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If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
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I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
Yes, and lots of good honest people have proven the bloodlines behind some of the more successful sires. It is possible to be honest AND want to be smart with your money and mare by breeding to proven and successful bloodlines.
Oh I agree with going with more proven lines first but these are out crosses that are proven themselves and have colts winning, so would be a good choice if looking outside the box. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Which ones of those three that you mentioned sold a get for over $100K after the derby year?
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| oija - 2018-02-02 11:05 AM Outcrosses are good in general but it's also possible to breed proven sires, producers and performers, on the outside of the wheel who have slightly less common lines. Bullseye Bullion is one of these that would cross well on a DTF or ASOF or FWF or FG because he has none of those on his papers. And while some of the race breds will have common lines back three or four generations, that doesn't strike me as terribly line bred. And you discount the fact that a select group of buyers actually like a little smart line breeding here and there. At the end of the day, most breeders have to make a buck and don't want to gamble with their best mares. They want the best prospect or resale for their investment. It's good business. And let's be honest, those lines WIN. I would certainly not mind seeing a nice complete outcross come into our industry but at some point he would just become part of the wheel too. If it is that big of a deal, there's lots of nice weanling colts sold every spring and summer. Buy one and give us and prove that outcross and then we can all come to you. :)
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oija - 2018-02-02 11:05 AM Outcrosses are good in general but it's also possible to breed proven sires, producers and performers, on the outside of the wheel who have slightly less common lines. Bullseye Bullion is one of these that would cross well on a DTF or ASOF or FWF or FG because he has none of those on his papers. And while some of the race breds will have common lines back three or four generations, that doesn't strike me as terribly line bred. And you discount the fact that a select group of buyers actually like a little smart line breeding here and there. At the end of the day, most breeders have to make a buck and don't want to gamble with their best mares. They want the best prospect or resale for their investment. It's good business. And let's be honest, those lines WIN. I would certainly not mind seeing a nice complete outcross come into our industry but at some point he would just become part of the wheel too. If it is that big of a deal, there's lots of nice weanling colts sold every spring and summer. Buy one and give us and prove that outcross and then we can all come to you. :)
I think Bullseye Bullion looks like a great outcross for the industry, hopefully he produces. Blazin Jetolena is another one I like.
Agree! And if you want to go more performance horse lines as versus race, there are plenty of those in my opinion. We have tons of really nice stallions in our industry at all price ranges. |
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| 3canstorun - 2018-02-02 11:15 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned, not one that sold over but 3:
Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B.
Here is a link http://duke-racing.com/stallions with more info on others such as Star 67 the Henning's have and All Legs N Diamonds which
sold for good money
Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests
Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at
Kinder Cup last night.
Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady
The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two.
There is a Docs Gettin Reckless gelding out of a DTF mare bred by RSL Enterprises in the Kinder sale this weekend, we will see if it brings over the breeding fee.
Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual.
Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures, currently being ridden up Destri for the Chouests
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:59 AM
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If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
I didn't read any where that WB was attacking you, looks like a normal everyday discussion. 
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 11:47 AM
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If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
I didn't read any where that WB was attacking you, looks like a normal everyday discussion.
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3canstorun - 2018-02-02 11:15 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned:
Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B.
Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests
Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at
Kinder Cup last night.
Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures ) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady
The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two.
Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual.
Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures
You see the SB and BB more on bottom sides so its good to have it on the top side. I said he was an outcross for most of the major sire lines. So if you had a daughter of DTF, FWF, or FG for instance, it would be an outcross (depending on her bottom side of course). That would be on the outside of the wheel (to use your reference). Blazin Jetolena that WB mentioned would offer a similar option. Even SBD has some less common running lines and dam's side than many barrel horses. In my opinion, a lot of cutting horses have a considerably smaller set of breeding lines. |
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| oija - 2018-02-02 12:11 PM
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned:
Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B.
Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests
Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at
Kinder Cup last night.
Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures ) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady
The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two.
There is a Docs Getting Reckless out of a DTF mare bred by RSL enterprises in the Kinder sale Hip 4. I guess we will see what it brings, if it brings over the cost of breeding.
Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual.
Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures
You see the SB and BB more on bottom sides so its good to have it on the top side. I said he was an outcross for most of the major sire lines. So if you had a daughter of DTF, FWF, or FG for instance, it would be an outcross (depending on her bottom side of course ). That would be on the outside of the wheel (to use your reference ). Blazin Jetolena that WB mentioned would offer a similar option. Even SBD has some less common running lines and dam's side than many barrel horses. In my opinion, a lot of cutting horses have a considerably smaller set of breeding lines.
Your right I don't think any BB studs have made it, they are hard headed suckers. I know they debated gelding him for that reason.
I love BB on the bottom crossed with R. Smith it has produced horses such as this mare that Carly T. rides http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/diva+dinero
Yes I know Dinero is from popular lines but the mare, that Lauren M. lost is no longer with us to see what all she would have produced. I would love for people to share any offspring from R. Smith lines that they have on this out cross thread!
R. Smith is definitely out of the gene puddle but has been on the bottom of some greats.
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Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:16 AM oija - 2018-02-02 12:11 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:43 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-02 11:15 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned: Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B. Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at Kinder Cup last night. Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures ) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two. There is a Docs Getting Reckless out of a DTF mare bred by RSL enterprises in the Kinder sale Hip 4. I guess we will see what it brings, if it brings over the cost of breeding. Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual. Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures You see the SB and BB more on bottom sides so its good to have it on the top side. I said he was an outcross for most of the major sire lines. So if you had a daughter of DTF, FWF, or FG for instance, it would be an outcross (depending on her bottom side of course ). That would be on the outside of the wheel (to use your reference ). Blazin Jetolena that WB mentioned would offer a similar option. Even SBD has some less common running lines and dam's side than many barrel horses. In my opinion, a lot of cutting horses have a considerably smaller set of breeding lines. Your right I don't think any BB studs have made it, they are hard headed suckers. I know they debated gelding him for that reason. I love BB on the bottom crossed with R. Smith it has produced horses such as this mare that Carly T. rides http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/diva+dinero Yes I know Dinero is from popular lines but the mare, that Lauren M. lost is no longer with us to see what all she would have produced. I would love for people to share any offspring from R. Smith lines that they have on this out cross thread! R. Smith is definitely out of the gene puddle but has been on the bottom of some greats.
BB just hasn't been a successful sire of sires. Bullseye Bullion is sure nice, and he may be The One. I sure admire him. |
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So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. |
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 9:37 AM rpreast - 2018-02-02 9:34 AM I was curious to see if anyone had brought up Runner. He's apparently fabulous to be around and a hell of a head horse for Garret as well. Them Magnolia Bar horses are great to be around and sure will steal your heart!  Too bad we lost Magnolia Bar Jet! Oh another line is Dinkys Redman! Amy Belk in TN still has a lot of those!
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joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM
So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | joemama - 2018-02-02 1:24 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:06 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered. Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times? You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter. http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/ Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. Almost every well known race is this way, why? If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Because not every horse can be a winner at each event? FDD is by far the leading sire of money earners. But not all his offspring win every single race. There may be 20 get in a time trial, 5 may make the finals in a 10 horse field. But often at least 1 is in the top 3. He is popular because of that. He betters your odds at having a winning race horse. Same with leading barrel sires, even as grandget they better your odds at winning, but they can't guarantee it. I am not interested in a one hit wonder that wins 3 slot races and takes home $200,000 while no other siblings win anything. I want one that in a field of 100 horses, the top 10 are by my same sire (if I were buying/training/riding) for the futurities. Money talks. |
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So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Well you want one out of a nice mare such as Mistys Dash OF Fame. She has 3 awesome colts doing well this year.
Most people never take into account the high volume of mares bred to FG, DTF, etc
Some lesser known small stud crop sires produce high numbers as the ones I posted early.
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 9:37 AM rpreast - 2018-02-02 9:34 AM I was curious to see if anyone had brought up Runner. He's apparently fabulous to be around and a hell of a head horse for Garret as well. Them Magnolia Bar horses are great to be around and sure will steal your heart! Too bad we lost Magnolia Bar Jet! Oh another line is Dinkys Redman! Amy Belk in TN still has a lot of those!
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2018-02-02 2:34 PM
joemama - 2018-02-02 1:24 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:06 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered. Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times? You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter. http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/ Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. Almost every well known race is this way, why? If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
He betters your odds?
How many of his babies hit the ground every year vs win races?
Or he "betters your odds" when paired with winning trainers and jockeys?
I think great trainers and jockeys better your odds more than any stud.
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joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM
So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Well you want one out of a nice mare such as Mistys Dash OF Fame. She has 3 awesome colts doing well this year.
Most people never take into account the high volume of mares bred to FG, DTF, etc
Some lesser known small stud crop sires produce high numbers as the ones I posted early.
Agreed.
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| joemama - 2018-02-02 3:21 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:40 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 2:24 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:06 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered. Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times? You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter. http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/ Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. Almost every well known race is this way, why? If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time? Well you want one out of a nice mare such as Mistys Dash OF Fame. She has 3 awesome colts doing well this year. Most people never take into account the high volume of mares bred to FG, DTF, etc Some lesser known small stud crop sires produce high numbers as the ones I posted early. Agreed. MARE POWER!
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