Bear - 2019-01-24 11:00 PM This is my oldest daughter, Leslie. When her mother and I were engaged, I was 19, and she was 17. Her parents refused to support our decision to get married, understandably, but we were too determined....and too stupid. We had to wait until her mother was 18, so we set date for about 4-5 months after her 18th birthday. As fate would have it, we found out Leslie's mother was pregnant about a month before her 18th birthday. To avoid embarrassment, she wanted to have an abortion. Also, her mom was a very good student and had career aspirations of her own, and having a baby while trying to get through college was going to be a challenge. Realize I was a very naive, foolish, idealistic, stubborn young man at the time as well. For some reason, in this particular instance, my better judgement prevailed. I strongly opposed the notion of an abortion. Something in me could not allow me to justify it. We fought like cats and dogs over it, until one day I told her that if she had an abortion, I would not marry her. I know...it almost sounds a little bass ackwards, but that's how it went. She got mad at me and threw her engagement ring down the street and drove away. I searched for the ring and found it and a day later she came back to me, and I asked her again on bended knee. This time, she decided to keep the baby. Wherever I went, Leslie was usually perched on my shoulders until she became too big....then she just clung to my hand. About 13 years later we ended up divorcing, but I ended up with custody of our kids, so I raised them as a single parent. Leslie is different from the other two in a couple ways. One is that because I was only 20 when she was born, in some ways we were oddly almost like siblings. She stole my sweaters, my car, my ice cream, etc... When she tried out for cheerleading, I was there...along with about 30 moms. When she broke up with her boyfriend in college, I was the one whose shoulder she cried on. When she ever had a dilemma or question about anything, I was the one she called first. When I made rounds at the hospital, she often went along with me and chatted with the nurses. I guess they all thought it was cute, or something like that. Sometimes she would call me and I could tell she needed some time with her dad, so I would have her come home and make her favorite meal....prime rib. Afterwards, we'd watch a movie, and the next day her batteries would be charged and she would return to work or school the next day. What I'm trying to say is that I love all my kids very dearly. They are all uniquely special for different reasons. With Leslie she was and remains my special first born baby girl. When Leslie was screwing up during her first year of college, I gave her an ultimatum. Either she get a minimum of a B average, or I would no longer pay for her room, board, and tuition. She didn't take me seriously, so I gave her one last option....return home, get a job, and pay for all her own expenses for 6 months. She quickly realized that life as a dress shop clerk was not going to cut it for her. She returned to college, but I made her take out a loan for some of her tuition and books. This time around she got straight A's. The photo was taken when she was married, about 12 years ago. She and her husband, Mike, have blessed me with 2 beautiful grandchildren. Leslie is a VP for Wells Fargo, and they live in Minneapolis. She could have been an abortion. I shudder to think of the ripple effect....no memories, no grandkids, nothing.

OregonBR - 2019-01-25 1:01 PM It will be brutal and the GOP has the majority in the Senate. However, you still have to contend with the RINO's like that traitor Romney. I'm starting to REALLY dislike him.

Gator Bug - 2019-01-25 11:17 AM



Yes, we would to deal with 'RINO Romney'. He is just a hypocrite 'Never Trump' hater. BUT...he took Trump's endorsement when he was running BOTH for the Senate and President. He is nothing but a big hypocrite. 

However, I do not believe he is on the Judiciary Committee. I think Josh Hawley  took Flake's place. So, it should get out of Committee. That's the big part. And yes, Romney would be an issue in the Final Senate vote. However, since we picked a couple Senators, we only have to have 51. I think we have 53(?) Republicans plus the VP to break a tie. The margin is not as slim as it was with Kavanaugh. 

I do not think the Dems could stop it. Can they be nasty in the Hearings? Yes. But, other than that, I don't think there is much they can do to stop it. 

OregonBR - 2019-01-25 1:23 PM He is not on the judiciary. However the judiciary votes to pass the candidate to the senate and the senate as a whole votes. That's where the RINO issue comes in. We need 50 votes. Then Pence is the tiebreaker.

OregonBR - 2019-01-25 1:25 PM Romney is not the only RINO. There are 6 that broke party lines. I can forecast they will break party lines again. Hope not. But if they would side with the dems on that, why not the SCOTUS?

rodeomom3 - 2019-01-26 7:14 PM

Graphic video of late term abortion.  No words,  simply horrific and nothing justifies this, no we have to accept it for women’s right, there is absolutely no need to kill a baby, nothing.  Where is our humanity

 https://vimeo.com/104477983?ref=fb-share

MOGirl07 - 2019-01-26 9:21 PM


I'll take your word for it on the video. I can't stomach it. Someone shared photos of babies that had been aborted on fb and I literally felt ill seeing them. I will never understand it.

rodeomom3 - 2019-01-26 7:14 PM

Graphic video of late term abortion.  No words,  simply horrific and nothing justifies this, no we have to accept it for women’s right, there is absolutely no need to kill a baby, nothing.  Where is our humanity

 https://vimeo.com/104477983?ref=fb-share

Bear - 2019-01-27 12:05 PM I’ve seen just about everything imaginable when it comes to human medicine. I could make a list of some of the ugliest, most horrific things that would make a grown man vomit. I’ve seen rotten, decaying corpses, mutilated beheaded bodies, and people’s blackened charred remains....but I’ve never seen anything more gruesome and horrific than this video. This, to me, is just as ugly as anything ISIS has done. In fact, this is worse, because now it’s legal and celebrated. Heimlich Himmler and Adolf Hitler would be proud. This is what the most Blue state in the Union is celebrating.

OhMax - 2019-01-27 2:36 PM I struggle with this. Hear me out. I am pro life - pro my life, pro my future babies lives. I know people personally who have been told their babies are not compatible with life and they have to make the worst decision any parent may have to make. I know of folks who have gone both directions - I don’t judge them, not my decision and I hope never a decision I have to make. I’m not talking about someone who has a perfectly healthy pregnancy at 30 weeks deciding they just don’t feel like it anymore. I can’t comprehend that, I’m just not able to. The people I’m talking about are people who have struggled to get pregnant, suffered miscarriages, truly loved the child they had to make a decision about. I actually have a ton of respect for them for just making it to the next day. I struggle with a lot of aspects, including the non doctor bit. I struggle with the vague definition of the mother’s wellbeing. I have no doubt it will find it’s way into the court system. I do not believe you can legislate morality into or out of a population. Morality is deeper than elected officials, it’s what is in the core of all of us. Legislation is reflective of the moral compass of the larger group (please note I think the elected official that my particular district has chosen to put into office is a blooming idiot). To a moral person legislation like this has no bearing on their life as they wouldn’t choose to act within the boundaries of it. To an immoral person, they will find a way - legal or not. I really struggle with the moral direction of the country.

Bear - 2019-01-27 12:05 PM


I’ve seen just about everything imaginable when it comes to human medicine. I could make a list of some of the ugliest, most horrific things that would make a grown man vomit. I’ve seen rotten, decaying corpses, mutilated beheaded bodies, and people’s blackened charred remains....but I’ve never seen anything more gruesome and horrific than this video.
This, to me, is just as ugly as anything ISIS has done. In fact, this is worse, because now it’s legal and celebrated. Heimlich Himmler and Adolf Hitler would be proud.

This is what the most Blue state in the Union is celebrating.

Gator Bug - 2019-01-27 3:02 PM


I hear you. Did you watch the video? I have known couples that had dead babies (twins) in their womb and had to go through delivery and a stillborn birth at 5 months. Named them and had to bury them. That is NOT what this NY Law is about. 

If you are talking about 'not compatible with life' at 4-5 months meaning Down Syndrome...That already happens under current law. I know of a couple that terminated at 4 months due to this actually in NY. They have to live with and answer for their decision.

This 'new' Law allows for abortion up to birth for the 'health of the mother'... Which can mean mental, emotional and/or financial stress, etc., etc...pick your reason. It can be anything a doctor/non-doctor can justify and they will. AND...with the criminality removed, they can justify anything and not be prosecuted in ANY case. Gosnell couldn't be prosecuted under this 'new' Law. This 'new' Law is nothing but 'on demand abortion'...at questionable facilities no less.

This 'new' and 'progressive' Law has been extremely vague on purpose and for reason.

However, don't kill a pregnant woman in NY (at any trimester) as you will have two murder felonies charged against you. Just how 'jacked up' is that?

MOGirl07 - 2019-01-28 9:48 AM Gator Bug, yes. THIS is what I kept trying to argue to the liberals having a fit on FB bc conservatives are upset about this incredibly vague new law. This article puts into pretty plain language that what libs are touting about this paw is pretty much garbage and a bunch of lies. https://www.liveaction.org/news/four-myths-new-york-abortion-truth/[...

I read the article and it did break the Law down into plain English. Fox and Friends had Dr. Hamada and Cardinal Dolan on this morning. Dr. Hamada explained everything that was in that article. Cardinal Dolan also said that in years past when they have met with Pro-Chiice groups, it has been amicable and discussions on making abortions safe and rare. He said that all has pretty much went out the window now...abortion will not safe and they won't be rare.

As it has been said, Gosnell could do what he did without any prosecution in NY now. I think it was the Cardinal that said if the baby is born alive during an abortion, no medical attention to the baby has to rendere and can be terminated then. Just what Gosnell did. And unfortunately this can be done up until birth if the abortion professional can 'justify' it under any of the ridiculous reasons.

God help us. What are we turning into as a society?

I bet you didn't have much luck with the Libs on FB, did ya? I doubt most of them even know all the details and ramifications of this Law.

Edited by Gator Bug 2019-01-28 11:10 AM

Gator Bug - 2019-01-28 11:06 AM


Of course I didn't get anywhere with them and I was treated like a moron because "no one just carries a baby for 8 mos and decides they dont want it. Smh." And "this law is to protect women put in impossible situations" and insinuating conservatives are making up crap about loopholes. I didn't have the energy to argue with people who don't want to see it for what it is.

I had shared a post to my fb. And deleted it bc a very liberal family member doesnt know when to just keep scrolling. She has been added to a group of friends I created when I don't want them to see certain things I post....meaning political things. If you can't respect that I can post whatever the heck I want to my own wall then I'll keep you from seeing it. Plain and simple.

And yeah. Clearly these people have NEVER read about the atrocities Gosnell committed. There's nothing in place now to keep another monster like this from resurfacing.



Edited by MOGirl07 2019-01-28 1:35 PM