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So are you subject only to the laws of the state in which you're licensed even when traveling across state lines? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2017-12-01 12:13 PM So are you subject only to the laws of the state in which you're licensed even when traveling across state lines?
NO - it is federal law.
And then states can add on what they want.
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Location: Jersey Girl | I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
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Location: WI | fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 12:01 PM I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
AND, say I leave at 6am to get somewhere for exhibitions (2hr drive), and the race ends later than 3pm - I have to wait until 5am the next morning to drive home? |
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Location: OH | Trying to enforce trucks and horse trailers will get awfully sticky. They are saying a person needs a Class A CDL but that qualifies you to drive a semi truck and trailer. A guy right down the street from me got pulled over in his outfit for not having a CDL and got a ticket. He went and did the written part and got his permit and went to take the driving test. He went with his truck and trailer that he got the ticket with---they threw a fit saying he couldn't take the test in it, that it had to be a semi. He said, well---this is what I got the ticket in !!!!!!!!!! His ticket ended up getting thrown out. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | linds - 2017-12-01 1:44 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 12:01 PM I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
AND, say I leave at 6am to get somewhere for exhibitions (2hr drive), and the race ends later than 3pm - I have to wait until 5am the next morning to drive home?
I just don't know....based on what I read the clock starts ticking as soon as the vehicle moves over 5 mph. Any delays all count in the time.
Guess it would be the same if I go to that weekend race...? I leave at 11 am Friday but don't get back on the road til 2 pm Sunday. Its a 3 hour drive one way. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | Mighty Broke - 2017-12-01 1:56 PM Trying to enforce trucks and horse trailers will get awfully sticky. They are saying a person needs a Class A CDL but that qualifies you to drive a semi truck and trailer. A guy right down the street from me got pulled over in his outfit for not having a CDL and got a ticket. He went and did the written part and got his permit and went to take the driving test. He went with his truck and trailer that he got the ticket with---they threw a fit saying he couldn't take the test in it, that it had to be a semi. He said, well---this is what I got the ticket in !!!!!!!!!! His ticket ended up getting thrown out.
Thats exactly what my husband said about getting a CDL. He drove truck for many many years. He said they prob wouldn't allow you to take the test in a pick up. |
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Location: WI | fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 1:19 PM
linds - 2017-12-01 1:44 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 12:01 PM I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
AND, say I leave at 6am to get somewhere for exhibitions (2hr drive), and the race ends later than 3pm - I have to wait until 5am the next morning to drive home?
Guess it would be the same if I go to that weekend race...? I leave at 11 am Friday but don't get back on the road til 2 pm Sunday. Its a 3 hour drive one way.
In the scenario you described, you would be okay. BUT, better not unhook and go into town Saturday night for dinner (like I often do). If I go to dinner Saturday night at 8pm, my drive time lasts until 7am Sunday morning. Break time doesn't end until 5pm Sunday evening.
I hope I'm confused here? Can the rest time (10hours) start any earlier than 11hrs from the time you start driving? |
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Location: WI | Also, aren't we are all just one >$600 check away from being a business and it showing on our tax returns?
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Location: OH | linds - 2017-12-01 2:39 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 1:19 PM linds - 2017-12-01 1:44 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 12:01 PM I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
AND, say I leave at 6am to get somewhere for exhibitions (2hr drive), and the race ends later than 3pm - I have to wait until 5am the next morning to drive home?
Guess it would be the same if I go to that weekend race...? I leave at 11 am Friday but don't get back on the road til 2 pm Sunday. Its a 3 hour drive one way. In the scenario you described, you would be okay. BUT, better not unhook and go into town Saturday night for dinner (like I often do ). If I go to dinner Saturday night at 8pm, my drive time lasts until 7am Sunday morning. Break time doesn't end until 5pm Sunday evening. I hope I'm confused here? Can the rest time (10hours ) start any earlier than 11hrs from the time you start driving?
Yes---it would go from when you went Off Duty. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2017-12-01 1:54 PM
linds - 2017-12-01 2:39 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 1:19 PM linds - 2017-12-01 1:44 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 12:01 PM I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
AND, say I leave at 6am to get somewhere for exhibitions (2hr drive), and the race ends later than 3pm - I have to wait until 5am the next morning to drive home?
Guess it would be the same if I go to that weekend race...? I leave at 11 am Friday but don't get back on the road til 2 pm Sunday. Its a 3 hour drive one way. In the scenario you described, you would be okay. BUT, better not unhook and go into town Saturday night for dinner (like I often do ). If I go to dinner Saturday night at 8pm, my drive time lasts until 7am Sunday morning. Break time doesn't end until 5pm Sunday evening. I hope I'm confused here? Can the rest time (10hours ) start any earlier than 11hrs from the time you start driving?
But what is considered off duty? If I drive the dually to work without a trailer at 8am, go to lunch at noon, drive home and hook it to a trailer at 4pm to drive 2.5 hours to a rodeo...did my 14 hrs of drive time start at 8am or 4pm when I hooked onto the trailer and my 9900gvwr truck became a commercial vechicle?
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Location: OH | OhMax - 2017-12-01 3:19 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-12-01 1:54 PM linds - 2017-12-01 2:39 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 1:19 PM linds - 2017-12-01 1:44 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 12:01 PM I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
AND, say I leave at 6am to get somewhere for exhibitions (2hr drive), and the race ends later than 3pm - I have to wait until 5am the next morning to drive home?
Guess it would be the same if I go to that weekend race...? I leave at 11 am Friday but don't get back on the road til 2 pm Sunday. Its a 3 hour drive one way. In the scenario you described, you would be okay. BUT, better not unhook and go into town Saturday night for dinner (like I often do ). If I go to dinner Saturday night at 8pm, my drive time lasts until 7am Sunday morning. Break time doesn't end until 5pm Sunday evening. I hope I'm confused here? Can the rest time (10hours ) start any earlier than 11hrs from the time you start driving? But what is considered off duty? If I drive the dually to work without a trailer at 8am, go to lunch at noon, drive home and hook it to a trailer at 4pm to drive 2.5 hours to a rodeo...did my 14 hrs of drive time start at 8am or 4pm when I hooked onto the trailer and my 9900gvwr truck became a commercial vechicle?
Your point is exactly why this will be practically unenforcable---but I am guessing it would be when you hooked to the trailer. Our ELD's have a personal coneyance mode on them---this is used when the truck is being test driven after a repair or when a driver takes it home to clean it on a weekend and such. I am thinking this is what would be used when you are using it as a personal vehicle. |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Mighty Broke - 2017-12-01 12:32 PM OhMax - 2017-12-01 3:19 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-12-01 1:54 PM linds - 2017-12-01 2:39 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 1:19 PM linds - 2017-12-01 1:44 PM fulltiltfilly - 2017-12-01 12:01 PM I have read thru the ELD Mandate.....
If I understood it correctly if you haul with someone to split costs, you are considered commercial. If you travel out of state to a show, you are considered commercial.
I try and go a few times a year to a weekend race in PA, 170 miles away and my friend and I go together to split expenses. So just based on that, I would be required to get one installed in my personal truck. My dually GVW is 8600. Not sure how much with the trailer on....8ft short wall 3 horse. Guess I need to find that out.
Who do we complain to have this changed???
AND, say I leave at 6am to get somewhere for exhibitions (2hr drive), and the race ends later than 3pm - I have to wait until 5am the next morning to drive home?
Guess it would be the same if I go to that weekend race...? I leave at 11 am Friday but don't get back on the road til 2 pm Sunday. Its a 3 hour drive one way. In the scenario you described, you would be okay. BUT, better not unhook and go into town Saturday night for dinner (like I often do ). If I go to dinner Saturday night at 8pm, my drive time lasts until 7am Sunday morning. Break time doesn't end until 5pm Sunday evening. I hope I'm confused here? Can the rest time (10hours ) start any earlier than 11hrs from the time you start driving? But what is considered off duty? If I drive the dually to work without a trailer at 8am, go to lunch at noon, drive home and hook it to a trailer at 4pm to drive 2.5 hours to a rodeo...did my 14 hrs of drive time start at 8am or 4pm when I hooked onto the trailer and my 9900gvwr truck became a commercial vechicle?
The Problem is also - if you work during the week those are considered "on duty hours" even if you are NOT driving and in an office.
So you work 40 hours and some overtime, go to a big race over three days and "run out of hours" and go over the 14 hour rule etc. Where was the outrage over this Bull S**t law a couple of years ago? Also keep in mind if you have an older pickup (engine pre-2000) you can run "paper logs" so no ELD. Keep in mind the ELD is hooked to the computer of the truck. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 3canstorun - 2017-12-01 11:35 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2017-12-01 12:13 PM So are you subject only to the laws of the state in which you're licensed even when traveling across state lines?
And then states can add on what they want.
Read the link and you’ll see what I’m talking about. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I personally think they have bigger fish to fry than horse people when it comes to the logs. The more people freak out and contact agencies asking tons of questions - the more the DOT is going to think they need to start checking into us. My husband is a commercial driver and has the ELS installed in his semi. He also said less is more when drawing attention to the horse people |
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| What about tag team drivers? If going on a long drive we sometimes change drivers, how do the devices know of the change?
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Just a Yankee
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | euchee - 2017-12-01 6:44 PM What about tag team drivers? If going on a long drive we sometimes change drivers, how do the devices know of the change?
You have to go into the device and log driver 1 as not driving (sleeper birth) and driver 2 as on duty driving.
?I refuse to have ELD's so I've gone to pre-ELD trucks. I can't afford another monthly payment for a tattle tale. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2017-12-01 8:32 PM
I personally think they have bigger fish to fry than horse people when it comes to the logs. The more people freak out and contact agencies asking tons of questions - the more the DOT is going to think they need to start checking into us. My husband is a commercial driver and has the ELS installed in his semi. He also said less is more when drawing attention to the horse people
I generally agree with this when you’re in the process of driving from A to B. I think generally speaking the DOT doesn’t want to hassle with livestock on the side of the road either - especially in the summer.
More than likely we won’t do anything differently until we’re clearly instructed to.
The policing of specific events would concern me more, sitting outside large venues hosting big equine events or rodeos. |
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Location: SE KS | Lucylouwon - 2017-12-02 7:20 AM euchee - 2017-12-01 6:44 PM What about tag team drivers? If going on a long drive we sometimes change drivers, how do the devices know of the change?
You have to go into the device and log driver 1 as not driving (sleeper birth) and driver 2 as on duty driving.
?I refuse to have ELD's so I've gone to pre-ELD trucks. I can't afford another monthly payment for a tattle tale.
Just a tid bit here - if the law goes in to effect and you get cuaght and this law becomes where it affects us - it is felony and will go towards you on your record. A FELONY!!!!
My husband does OTR hauling liviestock - so it will affect us - if your trucks are 2000 or older you are not required to have an ELD>
also for those that are saying I'm just headed to the vet or trail ride - the HP may just escort you to the vet or to your trail ride -..... keep that in mind. I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry - but you nenver know and I'm not willing to risk it....
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I just pulled the regs for recreational vehicle exemptions in Oklahoma. I contend that my rig falls within those rules. That is my story and I am sticking to it until I am forced to a new tract!!! |
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