adequan injections IM once a month (after a loading dose) and inject the pasturn. She did prescribe previcox but said that not all horses respond to it.
Previcox=$36 for 40 days. 1/4 of a tables once a day
1 bottle adequan=$385
Injections in pasturn=$250-260
She said all horses respond differently to injections, and she said it would be worth it to try. She also said that some people have to inject the pasturn severe 6 months and others can get away with once a year. I'm also going to get a tub of bute from her this week in case he needs it.
I have him started on Actiflex pellets, and am wondering if I should keep him on what previous owner had him on Forefront Forebasics? Am I just wasting my money? What is it really doing? I'm almost out, so I need to decide.
Now that we have a diagnosis, I would appreciate any advice on what to do, maintenance care, supplements that might be beneficial, etc.
Would BOT quick wraps or bell boots be beneficial? I tried to upload his X-rays but it said they were too big.
Thanks everyone!

Edited by emricmacy 2017-10-04 5:28 AM
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rodeomom3
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2017-10-04 9:00 AM
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emricmacy - 2017-10-04 4:18 AM Well the vet visit went good, she was very nice and thorough. His diagnosis is moderate/severe pasturn arthritis in his right front. Not exactly what we wanted to hear. We did a general exam and she thought he looked good, did flexion test, blocking, and then front X-rays. The blocking helped her narrow down what area is the problem, then the X-rays confirmed. It's pretty substantial arthritis. She said it was nothing I did, as I've only had him for little over a month. She said he's had this for a decent amount of time 1+ years. Husband and I are pretty mad at ourselves, as we should have done a prepurchse exam, and we wouldn't have bought him. Vet believes previous owner buted him up. Lesson learned!! But, an expensive lesson! She said our only really treatment options are adequan injections IM once a month (after a loading dose) and inject the pasturn. She did prescribe previcox but said that not all horses respond to it. Previcox=$36 for 40 days. 1/4 of a tables once a day 1 bottle adequan=$385 Injections in pasturn=$250-260 She said all horses respond differently to injections, and she said it would be worth it to try. She also said that some people have to inject the pasturn severe 6 months and others can get away with once a year. I'm also going to get a tub of bute from her this week in case he needs it. I have him started on Actiflex pellets, and am wondering if I should keep him on what previous owner had him on Forefront Forebasics? Am I just wasting my money? What is it really doing? I'm almost out, so I need to decide. Now that we have a diagnosis, I would appreciate any advice on what to do, maintenance care, supplements that might be beneficial, etc. Would BOT quick wraps or bell boots be beneficial? I tried to upload his X-rays but it said they were too big. Thanks everyone!

So sorry, I would stick with the injectables-adequan.  There are a gazillion feed thru products and my personal opinion is very few of them are effective.  If you do use one look for one that is backed by research, proven that it is in a form  that can be absorbed by the stomach.  Many products just go right thru the horse.
You may be able to find previcox on line with a prescription from your vet.  I paid $130 for a bottle of 60 227mg tablets, 1/4 day so 240 days-8 months-$16 month.  This source is no longer available but Valley Vet has the 60 bottle for $156.  You can also get adequan on line. Good luck with him 
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horsegirl
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2017-10-04 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Lameness..where do I start?



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I don't believe in feed-through joint supplements, and there is some research on the lack of effectiveness as well readily available in publications and the internet. I would do the injection and the Adequan. You may want to ask if you could do Pentosan instead, however. It is cheaper (about 180/bottle) and it lasts about 6 months if you do a loading dose and a monthly followup. 
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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2017-10-04 9:14 AM
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emricmacy - 2017-10-04 4:18 AM Well the vet visit went good, she was very nice and thorough. His diagnosis is moderate/severe pasturn arthritis in his right front. Not exactly what we wanted to hear. We did a general exam and she thought he looked good, did flexion test, blocking, and then front X-rays. The blocking helped her narrow down what area is the problem, then the X-rays confirmed. It's pretty substantial arthritis. She said it was nothing I did, as I've only had him for little over a month. She said he's had this for a decent amount of time 1+ years. Husband and I are pretty mad at ourselves, as we should have done a prepurchse exam, and we wouldn't have bought him. Vet believes previous owner buted him up. Lesson learned!! But, an expensive lesson! She said our only really treatment options are adequan injections IM once a month (after a loading dose) and inject the pasturn. She did prescribe previcox but said that not all horses respond to it. Previcox=$36 for 40 days. 1/4 of a tables once a day 1 bottle adequan=$385 Injections in pasturn=$250-260 She said all horses respond differently to injections, and she said it would be worth it to try. She also said that some people have to inject the pasturn severe 6 months and others can get away with once a year. I'm also going to get a tub of bute from her this week in case he needs it. I have him started on Actiflex pellets, and am wondering if I should keep him on what previous owner had him on Forefront Forebasics? Am I just wasting my money? What is it really doing? I'm almost out, so I need to decide. Now that we have a diagnosis, I would appreciate any advice on what to do, maintenance care, supplements that might be beneficial, etc. Would BOT quick wraps or bell boots be beneficial? I tried to upload his X-rays but it said they were too big. Thanks everyone!

When the other people had this horse did they keep it stalled up or was it turned out in a pasture?  
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