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| taylorschip - 2020-05-13 12:41 PM
My "Pentosan" is PentAussie. Which is not FDA regulated. Seems like a lot of people don't get their pentosan from their vet, rather racehorsemeds which is DEFINITELY not regulated.
So My B. But my argument still stands. Almost ALL feed through's are not FDA regulated, nor are most of the NASC sealed. Yet folks will feed anything and everything without a doubt in their mind making toxic levels of this and that. |
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| Short and sweet version - it is not FDA approved, they have two "studies" with samples sizes of 6 and 8 horses that were funded by the company themselves that says it works and has no side effects. Supposedly there is a third party, double blind study being conducted but so far nobody really knows if it works. It's all hearsay from MLM reps. Adequan is FDA approved and proven to work, a dose of Adequan is only $10 more than Summit.  ETA: I am NOT one of those that shoves whatever down my horses throats. I grew up with a heavy science background and fully research everything I put into and on my horses. These animals are expensive. Unless it's a last ditch effort, I'll stick with FDA approved and researched. (Especially for just about the same price. Kind of a no brainer.)
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| taylorschip - 2020-05-13 12:41 PM
My "Pentosan" is PentAussie. Which is not FDA regulated. Seems like a lot of people don't get their pentosan from their vet, rather racehorsemeds which is DEFINITELY not regulated.
Who said pentosan was FDA approved??? It's used off label in horses.... But it is something that is made in a regulated, sterile environment at a pharmacy and needs a script to obtain. If it's not I wouldn't use it. Race horses meds is sketchy... Anything injectable should be regulated since it does need to be sterile and I honestly don't consider something injectable a supplement. Someone mixing an injectable substance in their basement is as sketchy as it comes. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2020-05-14 12:17 AM
taylorschip - 2020-05-13 12:41 PM
My "Pentosan" is PentAussie. Which is not FDA regulated. Seems like a lot of people don't get their pentosan from their vet, rather racehorsemeds which is DEFINITELY not regulated.
Who said pentosan was FDA approved??? It's used off label in horses.... But it is something that is made in a regulated, sterile environment at a pharmacy and needs a script to obtain. If it's not I wouldn't use it. Race horses meds is sketchy... Anything injectable should be regulated since it does need to be sterile and I honestly don't consider something injectable a supplement. Someone mixing an injectable substance in their basement is as sketchy as it comes.
Summit is made in an ISO 4 Cleanroom. Product is run through micron filters and FDA does spot inspections. Vials are tested for sterility by ARL Biopharma. |
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| I see it as, if you don't want to use it since it's not FDA approved, then don't. But using an unproven, unstudied feed through for every specific base is hypocritical, BUT that's just my opinion ;) No one is making you try something you don't want to. And if you & your vet don't like it, don't do it. I do think however that people shouldn't diss a product they've NEVER tried. I've used pentosan, adequan and summit. I have seen better results with Summit than adequan AND pentosan. Pentosan seems to be good very minor things in my experience, then adequan or summit. I do agree that Summit is ruining itself with the MLM. Reps are spreading misinformation just to make a pretty penny. |
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| LabRat - 2020-05-14 10:01 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2020-05-14 12:17 AM
taylorschip - 2020-05-13 12:41 PM
My "Pentosan" is PentAussie. Which is not FDA regulated. Seems like a lot of people don't get their pentosan from their vet, rather racehorsemeds which is DEFINITELY not regulated.
Who said pentosan was FDA approved??? It's used off label in horses.... But it is something that is made in a regulated, sterile environment at a pharmacy and needs a script to obtain. If it's not I wouldn't use it. Race horses meds is sketchy... Anything injectable should be regulated since it does need to be sterile and I honestly don't consider something injectable a supplement. Someone mixing an injectable substance in their basement is as sketchy as it comes.
Summit is made in an ISO 4 Cleanroom. Product is run through micron filters and FDA does spot inspections. Vials are tested for sterility by ARL Biopharma.
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      Location: Arkansas | taylorschip - 2020-05-14 10:27 AM
I see it as, if you don't want to use it since it's not FDA approved, then don't. But using an unproven, unstudied feed through for every specific base is hypocritical, BUT that's just my opinion ;) No one is making you try something you don't want to. And if you & your vet don't like it, don't do it. I do think however that people shouldn't diss a product they've NEVER tried. I've used pentosan, adequan and summit. I have seen better results with Summit than adequan AND pentosan. Pentosan seems to be good very minor things in my experience, then adequan or summit.
I do agree that Summit is ruining itself with the MLM. Reps are spreading misinformation just to make a pretty penny.
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| Chandler's Mom - 2020-05-14 6:42 PM taylorschip - 2020-05-14 10:27 AM I see it as, if you don't want to use it since it's not FDA approved, then don't. But using an unproven, unstudied feed through for every specific base is hypocritical, BUT that's just my opinion ;) No one is making you try something you don't want to. And if you & your vet don't like it, don't do it. I do think however that people shouldn't diss a product they've NEVER tried. I've used pentosan, adequan and summit. I have seen better results with Summit than adequan AND pentosan. Pentosan seems to be good very minor things in my experience, then adequan or summit. I do agree that Summit is ruining itself with the MLM. Reps are spreading misinformation just to make a pretty penny. Do you or have you used feed throughs? Yes! I have only seen results with a handful however. I have used smartflex, cosequin, platinum, mvp products, OE, a few off brand products. But I have ONLY seen results with exceed 6 way, formula 1 noni blue label (if fed for longer than 60ish days), cosequin asu, tight joints plus (My FAVORITE feed through joint support) and GLC 5500 max. Cetyl M was a good one I used but it works for some and not others.. and only minor aches, pains and issues. Edit to add: These are pricey. An injection is WAY cheaper than these run on a month to month basis for even 1 horse, let alone all of my herd. But they also have studies proving they work as they have such high doses (which is needed in order to reach the joint through the gut).
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      Location: Texas | cn1705 - 2020-05-25 1:52 AM
Bumping this up. Anymore users with good outcomes that aren't reps? I am seeing so many reps now! Saw they sponsor Lisa Lockhart now too.
I'm not a rep, and I'm just finished the loading dose today on my show mare. I personally feel like she's more comfortable and able to do what I'm asking for her. We've had huge progress in the past month! I'm not sure if training, age and comfort collided but she's been far more quieter the past month and less reactive. Usually she's hot lapping and bucking like a NFR bronc on the line for 15 minutes before every ride. However, this past month I've been able to hop on her fresh without a fight. Only thing that has changed in the last month has been the Summit. |
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          Location: South Georgia | WiscoRacer - 2020-05-14 1:09 AM
Short and sweet version - it is not FDA approved, they have two "studies" with samples sizes of 6 and 8 horses that were funded by the company themselves that says it works and has no side effects. Supposedly there is a third party, double blind study being conducted but so far nobody really knows if it works. It's all hearsay from MLM reps. Adequan is FDA approved and proven to work, a dose of Adequan is only $10 more than Summit. 
ETA: I am NOT one of those that shoves whatever down my horses throats. I grew up with a heavy science background and fully research everything I put into and on my horses. These animals are expensive. Unless it's a last ditch effort, I'll stick with FDA approved and researched. (Especially for just about the same price. Kind of a no brainer.)
Summit is approximately $30ish per month. You're finding Adequan for $40? |
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| horsegirl - 2020-06-01 12:03 PM WiscoRacer - 2020-05-14 1:09 AM Short and sweet version - it is not FDA approved, they have two "studies" with samples sizes of 6 and 8 horses that were funded by the company themselves that says it works and has no side effects. Supposedly there is a third party, double blind study being conducted but so far nobody really knows if it works. It's all hearsay from MLM reps. Adequan is FDA approved and proven to work, a dose of Adequan is only $10 more than Summit.  ETA: I am NOT one of those that shoves whatever down my horses throats. I grew up with a heavy science background and fully research everything I put into and on my horses. These animals are expensive. Unless it's a last ditch effort, I'll stick with FDA approved and researched. (Especially for just about the same price. Kind of a no brainer.) Summit is approximately $30ish per month. You're finding Adequan for $40? Yup. It's on Chewy right now for $37. It's a FOUR DOLLAR difference for something that's FDA approved versus not. I also always buy the multidose bottles since they're cheaper. It's not hard to do your own reserach ya'll. Don't be sheep.
ETA: Screenshots in case ya don't believe me. Also Summit is $33 per dose. This one is $44 and change meaning an $11 difference. And the multidose - which has 10 doses is $42 per dose.
 
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| Adequan is a drug. FDA Approved. Requires script from vet. Summit is a supplement. Does not require FDA approval. Does not require a script. |
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| readytorodeo - 2020-06-02 11:18 PM
Adequan is a drug. FDA Approved. Requires script from vet.
Summit is a supplement. Does not require FDA approval. Does not require a script.
How does this affect efficacy? I would rather not iINJECT my horse with a supplement from a MLM corporation. For a few bucks more I would rather have a FDA approved drug. What happens " if" your horse has a reaction or something..... is summit going to back you up?!? If it's FDA approved , prescribed by a vet , you have some recourse. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2020-06-03 8:11 AM
readytorodeo - 2020-06-02 11:18 PM
Adequan is a drug. FDA Approved. Requires script from vet.
Summit is a supplement. Does not require FDA approval. Does not require a script.
How does this affect efficacy? I would rather not iINJECT my horse with a supplement from a MLM corporation. For a few bucks more I would rather have a FDA approved drug. What happens " if" your horse has a reaction or something..... is summit going to back you up?!? If it's FDA approved , prescribed by a vet , you have some recourse.
Believe me if I hadn’t had confidence that it was not going to cause a issue,I wouldn’t have used it. Vets are using it on their practices also |
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| readytorodeo - 2020-06-03 8:20 AM FLITASTIC - 2020-06-03 8:11 AM readytorodeo - 2020-06-02 11:18 PM Adequan is a drug. FDA Approved. Requires script from vet. Summit is a supplement. Does not require FDA approval. Does not require a script. How does this affect efficacy? I would rather not iINJECT my horse with a supplement from a MLM corporation. For a few bucks more I would rather have a FDA approved drug. What happens " if" your horse has a reaction or something..... is summit going to back you up?!? If it's FDA approved , prescribed by a vet , you have some recourse. Believe me if I hadn’t had confidence that it was not going to cause a issue,I wouldn’t have used it. Vets are using it on their practices also My 3 vets (2 local, and my main equine vet) are who turned me to use it. Chrondroitin and sterile water won't kill your horse. You may get a lump or an abcess from infection, which can happen with any shot or injection. I agree with being backed up however. Have a plan no matter what you do. It really depends on your insurance, mine will back me up since I got a note from my vet recommending it. But not every company is like that.
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     Location: Oklahoma | Im not using it and I dont know if I ever will. But keep in mind Summitt didn't start out as mlm company they was already in business and selling to some well known people. I had checked into this before it became a mlm. The quickest way and cheapest way to get the word out is offering incentives and therefore mlm marketing is getting the word out! Summit definetly proof that mlm gets the word out! lol |
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