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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2018-12-23 3:38 PM
Bear - 2018-12-24 1:54 PM Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned. I was going to point that out, but I decided to ask for explanations to her remarks. Predictably I didn’t get any..... not to my very reasonable questions, at least.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | jake16 - 2018-12-23 8:39 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
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Location: Kansas | Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:45 PM Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned. Your gullibility, Frodo, never ceases to amaze me.
Nothing about you "amazes" me. Ignorance goes hand in hand with liberalism.
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Location: SE Missouri | We have a friend in town that has spent years in and out of the ME “training” law enforcement personnel of whatever country he is sent to. I found it interesting when he talked about certain countries personnel were just lazy and acted as if they had no intention to ever take care of themselves.
I wish I could remember where he was working at the time. He just really was put out with them. I don’t even know exactly who he works for but he’s not exactly military but works with and around them is my take. | |
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| Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
Where do you get your info Mecon? I am curious. Do you have top secret clearance? Please do share with us what makes you such an expert.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring.  Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info?Â
Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again.
The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to......(drum roll).....”the wall”.
With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:45 PM
Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM
What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
Your gullibility, Frodo, never ceases to amaze me.
Frodo is actually correct. During the Obozo administration, we gave billions in military equipment to the Iraqis to assist them in fighting ISIS. They left 2300 Humvees, along with trucks, M1-A1 tanks (cost= $6 million a pop), and other weapons on the battle field.
Mecon tries to ridicule Frodo for being so “gullible”. In effect, she is denying the facts, and turns around and calls Frodo gullible.
Again.....”projection”. Mecon is making this without any factual basis. She’s the gullible one, not Frodo. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Mecon - 2018-12-24 5:49 PM
jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”?
I get my "facts" from the roughly 50% of the country that isn't liberal/progressive/democrat. I sure don't listen to lame stream media liars. I recommend you keep listening to Clinton News Network i.e. fake news. Tell me a year from now what you think was true. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Here's your Russian collusion.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/20/... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | As far as taking orders, let’s take a trip down memory lane to 2012 when Obozo was caught on a hot mic making this remark to Medvedev: “Tell Vlad that I will have more flexibility after the election”. Translation: once I am re-elected, I will be free to work with him. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Gail - 2018-12-26 9:41 AM
I sincerely want to know where the information comes from. I have yet to see any network report correctly on Afghanistan or Syria. And those are not my thoughts they are from the few that actually there.
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You will never hear any lamestream media report on the facts of anything. Fox occasionally hits the target. But I hardly ever watch any of them. I get my news from independent sources. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-26 11:37 AM Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info? Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again. The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to...... (drum roll ).....”the wall”. With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool. It’s actually so obvious to me that I find it amusing.
Once again, A relevant question is asked of Mecon (by Gail) and you feel the need to give a dissertation regarding Mecon. It made me look up exactly what you were talking about and I found this ......
Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.
It incorporates blame shifting. Humans - consciously and unconsciously - constantly make judgments about other people. The psychological criteria for judging others may be partly ingrained, negative and rigid indicating some degree of grandiosity. Blaming provides a way of devaluing others, with the end result that the blamer feels superior, seeing others as less worthwhile making the blamer "perfect". Off-loading blame means putting the other person down by emphasizing his or her flaws
Unfortunately...... this fits more that JUST Mecon ......
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-26 12:46 PM
Bear - 2018-12-26 11:37 AM Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring.  Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info? Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again. The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to...... (drum roll ).....”the wall”. With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool. It’s actually so obvious to me that I find it amusing.
It incorporates blame shifting. Humans - consciously and unconsciously - constantly make judgments about other people. The psychological criteria for judging others may be partly ingrained, negative and rigid indicating some degree of grandiosity. Blaming provides a way of devaluing others, with the end result that the blamer feels superior, seeing others as less worthwhile making the blamer "perfect". Off-loading blame means putting the other person down by emphasizing his or her flawsUnfortunately...... this fits more that JUST Mecon ...... Â
Ummmmm, I’m afraid I’m just a tad more qualified to recognize projection than you are, Norma. I have 40 years of clinical experience.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-26 1:02 PM NJJ - 2018-12-26 12:46 PM Bear - 2018-12-26 11:37 AM Gail - 2018-12-26 9:33 AM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
And for the record the United States have been planning to pull out of Syria since last spring. Did Trump need to announce it to the enemies? Of course not and it reflected very poorly on him. I think everyone agrees on that but saying Putin's influence caused that decision is ridiculous.
Again Mecon - where do you get your info? Gail, here’s what’s going on with Mecon. Like most liberals, she’s been programmed to accuse or label her political enemies of some flaw or defect, of which she herself is unquestionably guilty. In psychology parlance, that’s called “projection”. It’s not just hypocrisy, rather, it’s a tool that has worked with programmable, low information voters for decades. The “racism” mantra by the left has worked for years, when the truth of the matter is they have perfected that mantra and used it over and over and over again. The fact of the matter is the Democrat party is steeped in a rich tradition of racism. Their racism has been revised and re-tooled to a more subtle form of bigotry and racism, but it’s very effective nonetheless. Now they apply the “racism” weapon to everything from vanilla milkshakes to “White Christmas” to...... (drum roll ).....”the wall”. With Mecon, she makes this remark: “Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.” She goes on to say, without evidence, that the President is making decisions on Putin’s orders. In other words, she decries the absence of “rational, fact based argument”, and turns around to do just that. That’s how they use projection as a tool. It’s actually so obvious to me that I find it amusing.
It incorporates blame shifting. Humans - consciously and unconsciously - constantly make judgments about other people. The psychological criteria for judging others may be partly ingrained, negative and rigid indicating some degree of grandiosity. Blaming provides a way of devaluing others, with the end result that the blamer feels superior, seeing others as less worthwhile making the blamer "perfect". Off-loading blame means putting the other person down by emphasizing his or her flaws
Unfortunately...... this fits more that JUST Mecon ......
Ummmmm, I’m afraid I’m just a tad more qualified to recognize projection than you are, Norma. I have 40 years of clinical experience. You have google, snopes, and obnoxious bold bright red font.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Not at all. So far what I’ve said is accurate.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The source of this information is FOIA released documents obtained by Judicial Watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20YpZ2P_qRQ | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Part 2
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Something to share with my friends here. I got my Christmas wish to talk to my son in Afghanistan. Of the 14K deployed in Afghanistan only a very small percentage actually go out and perform combat missions. Those are your Special Operations Forces. (my son included)
We discussed alot of politics on Christmas. And I would like to share the thoughts of those who have TS (Top Secret) clearance and are taking the fight to the enemy. The main sentiment expressed to me was...the world is not black or white, it is grey. Not single political party has all the answers and not one policical party has all the blame. I disagree with Trump on many things. (I don't think I agreed with Hilary on anything) but there is good within both parties. We have to strive to find the good in each other and quit the name calling for the sake of our country. The hatred (or thinly veiled disdain) we express to others who don't share our viewpoints is destructive. The hatred spewed out of the Hollywood left is disgusting but so is the name calling by Trump ( and on this board name calling by BOTH sides) Personal attacks are immature and destroy the chance to build coalitions.
You may think differently about issues depending on your personal experiences. For me having a son in harms way causes me to be extra critical of Trumps waffling on Afghanistan. Maybe he will be the one to stop the "whack a mole" missions that get our boys killed but I won't hold my breathe on that. But under Obama soldiers were not allowed to defend themselves without permisison. The rules of engagement have changed and we can thank General Mattis and Trump for that. Our soldiers can now defend themselves in ways that make sense for a change.
So these are issues that I would like to discuss with anyone. But the name calling on these threads has got to stop. While some of us on this board would like to share our view of what is wrong and right, the reality is a grey world where those distinctions cannot be drawn definitively. So why attack them and call them childish names? What does that accomplish?
I'd like to agree on common goals, then argue about ways to reach them. Listening to an opposing view does not mean you agree with it. But trashing someone else does assure one thing. You forever alienate the very people you hope to convince and gain their support. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get everyone rowing together in the same direction. While still calling them names. Good luck with that one.
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