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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Sooner2 - 2018-10-08 4:13 PM
I applaud you for questioning vaccines. This is a good reputable site to begin your research.
https://www.nvic.org/
“Reputable”? Says who? I’m familiar with this antivax site.
It is cleverly packaged and presented as some official government-sounding objective site full of all you need to know about vaccines.....until you actually read it.
No, it is only renowned as a malignant, antivax site. It is full of the stench of Jenny McCarthy.
It's an anti vacination pressure group created by deluded parents, who can't grasp the concept of nobody being to blame. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 3canstorun - 2018-10-08 10:09 AM There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids.
Too bad since polio was gone in the US.
they are fixin to talk about this issue on the NBC Nightly news..
well that was just too short for something that so important 
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Location: North Dakota | Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 4:12 PM Gunner11 - 2018-10-08 3:56 PM So I have to assume that anti-vaxxers don't get their pets vaccinated either? Or use flea medicine or dewormers? What if they want to go on a mission trip to a foreign country and are required to get immunizations before going? I guess they just don't go? I'm legitimately curious. Yes to wormer and no to vaccines. Don't find them necessary. As for us if we need to take a trip, we will up our vitamin C, vitamin D and probiotics intake. And take elderberry syrup. We just try to keep the gut healthy and we are rarely sick. When we are sick, it's over fairly quickly. I have a vaccine injured child, so I wouldn't label me as an "anti-vaxxer" but an exvaxxer. We did vaccinate. Had a health issue right after vaccines and before that she was perfectly healthy. This is when my research started. Most of "us" are exvaxxers.
So you do not give them a RABIES vaccination?
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Location: North Dakota | RoughstockKennel - 2018-10-08 9:41 AM I was just at a funeral on Saturday for a 2 month old baby that died from unexplained causes three days after receiving more vaccines. He was very healthy until then. I already had strong opinions on vaccines before this. Please do your own research.
If the baby died from unexplained causes, how do you know it was due to the vaccines?
Heartbreaking, no matter the cause, for one so young. But I would stronly question if the vaccines had anything to do with it.
I will have to try to find the link, but I think there was a story about a year ago or so of a set of young twin babies dying a couple days after their vaccines, and most of the public was blaming the vaccines for killing the twins. What most people skimmed over was that the mother had unintentionally overdosed them on Tylenol to help them with their fevers. So it was not the vaccines at all.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | r_beau - 2018-10-09 9:16 AM
RoughstockKennel - 2018-10-08 9:41 AM I was just at a funeral on Saturday for a 2 month old baby that died from unexplained causes three days after receiving more vaccines. He was very healthy until then. I already had strong opinions on vaccines before this. Please do your own research.
If the baby died from unexplained causes, how do you know it was due to the vaccines?
Heartbreaking, no matter the cause, for one so young. But I would stronly question if the vaccines had anything to do with it.
I will have to try to find the link, but I think there was a story about a year ago or so of a set of young twin babies dying a couple days after their vaccines, and most of the public was blaming the vaccines for killing the twins. What most people skimmed over was that the mother had unintentionally overdosed them on Tylenol to help them with their fevers. So it was not the vaccines at all.Â
This is an excellent example of the use of logical fallicies I mentioned earlier:
X happened before Y
Therefore X caused Y
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | For the parents that dont have their children vacciated, how do you enroll your children in school, I know here in Texas you have to have proof of vaccinations so you're child can be enrolled in school. No vaccinations no enrollment into school.. Or is there a way around this rule? Both my boys had their vaccinations all threw child hood and never had a problem and both are healthy and have a family of their own. I never question their doctors I wanted my boys safe from any childhood disease, I would have not been able to live with myself if I did not follow doctors advice and one got a life ending disease because I thought I was smarter then their doctors. This is scary knowing that some parents wont vacciate their child. |
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Location: N Texas | r_beau - 2018-10-09 9:16 AM
RoughstockKennel - 2018-10-08 9:41 AM I was just at a funeral on Saturday for a 2 month old baby that died from unexplained causes three days after receiving more vaccines. He was very healthy until then. I already had strong opinions on vaccines before this. Please do your own research.
If the baby died from unexplained causes, how do you know it was due to the vaccines?
Heartbreaking, no matter the cause, for one so young. But I would stronly question if the vaccines had anything to do with it.
I will have to try to find the link, but I think there was a story about a year ago or so of a set of young twin babies dying a couple days after their vaccines, and most of the public was blaming the vaccines for killing the twins. What most people skimmed over was that the mother had unintentionally overdosed them on Tylenol to help them with their fevers. So it was not the vaccines at all.Â
Right, only the details that will cause hysteria are the ones that are emphasized. Babies (really people of any age) can appear completely healthy on the outside, while there is something bad going on on the inside.
Just because someone does not exhibit outward signs of an illness does not mean they are "healthy".
It drives me crazy when you hear stories like "A woman ate this and then they died!" The whole story is the person had an underlying medical condition, got food poisoning, didn't seek medical help for several days, and then it was too late. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It’s a parent’s right not to vaccinate, but it makes perfect sense to require that a child have a certain amount of vaccinations before they can attend a public school. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | all I know is I was never vaccinated for Progeria, and I never contracted Progeria so it was obviously not needed.
Go pedeal your big pharma hocus pocus somewhere else buddy, cause I ain't buying.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Well, I was vaccinated against Progeria, and that explains my energy, vitality, and youthful appearance. |
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Location: Texas | I don't have kids yet, so I really don't have an opinion either way. I was vaccinated, I vaccinate my animals, and my niece and nephew have been vaccinated and been fine. However, I have a very good friend who has a child who has life threatening allergies (food and environmental) like has had an anaphylactic reaction and is on the autistic spectrum from vaccines. Yes, this has been proven to be the cause by her pro-vaccine doctor. He has a gene that doesn't let his body metabolize toxins like other people, so because he was pre-mature and because of this gene the vaccines sat in his system/brain and caused all of these horrible things. His younger brother, who has two copies, of the gene has not been vaccinated and doesn't have the issues her other child does. While I feel like her case is unique, she did what she thought was right and now her son will have life long consequences from it. When people say "do your research", I wish there was unbiased, true facts, but both sides pro and anti vax people have such bias reports that it's crazy. I think that needed vaccines are a good thing, but the problem is how many are given at once plus if there's an underlying condition such as my friend's child it could cause lots of problems. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TXBarrelRacer84 - 2018-10-09 1:15 PM
I don't have kids yet, so I really don't have an opinion either way. I was vaccinated, I vaccinate my animals, and my niece and nephew have been vaccinated and been fine. However, I have a very good friend who has a child who has life threatening allergies (food and environmental) like has had an anaphylactic reaction and is on the autistic spectrum from vaccines. Yes, this has been proven to be the cause by her pro-vaccine doctor. He has a gene that doesn't let his body metabolize toxins like other people, so because he was pre-mature and because of this gene the vaccines sat in his system/brain and caused all of these horrible things. His younger brother, who has two copies, of the gene has not been vaccinated and doesn't have the issues her other child does. While I feel like her case is unique, she did what she thought was right and now her son will have life long consequences from it. When people say "do your research", I wish there was unbiased, true facts, but both sides pro and anti vax people have such bias reports that it's crazy. I think that needed vaccines are a good thing, but the problem is how many are given at once plus if there's an underlying condition such as my friend's child it could cause lots of problems.
How was it “proven”? |
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Location: Texas | Bear - 2018-10-09 1:20 PM TXBarrelRacer84 - 2018-10-09 1:15 PM I don't have kids yet, so I really don't have an opinion either way. I was vaccinated, I vaccinate my animals, and my niece and nephew have been vaccinated and been fine. However, I have a very good friend who has a child who has life threatening allergies (food and environmental) like has had an anaphylactic reaction and is on the autistic spectrum from vaccines. Yes, this has been proven to be the cause by her pro-vaccine doctor. He has a gene that doesn't let his body metabolize toxins like other people, so because he was pre-mature and because of this gene the vaccines sat in his system/brain and caused all of these horrible things. His younger brother, who has two copies, of the gene has not been vaccinated and doesn't have the issues her other child does. While I feel like her case is unique, she did what she thought was right and now her son will have life long consequences from it. When people say "do your research", I wish there was unbiased, true facts, but both sides pro and anti vax people have such bias reports that it's crazy. I think that needed vaccines are a good thing, but the problem is how many are given at once plus if there's an underlying condition such as my friend's child it could cause lots of problems. How was it “proven”?
By the genetic testing that found the gene that didn't let toxin be metabolized and did a study on him using other things proving the body held all of those things in just as it would the vaccines. Plus the fact that the second child has not one but two of the same gene and has had no vaccines and is fine. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Got it....yes. Thanks. I wasn’t quite following you. That’s a very rare condition. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear - 2018-10-09 3:20 PM Got it....yes. Thanks. I wasn’t quite following you. That’s a very rare condition.
that's it?
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Location: Texas | Bear - 2018-10-09 2:20 PM Got it....yes. Thanks. I wasn’t quite following you. That’s a very rare condition.
Also to be clear, I'm not saying I'm against vaccines at all. I just had never even questioned them until seeing what all they have gone through with her child. I totally agree it's very rare and not something that could blanket many. I just feel like there are a few exceptions and I wish she could've known his exceptions before vaccinating. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I’m guessing it has to do with the “MTHFR gene”.
Can you ask your friend?
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| Not going to argue for either side, but isn't there still still a clause that can excuse not vaccinating for school based on religion? Seems like I remember that from the past. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | luckyjo - 2018-10-09 5:15 PM
Not going to argue for either side, but isn't there still still a clause that can excuse not vaccinating for school based on religion? Seems like I remember that from the past.
Good question. Most states do allow exemptions for various reasons.
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| Bear - 2018-10-08 3:41 PM
Vaccines do not cause SIDS. If anything, they have a protective effect.
Checkout the Dtap insert. (inserts from the vaccine manufactures themselves) Also SIDS most likely happens around 2, 4, and 6 months. Right along with the vaccine schedule. |
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