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| Question Paint people didn't they just do away with the crop out rule this year? http://apha.com/news/take-a-shot-at-regular-registry-with-a-new-aph...
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Location: WYOMING | There is a stigma. I hear it all the time “I dont like paints but yours I would take”...and they are harder to sell in most cases. I once was not a fan either but...
I have a 1D paint daughter of Guys French Jet (Treasured Too on the bottom) and her winnings spend just as easy as any a QH would win (and we look fancier winning it too!).
Here she is this past weekend one of only 4 who ran 1D out of 160 horses.
https://youtu.be/ddWde53ZX4k
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Best way to market one is to win on it. I think the stigma is slowly changing but still has a ways to go!
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| Only horse I have REALLY regretted selling was a solid Paint by Treasured Too - to this day, I'm still kicking myself. He went on to be a really good rope horse, won numerous buckles, saddles and trailers. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I guess the stigma is still there to some extent. I personally look for the same attributes in paints as I do in any horse. At this time I have two paints in my barn - A son of Treasured Too who is still at 20 is running like a haint, and another by Country Quick Dash out of a Daughter of Judy's Lineage who is showing a lot of promise after a decent career on the track. We also have a QH mare that has full paint papers as a crop out. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | I started off on paints, and they were GREAT horses... If there was a paint out there I liked... I would buy it... I have NO problem with paints .... at all :)
As a matter of fact, my paints were grade too... lol and they had more try and heart then size... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Addressing paint speed:
You've obviously never seen Sparkles The Wonder Horse at feeding time at my crib lol. She can down right fly lol. |
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This just says that horse that are registered as solid paints can advance to the regular registry if they meet certain requirements.
CROP-OUT PAINTS are the foundation paints that were and still are AQHA horses that could not be registered in AQHA because of excessive white. (this policy has been relaxed by AQHA and I am sure BF Phillips would turn over in his grave). SOLID COLOR PAINTS do not fit the requirements for regular paint registry. In other words, they don't have enough white in certain areas.
At one time (as part of the let's screw up APHA project) they quit allowing CROP-OUTS to be registered. All paints had to have at least one paint parent. Someone woke up and realized how much money APHA was loosing because they were not registering these horses. The rule was rescended (changed back).
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| streakysox - 2018-02-12 1:52 PM
This just says that horse that are registered as solid paints can advance to the regular registry if they meet certain requirements.
CROP-OUT PAINTS are the foundation paints that were and still are AQHA horses that could not be registered in AQHA because of excessive white. (this policy has been relaxed by AQHA and I am sure BF Phillips would turn over in his grave ). SOLID COLOR PAINTS do not fit the requirements for regular paint registry. In other words, they don't have enough white in certain areas.
At one time (as part of the let's screw up APHA project ) they quit allowing CROP-OUTS to be registered. All paints had to have at least one paint parent. Someone woke up and realized how much money APHA was loosing because they were not registering these horses. The rule was rescended (changed back ).
You need to understand that horse that are registered as solid color paints are NOT crop-outs.
No I understand that solid paints are not crop out AQHAs. I was confused on the wording bc it's an amendment to the original and said APHA parents only. I dunno all their lego. I guess that was about classes when showing.
I'm confused by all their rules I just remember it being a big uproar around all those Country Quick Dash AQHAs whipping up on the paint field.
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| We have been testing at school and captured me. Ugh!
Here is my vent about APHA. I have a list.
The APHA just had their world Show in SEPT. Not one word was mentioned in BARREL HORSE NEWS. AQHA had their world show in NOV. There was coverage (although sketchy) in BARREL HORSE NEWS. The only place that I saw anything was in the PAINT HORSE JOURNAL. How many of you get the JOURNAL? If you want to promote your barrel horses, get them out where barrel people will see them. Personally, I like to see who is winning up on the East Coast or in California so I thoroughly check out BHN. There are a lot of people who would like to see some paints winning.
At the APHA World Show there is a Sweepstakes Barrel Race which is advertised as 4D. Ad says $6500 added money. Sounds GOOD!!!!! This is how it works--not exactly 4D. Farnham gives $3000 which is awarded to the horse with the fastest time. (NOT SPLIT WITH THE 4D) Since APHA has to separate the regular registry horses from the solid paints, the remaining $3500 is split between between these two separate barrel races. so now we are talking $1750 added money in each barrel race. The entry fee is about $100 plus a mandatory stall fee of $60, office fee $40, and drug testing fee of about $25. You are looking at $225 entry fee to run for $1750. Around here we pay about $35 for that kind of added money. When I asked a representative of APHA I was told that Farnham wanted their money to go to the fastest time. They usually have about 40 entries. If they had it set up as a regular 4D with one race they would have over 200 entries.
PBRIP is almost as bad. I was at a barrel race which had 450+ entries. There was a PBRIP sidepot. It had $500 added money, 4D This was divided between two days. Fastest horse got the added money. There were about 8 entries, EIGHT!!! I am not upset that I did not win, but if it was supposed to be a 4D, that is the way the money should be paid out. Don't advertise all this added money if it is not split between the 4D's
Then there is the point system for the PBRIP. That goes by the number of barrel racers at a race. That is fine but when you have 8 entries it is a a little hard to get points. Also, 1D gets more points that 4D. So with 8 entries 4D gets maybe one point for first. You would have to see the "NEW" point system to understand. I understand that up North there are a lot of people who enter PBRIP but not around here.
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| BILLY SMITH Executive Secretary of APHA and the other entrenched non-horse
owners are the problem at APHA.
BILLY SMITH is one of the people that destroyed the Appy Horse Association by
crazy color rules and changing rules after breeders had setup their breeding
programs by the current rules for that breeding year.
APHA closed the doors on SBP racing prospects and so like other paint breeders
I sold off my paints even tho I am a life APHA member. You can't spend 5-6k$
raising a baby and sell for 2k at Heritage Place for very long when you have
APHA changing rules all the time.
SINFULLY SASSY blk/tobiano was the last of my paint barrel horses I sold ..
https://youtu.be/IRKVy_CZyhQ
https://youtu.be/dpxtk66pSzA
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sinfully+sassy2
WINNER STORM
Ran out ~90K$ with SI 105. 102 etc including match race winnings.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winner+storm
ARTIC STORM one of the most talented arena horses I ever owned
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/artic+storm
R STAR .. I sold this mare when Marthas Six Moons passed away
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/r+star
HEMPENS EASY CRUISER .. fabulously bred mare and producer
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hempens+easy+cruiser
Due to the craziest rules in racing by color the purses at tracks for
the paint horses are now half of what qh's are ... due to the fact
they can't make a field of 10 in a paint race since there are no
longer any serious breeders of paints.
APHA is like Washington DC .. lots of old swamp creatures running
the place ... you have to get rid of them before things will change at APHA!!
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Location: NC | Currently have 2 solids in my pasture. Ones 22 this year and is still as stocky and wide as all get out. Has more energy then the energizer bunny but my 66 yr old mom runs him and I know shes safe. Have had him 14 years and hell never go anywhere. Most people think hes a qh.
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22730052_1015511215899...
The other is my 15 yr old sorrel with 2 blue eyes. You can ride him in anything and he listens. He can be a bit nervous if he senses you are but hes not crazy about it.
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20031575_1015484665184...
Like others said if they work with my program I dont judge
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | BFN - 2018-02-11 5:08 PM
I own a Poodle...that's enough white to have to keep clean for me. ;-)
Nothing against a Paint....I just don't want to have to try and keep one looking clean.
This is one of my reasons for not wanting a colored paint. The other reason is I don't want to have to pay double the membership fees, double the stallion reports and get nothing for them especially if they aren't colored. Then I recently sold my AQHA mares with lots of white too for reason number 1 and because if they do come out with belly spots (AQHA) I have to pay for parentage verification. Just a PITA all around. |
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Location: WYOMING | OregonBR - 2018-02-12 6:30 PM
BFN - 2018-02-11 5:08 PM
I own a Poodle...that's enough white to have to keep clean for me. ;-)
Nothing against a Paint....I just don't want to have to try and keep one looking clean.
This is one of my reasons for not wanting a colored paint. The other reason is I don't want to have to pay double the membership fees, double the stallion reports and get nothing for them especially if they aren't colored. Then I recently sold my AQHA mares with lots of white too for reason number 1 and because if they do come out with belly spots (AQHA ) I have to pay for parentage verification. Just a PITA all around.
Yall dont know about the green stuff!!! Its a spray to spray on and wipe off the white areas. Its the bomb! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | geronabean - 2018-02-12 3:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-12 6:30 PM
BFN - 2018-02-11 5:08 PM
I own a Poodle...that's enough white to have to keep clean for me. ;-)
Nothing against a Paint....I just don't want to have to try and keep one looking clean.
This is one of my reasons for not wanting a colored paint. The other reason is I don't want to have to pay double the membership fees, double the stallion reports and get nothing for them especially if they aren't colored. Then I recently sold my AQHA mares with lots of white too for reason number 1 and because if they do come out with belly spots (AQHA ) I have to pay for parentage verification. Just a PITA all around.
Yall dont know about the green stuff!!! Its a spray to spray on and wipe off the white areas. Its the bomb!
Do you do the whole horse? Cause I live where there is mud 9 months of the year. They always roll and get covered in mud.
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Location: sunny california | streakysox - 2018-02-12 11:52 AM This just says that horse that are registered as solid paints can advance to the regular registry if they meet certain requirements. CROP-OUT PAINTS are the foundation paints that were and still are AQHA horses that could not be registered in AQHA because of excessive white. (this policy has been relaxed by AQHA and I am sure BF Phillips would turn over in his grave ). SOLID COLOR PAINTS do not fit the requirements for regular paint registry. In other words, they don't have enough white in certain areas. At one time (as part of the let's screw up APHA project ) they quit allowing CROP-OUTS to be registered. All paints had to have at least one paint parent. Someone woke up and realized how much money APHA was loosing because they were not registering these horses. The rule was rescended (changed back ). You need to understand that horse that are registered as solid color paints are NOT crop-outs.
I miss the days of the crop outs. you could get you self a very nice Mr. Gunsmoke for cheap |
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| kwanatha - 2018-02-12 6:21 PM
streakysox - 2018-02-12 11:52 AM This just says that horse that are registered as solid paints can advance to the regular registry if they meet certain requirements. CROP-OUT PAINTS are the foundation paints that were and still are AQHA horses that could not be registered in AQHA because of excessive white. (this policy has been relaxed by AQHA and I am sure BF Phillips would turn over in his grave ). SOLID COLOR PAINTS do not fit the requirements for regular paint registry. In other words, they don't have enough white in certain areas. At one time (as part of the let's screw up APHA project ) they quit allowing CROP-OUTS to be registered. All paints had to have at least one paint parent. Someone woke up and realized how much money APHA was loosing because they were not registering these horses. The rule was rescended (changed back ). You need to understand that horse that are registered as solid color paints are NOT crop-outs.
HAHAHHA she know what i'm talking about 
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Location: Arkansas | scwebster - 2018-02-12 10:27 AM
Lets not forget that bad little sucker Samantha Lyne rode. Jimmy Choo. Hes owned by a young lady not far from me and he is still tough even with only one eye! Colby Lovell owned a nice paint that was roped on at the NFR several times. Brad Culpepper's yellow and white paint is another of my favorites. He was won a truck load heeling on him at every major rodeo and the NFR. I love that horse! My husband had a lot of success on a grade paint mare heeling. We still see her at the ammy rodeos. Shes probably 18 now and going strong.
We are always on the lookout for a special prospect that has eye catching color/good breeding. We picked up this little fella from Colby not long ago. He is bred similar to his other paint that did so well. I believe hes by a Smart Little Lena son out of a Delta Flyer mare (waiting on his papers to come back). Hes 18 MO. Has a fanastic mind. So far so good.
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| Chandler's Mom - 2018-02-12 8:59 PM
scwebster - 2018-02-12 10:27 AM
Lets not forget that bad little sucker Samantha Lyne rode. Jimmy Choo. Hes owned by a young lady not far from me and he is still tough even with only one eye! Colby Lovell owned a nice paint that was roped on at the NFR several times. Brad Culpepper's yellow and white paint is another of my favorites. He was won a truck load heeling on him at every major rodeo and the NFR. I love that horse! My husband had a lot of success on a grade paint mare heeling. We still see her at the ammy rodeos. Shes probably 18 now and going strong.
We are always on the lookout for a special prospect that has eye catching color/good breeding. We picked up this little fella from Colby not long ago. He is bred similar to his other paint that did so well. I believe hes by a Smart Little Lena son out of a Delta Flyer mare (waiting on his papers to come back). Hes 18 MO. Has a fanastic mind. So far so good.
Love the breeding on this cute little sucker! Hope you have much success with him
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| geronabean - 2018-02-12 5:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-12 6:30 PM
BFN - 2018-02-11 5:08 PM
I own a Poodle...that's enough white to have to keep clean for me. ;-)
Nothing against a Paint....I just don't want to have to try and keep one looking clean.
This is one of my reasons for not wanting a colored paint. The other reason is I don't want to have to pay double the membership fees, double the stallion reports and get nothing for them especially if they aren't colored. Then I recently sold my AQHA mares with lots of white too for reason number 1 and because if they do come out with belly spots (AQHA ) I have to pay for parentage verification. Just a PITA all around.
Yall dont know about the green stuff!!! Its a spray to spray on and wipe off the white areas. Its the bomb!
I live on a red clay hill and don't have a problem keeping mine clean. Hardly ever give him a bath but if I do he stays really white for a month. Usually just rinse him with one of those wash wands. I can be pretty certain in my avatar he had not had a bath |
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