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| barrelracingchick16 - 2018-04-10 4:40 PM emricmacy - 2018-04-10 2:11 PM Would it be worth it to not put a needle in again to get joint fluid to test and treat with antibiotics to see if he gets better? I know any time going into a joint is invasive, so was wondering if I could treat with antibiotics without testing fluid? To treat a joint infection you need to put antibiotics directly into the joint, as well as lavage sterile fluid through the joint. So regardless, if you are sticking needles in the joint for that you should also get a fluid sample to confirm infection +/- culture to be able to make appropriate antibiotic selection.
My gelding stepped on a nail and infected his coffin joint. The process to treat him was:get a sample of the joint fluid for culture to determine antibiotics, administer antibiotics directly into the joint and also by perfusion, flushed the joint 48 hours after antibiotics given. He repeated this process several times, including getting samples of joint fluid to see if the infection was subsiding. My horse stayed at the clinic about a week. |
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Location: South Georgia | Update? I have been worrying. |
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| Update:
Vet apt went well this afternoon. It is not a hot nail. The recent shoeing changes, adding a pad to his heel was too much of a drastic change. The pad the farrier put in is very hard, and does not offer much support, which he needs. Vet has contacted a VERY well known farrier in my area who specializes in "problem" cases, and is going to come out and take a look at him, with my vet at the same. Going to come up with a new shoeing plan, lightly tack a shoe on, take an x ray, and see where it goes from there. He will be moving to a new barn that is 24/7 turnout, so will see if that helps some. His high ringbone has changed some in 6 months. We are talking about IRAP or Osphos. He did great all fall and winter, once a week very intense lessons with my trainer, and riding 3-4 days a week. We were looking forward to our first barrel race Saturday, but that's not in the cards. Vet said we can try some corrective shoeing, and possibly trying IRAP or Osphos. If the combination does not work, we will have to make a decision. I'm sad, as I've only had my horse 9 months and we worked hard all fall and winter getting him in shape, and I've had a lot of fun with him! But, if this combination does not work, I will be out of money, and will make a decision based on how he is doing. This horse gets everything that could possibly help him. Adequan, previcox, chiro, good feed, good hay, quality supplements, love, PHT..I'm doing all I can, and I hope the new farrier can help! If not, I will have to stop.. |
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Location: South Georgia | I feel for you. It's not easy, and incredibly frustrating. |
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| How can it be the farriers fault if he didn't reset him until 2 weeks after injection? Vet grasping at straws? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Meep.Meep - 2018-04-13 8:09 AM How can it be the farriers fault if he didn't reset him until 2 weeks after injection? Vet grasping at straws?
I was wondering the same thing. I think vet is trying to cover her own a$$! |
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The One
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Location: South Georgia | Meep.Meep - 2018-04-13 9:09 AM How can it be the farriers fault if he didn't reset him until 2 weeks after injection? Vet grasping at straws?
Agree. This vet is apparently very persuasive and convincing, it sounds. |
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| I'm just so lost. I asked if she wanted to treat with antibiotics just for the heck of it to see if it made a difference, and she didn't want to do that. Had another vet out yesterday at the same time from VA and she said the same thing as my vet. I asked about alcohol fusion, and they said they don't recommend it as the success rate is so low. The talked about corrective shoeing, and Osphos. The vet from VA said she has had good luck with feeding the supplement Flexadin. I haven't been able to find too much info on it. My goal is to get him back to how he was a month ago, ready to go to barrel races, and working 3-4 days a week. Vet said that she can't guarantee that and I will be out of options if Osphos and corrective shoeing do not work. |
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Location: OH. IO | YOU ARE THE HORSES OWNER.YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET A SAMPLE OF FLUID.YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET RESULTS.ONE VET WILL MOST LIKELY NEVER GO AGAINST YOUR VET ON THE SAME SCENE UNLESS THEY HAVE THE BALLS TO DO SO.YOU VET IS TRYING TO COVER HER ASS.BOTTOM LINE IS GET A DIFFERENT VET,GET FLUID SAMPLE,TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR HORSE AND THE MONEY YOU ARE PAYING OUT. THIS HORSE DESERVES A BETTER VET.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would stop dinking around with these Vets and haul this horse to a good lameness Vet and get to the bottom of all this, you are wasting time and money and this poor horses soundness, befor this Vet started injecting this horse he was doing really good {going on what you have been telling us since you bought him}, you need to find a good lameness Vet and stop dealing with this one that cause all this mess with your horse.
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| Exactly! Don't even tell your vet that you are seeking a second opinion because she clearly has influence over you and another vet is not going to go against her in front of you. Go to someone else she has NOT consulted with- the best lameness vet you can find with this detailed timeline. I feel bad for your horse.
Edited to add: I am not bad mouthing your vet, but sometimes a fresh set of eyes and ideas is the best thing. If she's giving her two cents and opinions, then the other vet may overlook something. Then you will have a true comparison.
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| I just talked to a well known equine hospital 2 hrs from me, and they will see us, only if my vet will refer us, and send all his records to this hospital. I didn't realize they were a referral hospital. |
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Location: South Georgia | emricmacy - 2018-04-13 11:28 AM I just talked to a well known equine hospital 2 hrs from me, and they will see us, only if my vet will refer us, and send all his records to this hospital. I didn't realize they were a referral hospital. So, do it. They'd be more equipped to handle this horse at this point. Your vet will send his records. She has to understand that you want a second, more reliable, opinion. My local vets had no problem with me going elsewhere. None. They ask for updates.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | jake16 - 2018-04-13 10:16 AM YOU ARE THE HORSES OWNER.YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET A SAMPLE OF FLUID.YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET RESULTS.ONE VET WILL MOST LIKELY NEVER GO AGAINST YOUR VET ON THE SAME SCENE UNLESS THEY HAVE THE BALLS TO DO SO.YOU VET IS TRYING TO COVER HER ASS.BOTTOM LINE IS GET A DIFFERENT VET,GET FLUID SAMPLE,TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR HORSE AND THE MONEY YOU ARE PAYING OUT. THIS HORSE DESERVES A BETTER VET.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Where are you located? |
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| total performance - 2018-04-15 12:09 PM
Where are you located?
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Location: Wild Wild West | Please quit beating yourself up. It's understandable that you feel bad that maybe some treatment you sought caused him pain, but you are a very responsible owner . You are going way beyond what a lot of people would do to get their horse sound. Good for you. Stay positive. I believe you will find a way to get this horse sound to compete on. Good luck. |
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Location: Louisiana | If I'm thinking correctly, you said horse was going 8 weeks between shoeings...so 8 weeks of growth and a drastic change very well could've made him very sore. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | dashnlotti - 2018-04-16 12:36 PM If I'm thinking correctly, you said horse was going 8 weeks between shoeings...so 8 weeks of growth and a drastic change very well could've made him very sore. I would agree with this if he hadn't come up sore the very next day after injections.
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| I guess a little update..
He has been on bute 2x a day with some relief, but not much. Whenever I have used bute in the past on this horse, he really feels good.
A farrier in my area who is considered the best of the best by a lot of people, including my trainer..came out with my vet yesterday and did some shoeing changes. The farrier did not like the wedge that was put on a few weeks ago, and said we need to address some things. We were at the barn for three hours. The farrier packed his hoof with magic cushion, and put a leather pad on , and added a rocker shoe. Did not touch the back feet, as I pulled his back shoes for the winter, and they are not the best right now, kind of spread out, so we have another visit with the farrier on May 22nd, and I will be at the new barn then, the one that has 24/7 turnout. The farrier actually boards his horses where we are moving to, and lives 3 min away. I rode my horse today, 30 min walking, and 5 min trotting, and knock on wood, he was pretty much 100% sound. We took him off of bute on Tuesday, and I was so nervous to see him on Wed, I thought he would be so sore, and he was sounder and more comfortable without bute.
Vet pulled blood on Thursday to check his kidneys, as I am leaning towards trying Osphos. Farrier recommends bell boots on 24/7.
I know it's only been a day, but I'm trying to be optimistic.
On a side note, our first barrel race ever was supposed to be last weekend, and we could not go. There was another one this upcoming Sunday, and that got cancelled today! We were hoping to go, but they rescheduled for May 5th! Maybe we can go!
The farrier did recommend a hoof oil called Farriers Fix. He said it's a good product. Paint it on the hoof walls. I read about it online, and it's a mixture of turpentine and a few other ingredients.
Edited by emricmacy 2018-04-20 12:49 PM
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