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Location: Arizona | RockinGR - 2018-07-26 3:00 PM
I formed a less than favorable opinion of that particular family (Dad the saddlemaker) 10 years ago after we ordered a custom saddle from him at the NFR--as in stood and talked to him, he made the ticket out with us standing there and reviewing it.
Saddle didn't show up when promised, I started calling and got tons of excuses til I finally had to threaten. Then we were sent the wrong saddle and he told me that's what we ordered. I had to threaten again several times and we finally got the saddle. BUT, while I was on the phone WITH HIM, not an employee, he let it slip that Teskeys made our saddle (I think he did some of the custom details). So I paid $2500 for a rope saddle with his stamp on it that he didn't make. And it took 3 times as long as was supposed to and several threats to get it! Never again.
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| ThreeCorners - 2018-07-26 3:35 PM Well Appearantly the parents agree with the treatment of the horses because they have been allowing it and supporting it all along all these years. No way will we ever buy any Jeff Smith saddles.
Yep, if that were my kid the first or second of these many incidents would have been the last time they sat on the back of a hits while I was paying for it |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | RockinGR - 2018-07-26 4:00 PM I formed a less than favorable opinion of that particular family (Dad the saddlemaker) 10 years ago after we ordered a custom saddle from him at the NFR--as in stood and talked to him, he made the ticket out with us standing there and reviewing it. Saddle didn't show up when promised, I started calling and got tons of excuses til I finally had to threaten. Then we were sent the wrong saddle and he told me that's what we ordered. I had to threaten again several times and we finally got the saddle. BUT, while I was on the phone WITH HIM, not an employee, he let it slip that Teskeys made our saddle (I think he did some of the custom details). So I paid $2500 for a rope saddle with his stamp on it that he didn't make. And it took 3 times as long as was supposed to and several threats to get it! Never again. None of Jeff Smith's Saddles are handmade by him....
They're all shop made like Corriente and Teskey's. If he told you otherwise... Well, that's a different story entirely as well.
Handmade and shopmade are two different things: Yes, his saddles are made by hands here in Texas in a shop of saddle makers. However, a different person tools each piece and pieces the saddle together in a shop. So the saddle is made by many different people. That doesn't make it a bad build or a bad saddle but it also doesn't make it handmade. Handmade is one person tooling the saddle start to finish, building the saddle, stitching the saddle, etc and then putting their name on the keeper. That's a handmade saddle. That takes people months to complete if they work on it day in and day out.
He used to use the same shop as Teskey's used for their higher quality saddle line. Sketchy things happened on Jeff Smith's part and the shop started only making saddles for him. (Rumor has it he bought the shop and became exclusive to himself). Teskey's uses a much better shop now for their higher end saddle line in my opinion of quality, than Jeff Smith's shop. But Jeff Smith charges more than double the price.
Why? Because he can.
So Essentially yes, your Jeff Smith Saddle is a Teskey Saddle, you just paid for his keeper. Nice saddles, but sketchy in his wording and pricing. 
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| I wish people would quit with the lynch mob mentality. The family has a history of bad horse dealings, not taking care of horses at events, poor treatment in relation to lameness, etc I understand the girl is 18 and technically that is an adult BUT that whole video going viral is a bad deal for everyone. Not only does it paint barrel racers as being ignorant and not knowing how to handle babies it also shows how into drama our whole industry can be.
Let the whole C3 saddle thing die. The daughter has never been given any rules or a role model to follow. Don't give their business patronage, don't feed into the viral media hate, and please lets leave the *not* owner of the *not* kill pen out of it as well that was posting videos in her favor. All of these people are getting more famous on social media for negative things. It is not good for our industry.
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Location: Texas | They have some very nice horses what will be much better off if sold. With some the of price tags she has put on the horses, I doubt they will get that kind of money for them. Then or now. If she were mine, the next horse she swung a leg over would be one that she worked and paid for herself. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Seems like the last time this girl came up on this board is when she left her horse stalled on cement without shavings and then left the buliding with out paying, and there was a BB's on here saying to take it easy on her like maybe this girl didnt know any better or she had a reason for doing what she did, I was like WHAT???!! And now this, this girl is just a spoiled little girl it sounds like to me.. Its to bad that this kind of cra* happens. Very senseless and then to brag about this kinda of stuff and put a video out there for everyone to see, wow.. . |
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RockinGR - 2018-07-26 3:00 PM
I formed a less than favorable opinion of that particular family (Dad the saddlemaker) 10 years ago after we ordered a custom saddle from him at the NFR--as in stood and talked to him, he made the ticket out with us standing there and reviewing it.
Saddle didn't show up when promised, I started calling and got tons of excuses til I finally had to threaten. Then we were sent the wrong saddle and he told me that's what we ordered. I had to threaten again several times and we finally got the saddle. BUT, while I was on the phone WITH HIM, not an employee, he let it slip that Teskeys made our saddle (I think he did some of the custom details). So I paid $2500 for a rope saddle with his stamp on it that he didn't make. And it took 3 times as long as was supposed to and several threats to get it! Never again.
Interesting...makes you wonder if you are actually getting something he made or something he through together...hmm..
It would not be physically possible for him to start to finish hand build as many saddles he makes.... |
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| I was unfortunate enough to see videos from multiple instances. This girl either has some serious mental health issues or is one of the biggest spoiled brat's I have ever seen. I hate to compare the two but it isnt normal behavior and actually quite scary. I think it may be best for her parents to focus on her for awhile and get her some help. This has clearly been going on for some time and either they ignore it or condone it. Either way I don't feel bad for them. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-07-26 2:22 PM
I wish people would quit with the lynch mob mentality. The family has a history of bad horse dealings, not taking care of horses at events, poor treatment in relation to lameness, etc I understand the girl is 18 and technically that is an adult BUT that whole video going viral is a bad deal for everyone. Not only does it paint barrel racers as being ignorant and not knowing how to handle babies it also shows how into drama our whole industry can be.
Let the whole C3 saddle thing die. The daughter has never been given any rules or a role model to follow. Don't give their business patronage, don't feed into the viral media hate, and please lets leave the *not* owner of the *not* kill pen out of it as well that was posting videos in her favor. All of these people are getting more famous on social media for negative things. It is not good for our industry.
Actually I disagree.
I don’t care if it makes barrel racers look bad, what makes barrel racers look even worse would be sweeping something under the rug. THAT is what makes it look like barrel racers don’t know how to care for horses. The fact that it IS other barrel racers that are outraged shows that we are in fact aware that it’s not good practice to drag a baby animal by its neck.
I also have no idea where this “lets just ignore it until it goes away” mindset came about. If you’re stupid enough to drag a baby animal by its neck and video it and post it on social media, you deserve the bad publicity.
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Location: The edge of no where | stayceem - 2018-07-26 4:33 PM I was unfortunate enough to see videos from multiple instances. This girl either has some serious mental health issues or is one of the biggest spoiled brat's I have ever seen. I hate to compare the two but it isnt normal behavior and actually quite scary. I think it may be best for her parents to focus on her for awhile and get her some help. This has clearly been going on for some time and either they ignore it or condone it. Either way I don't feel bad for them.
It's been right under their noses all along - there's no way they weren't aware of it. Maybe the apple doesn't fall far from the tree (she's just dumb enough to post things publically). I hope they get some help for her, and I hope this has a huge negative impact on their business - it's well deserved. It's been going on forever...........and they let it. |
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Location: The edge of no where | livexlovexrodeo - 2018-07-26 4:38 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-07-26 2:22 PM I wish people would quit with the lynch mob mentality. The family has a history of bad horse dealings, not taking care of horses at events, poor treatment in relation to lameness, etc I understand the girl is 18 and technically that is an adult BUT that whole video going viral is a bad deal for everyone. Not only does it paint barrel racers as being ignorant and not knowing how to handle babies it also shows how into drama our whole industry can be. Let the whole C3 saddle thing die. The daughter has never been given any rules or a role model to follow. Don't give their business patronage, don't feed into the viral media hate, and please lets leave the *not* owner of the *not* kill pen out of it as well that was posting videos in her favor. All of these people are getting more famous on social media for negative things. It is not good for our industry. Actually I disagree. I don’t care if it makes barrel racers look bad, what makes barrel racers look even worse would be sweeping something under the rug. THAT is what makes it look like barrel racers don’t know how to care for horses. The fact that it IS other barrel racers that are outraged shows that we are in fact aware that it’s not good practice to drag a baby animal by its neck. I also have no idea where this “lets just ignore it until it goes away” mindset came about. If you’re stupid enough to drag a baby animal by its neck and video it and post it on social media, you deserve the bad publicity.
^^Exactly. Letting it go as 'no big deal' would shine a worse light on barrel racers.
There's no excuse to threaten anyone with injury or some of the stupid 'go kill yourself' messages.................but at this point, it's fair game to let them know that you will not ever spend $1 with them - and the reason why not.
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| livexlovexrodeo - 2018-07-26 4:38 PM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-07-26 2:22 PM
I wish people would quit with the lynch mob mentality. The family has a history of bad horse dealings, not taking care of horses at events, poor treatment in relation to lameness, etc I understand the girl is 18 and technically that is an adult BUT that whole video going viral is a bad deal for everyone. Not only does it paint barrel racers as being ignorant and not knowing how to handle babies it also shows how into drama our whole industry can be.
Let the whole C3 saddle thing die. The daughter has never been given any rules or a role model to follow. Don't give their business patronage, don't feed into the viral media hate, and please lets leave the *not* owner of the *not* kill pen out of it as well that was posting videos in her favor. All of these people are getting more famous on social media for negative things. It is not good for our industry.
Actually I disagree.
I don’t care if it makes barrel racers look bad, what makes barrel racers look even worse would be sweeping something under the rug. THAT is what makes it look like barrel racers don’t know how to care for horses. The fact that it IS other barrel racers that are outraged shows that we are in fact aware that it’s not good practice to drag a baby animal by its neck.
I also have no idea where this “lets just ignore it until it goes away” mindset came about. If you’re stupid enough to drag a baby animal by its neck and video it and post it on social media, you deserve the bad publicity.
I DID NOT SAY SWEEP IT UNDER A RUG!!!
FB is plastered with the girl video and the numerous other infractions on horsemanship this girl has made. Along with just plain hate.
I disagree with the lynch mob mentality. I do agree the boycotting of the business. Jeff Smith saddles haven't been custom for years guys. I thought that was common knowledge!
You can cut the hate part out and share for awareness without all the drama and hate.
I do care about things that make our industry look bad. This is why other disciplines look down on us. IF your going to share that is fine but BE TASTEFUL and CLASSY about it.
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | IRunOnFaith - 2018-07-26 4:21 PM
RockinGR - 2018-07-26 4:00 PM I formed a less than favorable opinion of that particular family (Dad the saddlemaker) 10 years ago after we ordered a custom saddle from him at the NFR--as in stood and talked to him, he made the ticket out with us standing there and reviewing it. Saddle didn't show up when promised, I started calling and got tons of excuses til I finally had to threaten. Then we were sent the wrong saddle and he told me that's what we ordered. I had to threaten again several times and we finally got the saddle. BUT, while I was on the phone WITH HIM, not an employee, he let it slip that Teskeys made our saddle (I think he did some of the custom details). So I paid $2500 for a rope saddle with his stamp on it that he didn't make. And it took 3 times as long as was supposed to and several threats to get it! Never again. None of Jeff Smith's Saddles are handmade by him....
They're all shop made like Corriente and Teskey's. If he told you otherwise... Well, that's a different story entirely as well.
Handmade and shopmade are two different things: Yes, his saddles are made by hands here in Texas in a shop of saddle makers. However, a different person tools each piece and pieces the saddle together in a shop. So the saddle is made by many different people. That doesn't make it a bad build or a bad saddle but it also doesn't make it handmade. Handmade is one person tooling the saddle start to finish, building the saddle, stitching the saddle, etc and then putting their name on the keeper. That's a handmade saddle. That takes people months to complete if they work on it day in and day out.Â
He used to use the same shop as Teskey's used for their higher quality saddle line. Sketchy things happened on Jeff Smith's part and the shop started only making saddles for him. (Rumor has it he bought the shop and became exclusive to himself). Teskey's uses a much better shop now for their higher end saddle line in my opinion of quality, than Jeff Smith's shop. But Jeff Smith charges more than double the price.
Why? Because he can.
So Essentially yes, your Jeff Smith Saddle is a Teskey Saddle, you just paid for his keeper. Nice saddles, but sketchy in his wording and pricing.  Â
Never did I imply that it was to be a handmade saddle (custom, yes)...we knew it would be shop made...but I did expect it to be made in HIS shop. If we'd have wanted a Teskey's saddle, we'd have gotten one from them at half the price. Lucky for us, it's a nice saddle and we still have it. But that does not change the fact that we were intentionally misled and I only found out because of a slip of the tongue. It took over 3 months to get our shop built saddle, BTW, after being told it would take 4-6 weeks.
ETA: I am also not naĂŻve enough to think you could purchase a handmade saddle for $2500...
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Location: Arizona | When i was 18 i knew better than to treat an animal with disrespect. I have been around horses my whole life. Did she just get her first horse at 18? Being 18 is NO excuse, good grief! My dad would have kick my a** from here to tomorrow if he ever found out I mistreated a horse in anyway. Why are people making excuses for her because she's 18!! UGH!! |
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| RockinGR - 2018-07-26 4:49 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2018-07-26 4:21 PM
RockinGR - 2018-07-26 4:00 PM I formed a less than favorable opinion of that particular family (Dad the saddlemaker) 10 years ago after we ordered a custom saddle from him at the NFR--as in stood and talked to him, he made the ticket out with us standing there and reviewing it. Saddle didn't show up when promised, I started calling and got tons of excuses til I finally had to threaten. Then we were sent the wrong saddle and he told me that's what we ordered. I had to threaten again several times and we finally got the saddle. BUT, while I was on the phone WITH HIM, not an employee, he let it slip that Teskeys made our saddle (I think he did some of the custom details). So I paid $2500 for a rope saddle with his stamp on it that he didn't make. And it took 3 times as long as was supposed to and several threats to get it! Never again. None of Jeff Smith's Saddles are handmade by him....
They're all shop made like Corriente and Teskey's. If he told you otherwise... Well, that's a different story entirely as well.
Handmade and shopmade are two different things: Yes, his saddles are made by hands here in Texas in a shop of saddle makers. However, a different person tools each piece and pieces the saddle together in a shop. So the saddle is made by many different people. That doesn't make it a bad build or a bad saddle but it also doesn't make it handmade. Handmade is one person tooling the saddle start to finish, building the saddle, stitching the saddle, etc and then putting their name on the keeper. That's a handmade saddle. That takes people months to complete if they work on it day in and day out.Â
He used to use the same shop as Teskey's used for their higher quality saddle line. Sketchy things happened on Jeff Smith's part and the shop started only making saddles for him. (Rumor has it he bought the shop and became exclusive to himself). Teskey's uses a much better shop now for their higher end saddle line in my opinion of quality, than Jeff Smith's shop. But Jeff Smith charges more than double the price.
Why? Because he can.
So Essentially yes, your Jeff Smith Saddle is a Teskey Saddle, you just paid for his keeper. Nice saddles, but sketchy in his wording and pricing.  Â
Never did I imply that it was to be a handmade saddle (custom, yes )...we knew it would be shop made...but I did expect it to be made in HIS shop. If we'd have wanted a Teskey's saddle, we'd have gotten one from them at half the price. Lucky for us, it's a nice saddle and we still have it. But that does not change the fact that we were intentionally misled and I only found out because of a slip of the tongue. It took over 3 months to get our shop built saddle, BTW, after being told it would take 4-6 weeks.
ETA: I am also not naĂŻve enough to think you could purchase a handmade saddle for $2500...
You can purchase one hand made for $2500 (well maybe a touch over actually) from Jeremy Bethune, Triple Creek (when you can get them on the phone) or Micheal T. Green. All are actually made by the makers 
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Location: OH. IO | LIVE2RUN - 2018-07-26 5:54 PM
When i was 18 i knew better than to treat an animal with disrespect. I have been around horses my whole life. Did she just get her first horse at 18? Being 18 is NO excuse, good grief! My dad would have kick my a** from here to tomorrow if he ever found out I mistreated a horse in anyway. Why are people making excuses for her because she's 18!! UGH!!
 I agree totally!!!my parents would have handed my butt to me!!There's no way her age means crap to me!!!She deserves what she gets and so do her parents.NOTHING ANGERS ME MORE THAN CHILD AND ANIMAL ABUSE! |
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| jake16 - 2018-07-26 5:26 PM
LIVE2RUN - 2018-07-26 5:54 PM
When i was 18 i knew better than to treat an animal with disrespect. I have been around horses my whole life. Did she just get her first horse at 18? Being 18 is NO excuse, good grief! My dad would have kick my a** from here to tomorrow if he ever found out I mistreated a horse in anyway. Why are people making excuses for her because she's 18!! UGH!!
 I agree totally!!!my parents would have handed my butt to me!!There's no way her age means crap to me!!!She deserves what she gets and so do her parents.NOTHING ANGERS ME MORE THAN CHILD AND ANIMAL ABUSE!
I know people/kids grow up learning different training methods and what seems harsh to one person may not to the next but what goes on with her in the many instances she has shown her lack of kindness towards animals. That is a quality that is inherent for most people. She had spent her teen years lying about having sponsors, horses she is selling. Hopefully this latest incident will be the much neede wake up call she and her parents need.
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| The video says "this is why I hate taking mares to the vet to get them checked".
I have two statements to make.
I can load a mare and foal BY MYSELF and I am 68 years old. I don't have that kind of baby drama. Hmmmm
My dad bought me a book sometime around 1960 called THE SCHOOLING OF THE WESTERN HORSE. That is where I learned how to teach a foal to lead. Still use that today. I don't have baby drama. My babies are two months old and they both lead and load. |
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| SKM - 2018-07-26 8:38 PM
The day that TMS defends my actions is the day I take a long, hard look at what’s looking back at me in the mirror. If she gives you her support, you are obviously doing something VERY wrong. Birds of a feather...
I agree with this 100% but I’m asking please don’t give these ppl that crave attention any more of it!!!
TMS and this family are cut from the same cloth but can we please stop giving them the attention they crave so
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