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   Location: Randolph, Utah | vjls - 2020-12-28 7:06 AM
i am so mad why did he cave
I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it had something to do with the unemployment benefits expiring. Aren't they still fighting over the amount? | |
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | JcNhEmI - 2020-12-28 10:54 AM
vjls - 2020-12-28 7:06 AM
i am so mad why did he cave
I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it had something to do with the unemployment benefits expiring. Aren't they still fighting over the amount?
it doesn 't matter what the amount is.
Printing money is bad fiscal policy, giving money to other countries when ours is burning to the ground is not good fiscal policy.
He caved, all the chest beating in the world doesn't negate the fact he had an oportunity rewrite history and he caved. | |
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        Location: Kansas | 1DSoon - 2020-12-28 9:58 AM JcNhEmI - 2020-12-28 10:54 AM vjls - 2020-12-28 7:06 AM i am so mad why did he cave I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it had something to do with the unemployment benefits expiring. Aren't they still fighting over the amount? it doesn 't matter what the amount is.
Printing money is bad fiscal policy, giving money to other countries when ours is burning to the ground is not good fiscal policy.
He caved, all the chest beating in the world doesn't negate the fact he had an oportunity rewrite history and he caved. I think the real pressure was coming from fear of losing the Senate seats in Georgia because of his desire to do the right thing. It's nothing to mess with. If the Dems take control of the Senate we are in deep doo-doo.
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     Location: Texas | texpat - 2020-12-26 5:48 AM
Murr - 2020-12-25 8:42 AM
Don't understand-- People dying by thousands-starving, and waiting for money---The President is golfing.---very hard to understand??
With $600. you'll have just enough to get the neck tattoo of "The Squad" and have your Antifa uniform dry cleaned.
     
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        Location: Kansas | BarrelRacing4Christ - 2020-12-28 12:41 PM texpat - 2020-12-26 5:48 AM Murr - 2020-12-25 8:42 AM Don't understand-- People dying by thousands-starving, and waiting for money---The President is golfing.---very hard to understand?? With $600. you'll have just enough to get the neck tattoo of "The Squad" and have your Antifa uniform dry cleaned.      
It makes me laugh to hear libs make remarks about Trump golfing. The guy doesn't even take a salary and has been the hardest working president we've ever had. Barack Obama spent at least a week or two every year in Hawaii and made many trips to Martha's Vineyard for vacation time. He loved to golf and never missed a paycheck. Somehow that $400,000 a year has turned him into a multi-millionaire. Hmmm, wondered how that happened. Remember Barry's top priority when he first became president.....waterboarding and freeing terrorists.
Edited by Frodo 2020-12-28 1:12 PM
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| Frodo - 2020-12-28 12:00 PM
1DSoon - 2020-12-28 9:58 AM
JcNhEmI - 2020-12-28 10:54 AM
vjls - 2020-12-28 7:06 AM
i am so mad why did he cave
I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it had something to do with the unemployment benefits expiring. Aren't they still fighting over the amount?
it doesn 't matter what the amount is.
Printing money is bad fiscal policy, giving money to other countries when ours is burning to the ground is not good fiscal policy.
He caved, all the chest beating in the world doesn't negate the fact he had an oportunity rewrite history and he caved.
I think the real pressure was coming from fear of losing the Senate seats in Georgia because of his desire to do the right thing. It's nothing to mess with. If the Dems take control of the Senate we are in deep doo-doo.
You can thank republicans, especially GA for the senate deep doo doo if it happens. | |
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2020-12-28 1:08 PM BarrelRacing4Christ - 2020-12-28 12:41 PM texpat - 2020-12-26 5:48 AM Murr - 2020-12-25 8:42 AM Don't understand-- People dying by thousands-starving, and waiting for money---The President is golfing.---very hard to understand?? With $600. you'll have just enough to get the neck tattoo of "The Squad" and have your Antifa uniform dry cleaned.      
It makes me laugh to hear libs make remarks about Trump golfing. The guy doesn't even take a salary and has been the hardest working president we've ever had. Barack Obama spent at least a week or two every year in Hawaii and made many trips to Martha's Vineyard for vacation time. He loved to golf and never missed a paycheck. Somehow that $400,000 a year has turned him into a multi-millionaire. Hmmm, wondered how that happened. Remember Barry's top priority when he first became president.....waterboarding and freeing terrorists. Before you blather on and on and on .......you REALLY NEED to look up statistics ...... George H.W. Bush ....... Net worth 25M 50-75K per speech and royalties from books George W. Bush .... Net Worth 40M) Doubled his money after his Presidency with 100 - 175K PER speech earning him tens of millions Bill Clinton AND wife (net worth 80M) 211K Per Speech - He and wife gave 729 speeches and received millions from book deals Obama (net worth 70M) 400K Per Speech ..... he had already made 15M+ on 2 previous books when he signed an EIGHT figure deal for more books The point is EVERY President has made MILLIONS after leaving office Vacation days .... George HW Bush - 543 (4 years) George W. Bush - 1020 (8 years) Bill Clinton - 345 (8 years) Obama - 328 (8 years) TRUMP - 378 (FOUR YEARS) Golf ????? Donald Trump donates his presidential salary ($400,000/year - 1.6 MILLION) to charity ...... But how much has he used of the Americans' money to play golf in the past three years and eleven months? Try tens of millions of dollars. Also, you know why he plays golf on courses he owns? The government pays for his golf, and whom do they pay? Donald Trump; since he owns the course he gets paid. He plays golf, we pay for him playing, and he pockets the payment. We put up the Secret Service and entourage in HIS resort and WE PAY TRUMP ....... His one trip to his Scotland resort cost the taxpayers 1.1 MILLION ..... Since taking office on Jan. 20, 2017, Trump has reportedly been on the grounds of his golf courses or played golf elsewhere 306 times since becoming President, and that's as of Dec. 27, 2020.
Edited by NJJ 2020-12-28 2:28 PM
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | United States citizens are dying of the virus, going without food, on the verge of being evicted and meanwhile, we have Congrees quibbling over stimulus money ..... and taxpayer money funding GOLF TRIPS ....... 306 to date ...... So don't put out the BULLSH*T about the comparable pennies that he is donating ...... "Through October 2020, Donald Trump's golf rounds have cost an estimated $140 million to taxpayers. Of course, that's an estimate based on a variety of factors, but we can't give you an exact cost for each round. We don't have perfect information to tell you with certainty how much all of the factors cost together. We can estimate the cost per round, which is driven by Secret Service usage, transportation costs for motorcades and Air Force One, as well potential Coast Guard fees. Trump's golf rounds cost the American taxpayer approximately $600,000 on average. The most expensive rounds Trump plays are in Florida, followed by at Trump National Washington, D.C., in northern Virginia, then at Trump National Bedminster in New Jersey. Trip to Scotland resort cost 1.1 million. Each time Trump plays golf, the American taxpayer handles some cost. Each and every time, Trump is flanked by Secret Service, who not only protect him while he's on his golf properties but also secures the golf club in question to make sure no uninvited guests try to infiltrate the grounds. That costs money. However, it's unclear the all-in Secret Service cost of the man hours to protect and secure. We do know Secret Service agents are paid approximately $50 per hour, but we don't know how many agents there are on his detail at a golf club. However, these would be considered sunk costs anyhow, as these agents incur annual salaries regardless of where and when they're doing their routine work. We know the Secret Service has racked up $765,000 in golf cart rental bills with contracts with private providers (Trump is NOT making money on those carts), with rolling contracts. We know, through late 2017, the Secret Service has paid some $8,600 so far for portable toilets to use while on the ground of Trump's golf clubs. Ballistic glass is also needed, and the Secret Service has a mobile office, which costs money. The Coast Guard is required to protect nearby waterways when Trump visits Trump International Golf Club in Jupiter vis a vis Mar-a-Lago and Trump National D.C., which fronts the Potomac River. The Coast Guard cost at Mar-a-Lago is estimated to be $236,000 per day. These costs would apply whether or not Trump plays golf when he's at Mar-a-Lago. The cost for Coast Guard at his Ashburn club is substantially lower and must be paid each time Trump goes there. When Trump flies to these resorts, he uses Air Force One. (He uses a motorcade to go to Trump National in northern Virginia, which has its own cost.) The Congressional Research Service estimated in 2012 the hourly cost of the Presidential 747 (any plane the President is on becomes Air Force One) at $179,750. It is now estimated at $206,337 per hour, though there are classified costs the Government Accountability Office cannot reveal."
Edited by NJJ 2020-12-28 2:21 PM
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| Barry and Big Michelle frequently flew to the same destination on separate aircraft (remember the entourage they towed to Europe), spending taxpayer money like a gangbanger with a stolen credit card. President Trump has earned his vacations, and a new Nobel prize for competency, patriotism and exemplary leadership should also be created, with him being the first recipient. How about Mt. Rushmore? | |
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        Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2020-12-28 2:20 PM
United States citizens are dying of the virus, going without food, on the verge of being evicted and meanwhile, we have Congrees quibbling over stimulus money ..... and taxpayer money funding GOLF TRIPS ....... 306 to date ...... So don't put out the BULLSH*T about the comparable pennies that he is donating ......
"Through October 2020, Donald Trump's golf rounds have cost an estimated $140 million to taxpayers. Of course, that's an estimate based on a variety of factors, but we can't give you an exact cost for each round. We don't have perfect information to tell you with certainty how much all of the factors cost together. We can estimate the cost per round, which is driven by Secret Service usage, transportation costs for motorcades and Air Force One, as well potential Coast Guard fees. Trump's golf rounds cost the American taxpayer approximately $600,000 on average.
The most expensive rounds Trump plays are in Florida, followed by at Trump National Washington, D.C., in northern Virginia, then at Trump National Bedminster in New Jersey. Trip to Scotland resort cost 1.1 million.
Each time Trump plays golf, the American taxpayer handles some cost. Each and every time, Trump is flanked by Secret Service, who not only protect him while he's on his golf properties but also secures the golf club in question to make sure no uninvited guests try to infiltrate the grounds. That costs money. However, it's unclear the all-in Secret Service cost of the man hours to protect and secure. We do know Secret Service agents are paid approximately $50 per hour, but we don't know how many agents there are on his detail at a golf club. However, these would be considered sunk costs anyhow, as these agents incur annual salaries regardless of where and when they're doing their routine work.
We know the Secret Service has racked up $765,000 in golf cart rental bills with contracts with private providers (Trump is NOT making money on those carts), with rolling contracts.
We know, through late 2017, the Secret Service has paid some $8,600 so far for portable toilets to use while on the ground of Trump's golf clubs. Ballistic glass is also needed, and the Secret Service has a mobile office, which costs money.
The Coast Guard is required to protect nearby waterways when Trump visits Trump International Golf Club in Jupiter vis a vis Mar-a-Lago and Trump National D.C., which fronts the Potomac River. The Coast Guard cost at Mar-a-Lago is estimated to be $236,000 per day. These costs would apply whether or not Trump plays golf when he's at Mar-a-Lago. The cost for Coast Guard at his Ashburn club is substantially lower and must be paid each time Trump goes there.
When Trump flies to these resorts, he uses Air Force One. (He uses a motorcade to go to Trump National in northern Virginia, which has its own cost.) The Congressional Research Service estimated in 2012 the hourly cost of the Presidential 747 (any plane the President is on becomes Air Force One) at $179,750. It is now estimated at $206,337 per hour, though there are classified costs the Government Accountability Office cannot reveal."
I will assume you get your information directly from liberal media because this is the biggest pile of poopy I ever scanned over as it's certainly not worth taking the time to read. Did it occur to you that most of these presidents were already wealthy when they went into office. | |
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | texpat - 2020-12-28 2:34 PM
Barry and Big Michelle frequently flew to the same destination on separate aircraft (remember the entourage they towed to Europe), spending taxpayer money like a gangbanger with a stolen credit card. President Trump has earned his vacations, and a new Nobel prize for competency, patriotism and exemplary leadership should also be created, with him being the first recipient. How about Mt. Rushmore?
EIGHT YEARS ....... "Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, obtained government records in December 2016 near the end of the Obama administration and summarized the Obama family's eight years of travel, putting the known cost at $96.9 million." | |
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        Location: Kansas | texpat - 2020-12-28 2:34 PM
Barry and Big Michelle frequently flew to the same destination on separate aircraft (remember the entourage they towed to Europe), spending taxpayer money like a gangbanger with a stolen credit card. President Trump has earned his vacations, and a new Nobel prize for competency, patriotism and exemplary leadership should also be created, with him being the first recipient. How about Mt. Rushmore?
They went to Hawaii on Air Force One and since it was Michelle's birthday she decided to stay and sunbathe. Barry went back and sent Air Force Two back for her when she was ready to return. | |
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| NJJ - 2020-12-28 3:04 PM
texpat - 2020-12-28 2:34 PM
Barry and Big Michelle frequently flew to the same destination on separate aircraft (remember the entourage they towed to Europe), spending taxpayer money like a gangbanger with a stolen credit card. President Trump has earned his vacations, and a new Nobel prize for competency, patriotism and exemplary leadership should also be created, with him being the first recipient. How about Mt. Rushmore?
EIGHT YEARS ....... "Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, obtained government records in December 2016 near the end of the Obama administration and summarized the Obama family's eight years of travel, putting the known cost at $96.9 million."
That's tellin' me...but...but...but we're talkin' about a significant amount of folding money. | |
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| NJJ - 2020-12-28 1:45 PM
Frodo - 2020-12-28 1:08 PM
BarrelRacing4Christ - 2020-12-28 12:41 PM
texpat - 2020-12-26 5:48 AM
Murr - 2020-12-25 8:42 AM
Don't understand-- People dying by thousands-starving, and waiting for money---The President is golfing.---very hard to understand??
With $600. you'll have just enough to get the neck tattoo of "The Squad" and have your Antifa uniform dry cleaned.
     
It makes me laugh to hear libs make remarks about Trump golfing. The guy doesn't even take a salary and has been the hardest working president we've ever had.
Barack Obama spent at least a week or two every year in Hawaii and made many trips to Martha's Vineyard for vacation time. He loved to golf and never missed a paycheck. Somehow that $400,000 a year has turned him into a multi-millionaire. Hmmm, wondered how that happened. Remember Barry's top priority when he first became president.....waterboarding and freeing terrorists.
Before you blather on and on and on .......you REALLY NEED to look up statistics ......
George H.W. Bush ....... Net worth 25M
50-75K per speech and royalties from books
George W. Bush .... Net Worth 40M)
Doubled his money after his Presidency with 100 - 175K PER speech earning him tens of millions
Bill Clinton AND wife (net worth 80M)
211K Per Speech - He and wife gave 729 speeches and received millions from book deals
Obama (net worth 70M)
400K Per Speech ..... he had already made 15M+ on 2 previous books when he signed an EIGHT figure deal for more books
The point is EVERY President has made MILLIONS after leaving office
Vacation days ....
George HW Bush - 543 (4 years)
George W. Bush - 1020 (8 years)
Bill Clinton - 345 (8 years)
Obama - 328 (8 years)
TRUMP - 378 (FOUR YEARS)
Golf ?????
Donald Trump donates his presidential salary ($400,000/year - 1.6 MILLION) to charity ...... But how much has he used of the Americans' money to play golf in the past three years and eleven months? Try tens of millions of dollars. Also, you know why he plays golf on courses he owns? The government pays for his golf, and whom do they pay? Donald Trump; since he owns the course he gets paid. He plays golf, we pay for him playing, and he pockets the payment. We put up the Secret Service and entourage in HIS resort and WE PAY TRUMP ....... His one trip to his Scotland resort cost the taxpayers 1.1 MILLION .....
Since taking office on Jan. 20, 2017, Trump has reportedly been on the grounds of his golf courses or played golf elsewhere 306 times since becoming President, and that's as of Dec. 27, 2020.
All those presidents are part of the deep state or New World Order and they are the swamp so what's your point? | |
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Scootch - 2020-12-28 4:57 PM
Trump did not cave as he red lined a lot pork.
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2020-12-28 3:03 PM NJJ - 2020-12-28 2:20 PM United States citizens are dying of the virus, going without food, on the verge of being evicted and meanwhile, we have Congrees quibbling over stimulus money ..... and taxpayer money funding GOLF TRIPS ....... 306 to date ...... So don't put out the BULLSH*T about the comparable pennies that he is donating ...... "Through October 2020, Donald Trump's golf rounds have cost an estimated $140 million to taxpayers. Of course, that's an estimate based on a variety of factors, but we can't give you an exact cost for each round. We don't have perfect information to tell you with certainty how much all of the factors cost together. We can estimate the cost per round, which is driven by Secret Service usage, transportation costs for motorcades and Air Force One, as well potential Coast Guard fees. Trump's golf rounds cost the American taxpayer approximately $600,000 on average. The most expensive rounds Trump plays are in Florida, followed by at Trump National Washington, D.C., in northern Virginia, then at Trump National Bedminster in New Jersey. Trip to Scotland resort cost 1.1 million. Each time Trump plays golf, the American taxpayer handles some cost. Each and every time, Trump is flanked by Secret Service, who not only protect him while he's on his golf properties but also secures the golf club in question to make sure no uninvited guests try to infiltrate the grounds. That costs money. However, it's unclear the all-in Secret Service cost of the man hours to protect and secure. We do know Secret Service agents are paid approximately $50 per hour, but we don't know how many agents there are on his detail at a golf club. However, these would be considered sunk costs anyhow, as these agents incur annual salaries regardless of where and when they're doing their routine work. We know the Secret Service has racked up $765,000 in golf cart rental bills with contracts with private providers (Trump is NOT making money on those carts), with rolling contracts. We know, through late 2017, the Secret Service has paid some $8,600 so far for portable toilets to use while on the ground of Trump's golf clubs. Ballistic glass is also needed, and the Secret Service has a mobile office, which costs money. The Coast Guard is required to protect nearby waterways when Trump visits Trump International Golf Club in Jupiter vis a vis Mar-a-Lago and Trump National D.C., which fronts the Potomac River. The Coast Guard cost at Mar-a-Lago is estimated to be $236,000 per day. These costs would apply whether or not Trump plays golf when he's at Mar-a-Lago. The cost for Coast Guard at his Ashburn club is substantially lower and must be paid each time Trump goes there. When Trump flies to these resorts, he uses Air Force One. (He uses a motorcade to go to Trump National in northern Virginia, which has its own cost.) The Congressional Research Service estimated in 2012 the hourly cost of the Presidential 747 (any plane the President is on becomes Air Force One) at $179,750. It is now estimated at $206,337 per hour, though there are classified costs the Government Accountability Office cannot reveal." I will assume you get your information directly from liberal media because this is the biggest pile of poopy I ever scanned over as it's certainly not worth taking the time to read. Did it occur to you that most of these presidents were already wealthy when they went into office. Government tracking (You do know that they track the TAXPAYER money spent!) so NO liberal media ... nice try though ....and Obama was also a millionaire (1.2) when he entered the Presidency ..... I noticed that you didn't comment on the money the TAXPAYERS have spent on 306 golf excusions ..... and you didn't comment on the number of days vacation compared to others ..... OR the 1.1 MILLION spent on his 3 day trip to his Scotland Resort ...... hmmmmm!
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | Scootch - 2020-12-28 3:55 PM
NJJ - 2020-12-28 1:45 PM
Frodo - 2020-12-28 1:08 PM
BarrelRacing4Christ - 2020-12-28 12:41 PM
texpat - 2020-12-26 5:48 AM
Murr - 2020-12-25 8:42 AM
Don't understand-- People dying by thousands-starving, and waiting for money---The President is golfing.---very hard to understand??
With $600. you'll have just enough to get the neck tattoo of "The Squad" and have your Antifa uniform dry cleaned.
     
It makes me laugh to hear libs make remarks about Trump golfing. The guy doesn't even take a salary and has been the hardest working president we've ever had.
Barack Obama spent at least a week or two every year in Hawaii and made many trips to Martha's Vineyard for vacation time. He loved to golf and never missed a paycheck. Somehow that $400,000 a year has turned him into a multi-millionaire. Hmmm, wondered how that happened. Remember Barry's top priority when he first became president.....waterboarding and freeing terrorists.
Before you blather on and on and on .......you REALLY NEED to look up statistics ......
George H.W. Bush ....... Net worth 25M
50-75K per speech and royalties from books
George W. Bush .... Net Worth 40M)
Doubled his money after his Presidency with 100 - 175K PER speech earning him tens of millions
Bill Clinton AND wife (net worth 80M)
211K Per Speech - He and wife gave 729 speeches and received millions from book deals
Obama (net worth 70M)
400K Per Speech ..... he had already made 15M+ on 2 previous books when he signed an EIGHT figure deal for more books
The point is EVERY President has made MILLIONS after leaving office
Vacation days ....
George HW Bush - 543 (4 years)
George W. Bush - 1020 (8 years)
Bill Clinton - 345 (8 years)
Obama - 328 (8 years)
TRUMP - 378 (FOUR YEARS)
Golf ?????
Donald Trump donates his presidential salary ($400,000/year - 1.6 MILLION) to charity ...... But how much has he used of the Americans' money to play golf in the past three years and eleven months? Try tens of millions of dollars. Also, you know why he plays golf on courses he owns? The government pays for his golf, and whom do they pay? Donald Trump; since he owns the course he gets paid. He plays golf, we pay for him playing, and he pockets the payment. We put up the Secret Service and entourage in HIS resort and WE PAY TRUMP ....... His one trip to his Scotland resort cost the taxpayers 1.1 MILLION .....
Since taking office on Jan. 20, 2017, Trump has reportedly been on the grounds of his golf courses or played golf elsewhere 306 times since becoming President, and that's as of Dec. 27, 2020.
All those presidents are part of the deep state or New World Order and they are the swamp so what's your point?
^^^^ That's probably the funniest post yet ..... Do you get your info from Parler? LOLOLOLOLOLOL | |
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | NJJ are you just trying to confuse folks with facts?? | |
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       Location: Displaced Iowegian | SC Wrangler - 2020-12-28 6:22 PM
NJJ are you just trying to confuse folks with facts??
LOL ...... I don't think it is working ..... more but...but....but and what about? | |
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