you can mitigate your arse off, I celebrate your choice. 

But you are not telling me what to do. Now or ever 

Really??? Wow!!! It be different if there was concrete evidence on what really works! No one knows for sure!!! Bc there is agendas into play! If you took the agendas out...You have CDC saying you should do this and then they say no you should do this...

No one knows how to stop the spread! Just like no one knows how to stop the spread of any of the other viruses.

No one knows if the protocal is right or wrong. Its not been here long enough! and you saying to suck it up do you mean when the vaccine comes out we should just all take it bc that's the protocol... vaccine is going to kill some, make some sick, and wont do nothing to some...but bc its protocol we should all do it bc they said to do it.

No I wont suck it up and just do it bc government, cdc, whoever says you should do it just becasue

Gawd forbid anyone be told  what to do, or adopt any of the minimally inconvenient things that might just help to save a life.  Screw the medical providers and front line workers who put their lives on the line every day.  Their lives are in no way as important as "your freedom". For years the majority on this forum have paid lip service to the " sanctity of life".   That concern sure seems to disappear if it requires putting some personal action where their mouths are.

I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving with all your friends and family.  I also hope Karma doesn't come to the party and make it a Christmas you will never forget.  It has a way of changing peoples minds.

I agree with SCWrangler you all are sure into telling other people what to do on things if it suits you.

So what is your opinion on the "sanctity of life"?  Do you see it as contradictory to condemn what sounds like hypocrisy while condoning abortion? Are you suggesting a moral equivalence between resisting shutdowns and premeditated extermination of a life?  
I wear a mask when appropriate. We are careful.  I think shutdowns are even more deadly than the status quo.  Point being a lot of this is debated back and forth. I disagree with your moral equivalence.....unless, of course, you are also opposed to infanticide.  If I'm mistaken then I apologize. 

^^^^ No Additional words needed .........

I will have a wonderful time. 

Probalby going to invite some homeless over as well for our "pox" party 

Me and most of mine have already had Rice Rabies and brushed it off like a cold. 

As stated before, you take care of you and I'll take care of me. 

You sure like to read in what fits your narrative.

I am simply stating  I find a lot of hypocracy in claiming to be all about the sancity of life and than turning around and getting your panties in a wad because someone suggests wearing a mask and social distancing.  I do not want to see this country shut down, but if people cannot get on board and follow the simplest of suggestions, no one will have to mandate a shut down.  The country and economy, the medical system will come to a grinding halt regardless. 

And for the record. I find all life precioue, be it the unborn or a ninety eight year old grandma.  

So we should do what you say.  How bout you do what what I say?

You believe in masks   I dont

You dont have proof that it works.  even the box says doesnt protect you against the virus!

Just because I dont believe in mask protecting against the virus doesnt mean I dont take precaution or have considerations for other people.  Or dont respect the healthcare workers or anyone dealing with virus!

And I dont disregard anyone or give them dirty looks because they wearing a mask but the looks I get! lol

What bout the soldiers that fought for our country to have the freedom to do as we believe in as long as we not breaking the law.  Wearing masks not law! its reccommendation.  Just like a flu shot recommendation but its my choice if I take it or not. 

It should be my choice if I follow the suggested protocol or not.  Just like its your choice if you follow the protocol or not.  I dont say to you Oh just suck it up and dont wear a mask! or dont follow protocol!

It isn't about the "China Virus", it's about warming the lemmings up for compliance...yes, your Leftist agenda.

Where exactly is this threat of jdez you speak of on THIS THREAD?This thread looks to me like everyone is stating their own opinions on the post,I dont really see any attacks,LOONEY DEMOCRATS JUST MAKE STUFF UPYou just keep writing the same thing over and over,I thought the people of Indiana could speak better than that.Oh,im sorry,MOST of the state is rebublican,NOT DOG FACE PONY DEMOCRATS,here,let me help your friends out,Ill go hit the laughing till you cry button

Let's not forget that covid 19 has cured the flu!! There are almost no flu cases!!

If that doesn't prove how much bs the covid response has been I don't know what would convince that person/s of why it upsets some of us to 'go along' with whatever whoever tells us to do. 

When have you ever been told that you know nothing on a horse thread, I read all the horse threads and never seen anyone say that "you know nothing", so I call all what you just said Bullsheets. You just look for something to complan about, I dont feel sorry for you one bit.. You always come on here to start cra* and you do a really good job of it, you are really good at insults so kudles to you , why cant you just come on here and just join in a normal discussion and leave all the insults at home, you always just twist every bodys opinons and normal talk around into something they didnt say, why is that?!!

Edited to add: The horse rearing in the alley, we need more information befor any body else can give their opinion on the rearing horse, the broodmare deworming, dont have a answer for that, whats your opinions? I dont ever see you giving opinons on the horse threads are any replys on any. You just come out of the woodwork to talk down to anyones opinions on the non horsey threads, Why do you think you are better then everyone else on here?

Turnburnsis, I am quoting just to add on with you...

In the heirarchy of controls mitigating risk of COVID, masks are at the bottom. They are the last defense. A N95 mask even in a hospital situation are only good for two hours. A huge portion of people don't even use them correctly or change them enough to keep from comprimising their own immune systems even if they do not have a pre-existing condition.

The most referenced study and one the CDC touts on for mask use is highly flawed and not peer reviewed. While the "study" was being conducted they instilled several other controls that are found to be much more effective in controlling spread but yet claimed masks were the reason for decreased cases. Yet it is the most quoted study advocating public mask use. I should add, obviously, this study was performed in a hospital system! How is the basis for mandating mask use in public?

Last week mainstream media showed up in our little town and broadcast across the nation that our hospital is close to capacity. You know what they didn't mention? Last spring in the first shutdown, you know the one that was to slow the spread to not overwhelm hospitals and give them time to prepare? Our health system supposedly let people go. They did not prepare for the flu season and now theyv'e been caught with their Richard in their hand. Oddly enough my best friend is a RN working in a surgical center, worked in ER for several years. When this first hit last spring, they cancelled elective surguries, put her on the list for phone triage and if it got bad she would be called to ER. She hasn't been called to do phone triage or ER yet this fall. My sister in law is also an RN and works in ER but in a different state supposedly hard hit according to the media, she has the week off for Thanksgiving.

I don't work in healthcare and I am not going to pretend as if I know what goes on but the above instances makes me raise an eyebrow. In the past I have worked in a few settings where I needed to be OSHA trained  for respirators and so has my husband. This mask mandate that keeps getting shoved down our throats supposedly for the "greater good" doesn't add up.

Having mask requirements at a city, county and state level, let alone nationally is an outright and blatant infringement of our Constitutional Rights.

" America has been conditioned to believe that freedom is selfishness." I agree.

(I wish I could remember who said that for credit)

Well, I am heartened to learn you are pro-life.  Here I thought you were being hypocritical.  Shame on me for assuming you are one of those who are pro-choice or pro-abortion.  I apologize.  
Here's what I think is going on.  I think people are fed up with being herded like sheep and being told what to do....under threat of penalty of law in many instances.  People are pis$ed off at being told by experts that we don't need masks.  In fact they were expressly told NOT to wear masks.  They were told by the media that the flu should be our main concern.  They were told they should get out and enjoy ourselves in places like NY and San Fran.  They were told that Trump's travel bans from China and Europe were an overreaction.  And yes, they were told Covid was going to go away.  They were told if we just shut everything down for 2 weeks, we could flatten the curve and our hospitals would be not be overwhelmed.  Then they said we needed another 4 weeks to flatten the curve.  They were told that Trump said he hoped Hydroxychloroquine would be a game changer.  They were then told the drug was no good and dangerous.  Then they kept hearing of large studies that claimed to show it was beneficial.  They watched as experts initially debated over this and then they saw that debate squelched by the media and social media.  They were told that the silver bullet would be the development of a vaccine.  They watched as the so-called experts claimed we didn't  have a prayer of a vaccine until late 2021: at the earliest, if ever.  They were told we didn't make things like testing a priority.  Then they are told the tests are no good.  Then we are told New York and LA were going to be overwhelmed by sick Covid patients, many of whom would die because of inadequate ventilators.  They see a government response that beat all expectations in terms of ramping up testing, making ventilators, and even creating hospitals with 1000-2000 bed capacity, two of which were converted hospital ships.  They were told of each new therapeutic that became available for Covid....Dexamethasone, Remdesivir, convalescent plasma, and now monoclonal antibody.  People watched as the contradictions and conflicting views by "experts" filled the news feeds.  People were told we were in another Great Depression after the GDP dropped by a staggering 30% within 4-5 months and the unemployment rate rose from 3.5% to 16% over the same time span....most of this due to the 6 week shutdown. Now people are seeing a growing rekindling of the calls for more shutdowns after our unemployment rate rebounded to 6% and our GDP regained what was lost a few months later.  People who support Trump are sick and tired of watching him work his ass off all year, and they are tired of being told the Covid pandemic and it's economic disaster was because of Trump.  Now we are hearing that three different vaccines have completed phase III trials, with very good results, with tens of millions of doses set to be distributed in a couple weeks.  Now people are being told by Democrat leaders to be wary of the vaccine because it was developed too quickly.  Yup, you read that right.  The president saw to it that needless delays could safely be eliminated.  Of course the television media, the print media, social media, and big tech worked in unison to sew the seeds of doubt about a vaccine.

So now we come full circle.  We are told we are ignorant and selfish because many don't have uniform confidence that the masks make a lot of difference. We are told that we need to prepare for more shutdowns.  People notice the lack of any sensible discussion of the actual lethal consequences of shutdowns in the media.  People are pis$ed off when they see their small family owned businesses being forcibly shut down, while the sweat shops at Amazon distribution centers, Target, and WalMart are allowed to continue business.  It's at this stage that people realize the ultra Uber rich oligarchs control the narrative.....and the people.  People are watching in horror at what Marxist liberal factions are destroying this country. 
To make matters worse, a huge percentage of the citizens believe that Joe Biden won a rigged election, and the prospects of total control of the executive and legislative branches of government will ultimately result in control of the judicial branch, either by packing the courts, granting statehood to Puerto Rico and DC, or both. They are terrified at what they are seeing, and the prospects of liberal, Marxist, progressive dingbats having control over them.

But hey, just shut up, put on your mask, forget Thanksgiving and Christmas, close down your shop, and wait for the "all clear".....all you selfish fools.  

That's what's happening.

Why should I bother. You all have a dr on board already. I just choose to listen to my own dr. Doesn't matter what he says. If I posted his info, it would just be picked apart. 

ok  question  for you math wizzzs

so    i may be wrong  been wrong before

United States

Total cases 12.4M +141K

Recovered -

Deaths 257K +843

diided by = 0.0207258    so if i am right.....

vjls - 2020-11-23 7:04 PM

ok  question  for you math wizzzs

so    i may be wrong  been wrong before

 

 

Cases overview

United States

Total cases 12.4M +141K

Recovered -

Deaths 257K +843

diided by = 0.0207258    so if i am right.....

I'm not following you, Vicky.  What are you asking?

sorry  we have 12.4 million cases  of which 257000 died  what is the % of deaths

i got and i am no math wiz  0.0207 %

i wonder what % is heath disease  obesity

Well, your numbers come out to 2.07%.  In other words, of those who test positive for Covid, 2% die.  That's not accurate, however, in my opinion, if we are to believe the CDC.  Last summer the CDC conducted antibody studies in several sample areas of the country.  They found that at least TEN times the number of reported Covid19 cases had antibodies to Covid19.  In other words, the number of people who have had Covid19 is at least TEN times the reported number of cases.  So, instead of 12.4 million "cases", if you accept the CDC's findings, then at least 124 million people have had the virus.  That's over 1/3rd of the entire US population.  If that is true, then the case fatality rate is 0.2%, rather than 2%.  If you are reasonably healthy and under 65, your risk of dying from Covid even if you contract the virus is very close to influenza.  For kids, the lethality of influenza is greater than Covid.
Are you following me?  

Lovkdowns force everyone indoors.  That's where the virus thrives.  We need to protect the vulnerable, not use the shotgun approach of locking everyone up with widespread shutdowns.  The virus is demonstrably ubiquitous....it's everywhere.