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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion -
It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB.
Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program.  He was named by a very special person. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2018-04-19 11:11 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM
cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
 I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't... 
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
Feed, farrier, worming, and vet. Did you calculate those bills into the profit?
Costs of a horse whether registered or not are the same (generally). I DONT believe grade horses are a business to get into with the hopes of selling for more money but what I am saying which is the point of this post, a grade horse still has value when they're proven/finished and from my experience, it doesn't decrease. If you buy a finished 3D horse and run it a few years, you should be able to sell said 3D grade horse for similar price you paid for it assuming no major issues. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:04 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion - It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB.
Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program. He was named by a very special person.
So this is all new, I was wondering since I have never heard of this term befor, I thought maybe it was just picking at 1DSoon saying something in the terms of him being a sissy  , lol.. Not saying your a sissy 1D I just didnt know what a pink buckle stallion is/was..  | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 10:18 AM 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:04 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion - It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB. Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program. He was named by a very special person.
The Pink Buckle is a list of 40 stallions, similar to other incentative programs (Select Stallion Stakes, Future Fortunes, etc) designed to make barrel racing more lucrative.
Check it out.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:21 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 10:18 AM 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:04 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion - It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB.
Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program. He was named by a very special person. 1D knows about Papers.
The Pink Buckle is a list of 40 stallions, similar to other incentative programs (Select Stallion Stakes, Future Fortunes, etc) designed to make barrel racing more lucrative.
Check it out.
Thank you for taking the time to tell me about the pink buckle program, since I'm not into breeding knew nothing about this. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | stayceem - 2018-04-20 9:11 AM
cheryl makofka - 2018-04-19 11:11 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM
cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
 I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
Feed, farrier, worming, and vet. Did you calculate those bills into the profit?
Costs of a horse whether registered or not are the same (generally ). I DONT believe grade horses are a business to get into with the hopes of selling for more money but what I am saying which is the point of this post, a grade horse still has value when they're proven/finished and from my experience, it doesn't decrease. If you buy a finished 3D horse and run it a few years, you should be able to sell said 3D grade horse for similar price you paid for it assuming no major issues.
I disagree with this, I sold my grade mare for $5500, she was declined a few times from people who loved her because she was grade. I had her prices at $7500 originally. I would have priced her at 7-9k had she been papered, she was honest and easy and kid safe. | |
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| no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 11:40 AM no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet.
Don't agree - I think it was the greatest..........................if you have a sense of humour. | |
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| RnRJack - 2018-04-20 10:09 AM
stayceem - 2018-04-20 9:11 AM
cheryl makofka - 2018-04-19 11:11 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM
cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
 I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
Feed, farrier, worming, and vet. Did you calculate those bills into the profit?
Costs of a horse whether registered or not are the same (generally ). I DONT believe grade horses are a business to get into with the hopes of selling for more money but what I am saying which is the point of this post, a grade horse still has value when they're proven/finished and from my experience, it doesn't decrease. If you buy a finished 3D horse and run it a few years, you should be able to sell said 3D grade horse for similar price you paid for it assuming no major issues.
I disagree with this, I sold my grade mare for $5500, she was declined a few times from people who loved her because she was grade. I had her prices at $7500 originally. I would have priced her at 7-9k had she been papered, she was honest and easy and kid safe.
Sorry wasn't clear.. the price to care for a horse is the same whether grade or not... So I don't calculate that into my loss or gain.
I agree a grade horse is priced below a papered one. | |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 10:40 AM
no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet. Â
Half of the fun of raising them is naming them. To each their own. Bet you don't confuse him with any other horse... I also bet you remember that name pretty dang easily... Mission accomplished. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | kuhlmann - 2018-04-20 1:51 PM
Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 10:40 AM
no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet. Â
Half of the fun of raising them is naming them. To each their own. Bet you don't confuse him with any other horse... I also bet you remember that name pretty dang easily... Mission accomplished.
Famous silk panties was one of my fav names
Also an older barrel horse named “Dorky” | |
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| kuhlmann - 2018-04-20 1:51 PM Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 10:40 AM no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet. Half of the fun of raising them is naming them. To each their own. Bet you don't confuse him with any other horse... I also bet you remember that name pretty dang easily... Mission accomplished.
Very memorable indeed. | |
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Location: west of East Texas | I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. | |
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Location: west of East Texas | I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are.
Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred... | |
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| cindyt - 2018-04-23 12:19 PM
chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM  I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are.Â
Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?Â
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred... Â
You can find most of them in the 3D.... | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | joemama - 2018-04-23 7:30 PM cindyt - 2018-04-23 12:19 PM chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred... You can find most of them in the 3D....
ummm... ok.. not sure what that comment is even in reference too... lol | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cindyt - 2018-04-30 9:36 AM joemama - 2018-04-23 7:30 PM cindyt - 2018-04-23 12:19 PM chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred... You can find most of them in the 3D....
Yep had me doing this myself  over the 3d comment.. | |
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| When I was 14 and didn't know any better, I traded a big bay gelding for a scrawny blazed faced red yearling filly with major attitude. 16 years later, she is still with me. She has been the rock that Ive needed through a lot. Parents divorce, being assaulted by someone close to me, graduating, that first boyfriend, college, having a stroke at 24, getting married. Shes been my rock when Ive wanted to get up. Shes been my rock when I was at my lowest and wanted to end it all. I've been offered a lot of money for her and turned it down. She won a lot for me. We were never the fastest but we were consistent. If I ask her to do something, she gives 110%. I retired her in 2014 due to a torn meniscus. And to this day, she can stay with me until she dies. She owes me NOTHING. I never bred her. Why? Because she's grade and there are so many nice papered horses out there.
Would I willingly purchase another grade horse knowing what I know now? No. But my grade mare means the world to me. If you like this mare, go for it. | |
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