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Location: west of East Texas | Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself! | |
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| chasendacash - 2017-10-09 1:39 AM Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself!
Guys, it is free for those on welfare and that will not change. My post refers to those that have insurance through a private employer, those who are gainfully employed and can afford to pay for it, though it might require a little budgeting, so it can continue to be provided for those who can’t. Everyone cannot continue to have a hand in the kitty for the many different issues that they feel government should pay for, we are going to continue to spiral into debt this country will never recover from, look at Greece. | |
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Location: Nebraska | BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside.
I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too?
I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.  | |
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| I agree with so many things said on this thread on both sides of the fence. As someone who works with inmates, I cant tell you how in favor I am in making sure people cannot have kids. It is so frustrating seeing someone in custody, high with 5 or 6 kids in the system already. However, these are the people who don't use the birth control whether it was free or not. These are the people who are too high to remember what day it is, let alone take a pill.
I also see so many children in the system, my sister runs a foster care non-profit to help these kids with essential needs when placed into foster care. I see these kids and they are not all "violent" but yes, many of them have issues. Some cognitive and some emotional and some both. It is super heartbreaking.
However, in one way, I very much appreciated free BC when I started adulthood... however, I think my insurance covered it?
And I also see so many babies out of wedlock. Unfortunately know a lot of people who wait to get married until after baby is born because they get the delivery costs paid for due to 1 income and being accepted into better assistance. | |
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| RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
Agree 100%, you pay a copay for your medication, I don’t understand the arguement that there should not be a copay for birth control when you have insurance through a private company, it is a prescription just let me other necessary medications. The argument is not whether it should be covered but should the employee have to pay a copay like they do for other medications, have 0 out of pocket costs. | |
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Location: sunny california | rodeomom3 - 2017-10-11 5:48 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
because all you have to do is be a little short one month and bam! preggers | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | rodeomom3 - 2017-10-11 7:48 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
There are plenty of other drugs that are free (zero co-pay). Often depends on whether they are generic or brand name and what drug tier the fall in. | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | chasendacash - 2017-10-09 1:39 AM Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself!
Of course they are "honored", the more babies you pop out, the bigger your check is every month. There is a whole lot more to fixing the system than whether or not BC is free. Forced sterilization sounds good to me, but of course that would be demeaning to those in need so that will never happen. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Barnmom - 2017-10-11 10:29 PM chasendacash - 2017-10-09 1:39 AM Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself! Of course they are "honored", the more babies you pop out, the bigger your check is every month. There is a whole lot more to fixing the system than whether or not BC is free. Forced sterilization sounds good to me, but of course that would be demeaning to those in need so that will never happen.
Welfare should be a "short term" solution......giving the person time to find a job....no job....no help! AND if you have a man in the house....kick his a$$ to the curb or he PAYS the welfare amount! | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-11 11:21 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-10-11 7:48 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
When things are given to you for free, you don't buy generic. | |
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| I didn't read everyone's response to the thread but
I've been paying my own BC for years, $10 a month for the sponsered generic at Sam's club. Not that pricey. I think wal-art and others offer it at the same cost.
I think the problem with some of it is alot cannot afford the appointment with the dr to even get the prescription. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | oranges - 2017-10-13 11:45 AM I didn't read everyone's response to the thread but I've been paying my own BC for years, $10 a month for the sponsered generic at Sam's club. Not that pricey. I think wal-art and others offer it at the same cost. I think the problem with some of it is alot cannot afford the appointment with the dr to even get the prescription.
There are a zillion clinics here in GA that are free. My daughter is a NP at one. All on a sliding scale and they don't check either. | |
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| Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Nateracer - 2017-10-13 12:20 PM Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it.
thats some convoluted logic right there | |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-10-13 11:36 AM Nateracer - 2017-10-13 12:20 PM Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it. thats some convoluted logic right there
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| And maybe, just maybe, that's why they offer it for free! To keep from having to pay for a bunch of little brats! But they sure can't force it down the throats of the worthless people out there who keep popping them out and taking our tax money! | |
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| Nateracer - 2017-10-13 11:47 AM And maybe, just maybe, that's why they offer it for free! To keep from having to pay for a bunch of little brats! But they sure can't force it down the throats of the worthless people out there who keep popping them out and taking our tax money!
People on welfare already get it for free and that is not going to change. | |
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| I may notagree with birth control but I still feel obligated to have the best insurance for all of my employees and the cost. Is very expensive but I know every one is covered.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2017-10-13 11:36 AM
Nateracer - 2017-10-13 12:20 PM Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it.
thats some convoluted logic right there
Man, you ain't a kiddin' 1D!
I don't even know where to start on that one. Of all the ridiculously expensive items we all have to pay for, there's a war going on over one of the cheapest items.....a $50 bottle of pills. | |
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