I know you are wanting a fight.  However if this is what we are discussing over coffee.  I think the black woman deserves to be shot just like white woman was.  If you do the crime you should pay.  I'm not against the death penalty or shooting someone in the act of a crime.  I do wonder why they need to shoot them sometimes 17+ times or in the back, just seems like over kill and IMO makes them look bad.

ETA:  Who is this black woman?  Are you refering to Breonna Taylor?  If so you may want to read up on that case a bit.

Nope, not looking for a fight right now, especially when you see things my way. 

Yes, I think we are internet acquaintances, having a civil discussion over differing ideals. As Americans, we play for the same team. 

In your scenario, no, I don't think a white officer would be prosecuted for shooting the hypothetical black woman, in the scene and parameters you laid out. I don't. It's a little similar to the shooting death of Breonna Taylor. Those officers, in the course of carrying out their duties, were shot at by Taylor's startled boyfriend, and the officers shot in defense, killing Taylor. (The chief difference of course, is that Taylor was a victim, and was non-threatening and not the subject of their interest.) 

I'm particularly struck by your last couple of sentences: "To those who want to see this country destroyed from within, they couldn't care less about any of this.  All they care about is continuing to promote deep division, hate, strife, and civil war."

The insurrectionists of January 6 are precisely the people you've described, trying to destroy from within. They literally went into the halls of our Capitol with the idea of violating a legal and sanctioned election. Despite dozens of lawsuits, investigations, and judicial review - some of them by Trump appointees and nominees - there's been no credible evidence of a "stolen" election. All they cared about was following the malignant misguidance of their leader. 

The rioters carried bats, metal poles, stolen police shields, bear mace and zip tie handcuffs into that building. They erected a gallows and a noose. They shouted threats, hunted and targeted specific lawmakers. They tased and beat and maced police officers. They also carried the Stars and Bars with them. Who is it that is promoting division, hate, strife and civil war?

Those who planned this event are the ones who could care less about unity in America! And Investigative Reports via DOJ and FBI are saying this event was planned! And the planners are or were BLM and Antifa! GASP! This too is being reported by the same FBI and DOJ! The pipebombs uncovered outside The DNC & GOP Headquarters were preplanted prior to this event which spells Planning and Conspiracy..............And not from Trump Supporters!

Everything I have mentioned in regards to Jan 6th has been broadcast on Main Stream Media!

So we are compairing a lady in her own home late at night to a person beating in and climbing in a capitol window with a mob?

Does that seem fair?.

The Taylor case was horrible since the guy they were going after was already in jail.  Typical case of the right hand had no idea what the left was doing.

However that does not give anyone the right to destroy property and act like an idoit, no matter what.

Those who planned this event are the ones who could care less about unity in America! And Investigative Reports via DOJ and FBI are saying this event was planned! And the planners are or were BLM and Antifa! GASP! This too is being reported by the same FBI and DOJ! The pipebombs uncovered outside The DNC & GOP Headquarters were preplanted prior to this event which spells Planning and Conspiracy..............And not from Trump Supporters!

Everything I have mentioned in regards to Jan 6th has been broadcast on Main Stream Media!

I'll be sure to mention this to the Trump guy in the next town over - the house with the anti-Biden signs strung on his home all year. He flew to DC specifically for the January 6 Trump rally, and was there for the events that followed. He sure will be surprised to know that he's either from the BLM or antifa. 

You're right, it's an imperfect analogy. I was using what happened with the PD and Taylor as an example to address Bear's hypothetical insurrectionist scenario. It's not a good fit, I admit.

You are the one looking for a fight Palopony, why else would you be on this forum, its not to talk horses, you never go on a thread to talk about horses, maybe once in a blue moon you might try, you are here for the political threads only and you know it. 

The Truth Will Stand When The World Is On Fire.

Wow I guess you have followed what I have posted over 15 years?  I have been on this forum longer than you and used to post on horse topics.  After a few times I got over it, I will let you all just know it all.  You can't help someone unwilling to listen and that knows everything.  JMO

I dont give a rats butt how long you have been on here, you are still looking to fight, you are the know it all when it comes to politics and you want to make sure we all know it to , you sure can give us all a good laugh with all the news watching you do and reading.. So are you still making your husband watch all the fake cra* on the news that you love watching?

No not looking for a fight at all.  I like discussions over coffee, on many different topics.  Hard to learn much from people when you all agree on everything just turns into a rally against the oppositon.  I must say it has given me an education on why so many feel the way they do.  I never said I know everything I am old and learn something everyday.  I do not make my husband listen to it, he is working but he does listen to it on the radio most days.  That poor tortured husband of mine will be taking me to the beach next week to escape a snowstorm, a gift to us for 42 years of putting up with each other.  I won't have to worry about social distancing it's just us and 2 dogs.  One is a puppy he says he's not walking at 3 am.  This will be fun.

You told us that you make him watch the same news you watch, I'm guessing you forgot that...  So you like telling people what you are planning? Aren't you worried that someone might go all the way to Indiana and rob you blind?

Bringing the Breona Taylor case into this distracts from the point I was making.  I think, in fact I'm confident, that there would be a thunderous outcry to prosecute a cop for shooting an unarmed black female protestor trying to break into the police station, even though the cop's defense would stridently claim the police officer was acting on his training and carrying out his lawful duty.  The identity of the Capitol policeman is not being released.  That would never be accepted in the case of the hypothetical I presented.  

In Ashli's case:

- "She should have known better"....it's her fault.

- The cop's identity is withheld.

-The cop is lauded as a hero, doing his duty.

- There are no calls to prosecute  the cop.

In the case of the hypothetical black woman I presented:

- She would be declared a victim of "systemic racism".

- The cop's name and photo would be flashed around the globe.

- The cop would be vilified and declared to be proof of a systemic, racist, corrupt law enforcement. 
- There would be calls for an indictment for murder.

Two virtually identical scenarios.  Two diametrically opposed outcomes.  An illustration of obscene, opportunistic, left-wing racism.  

Bear - 2021-02-12 12:09 PM

Bringing the Breona Taylor case into this distracts from the point I was making. 

Yes, I rather agree. It was distracting and an imperfect analogy, and I acknowledged that up thread. But my original opinion stands. In your hypothetical scenario, a pretend white cop shoots a pretend black BLM protestor to protect a pretend precinct under attack by a make believe violent mob. No, I don't think that cop would necessarily be accused of murder, or acting outside his/her call of duty. 

In Ashli's case:

- "She should have known better"....it's her fault.

- The cop's identity is withheld.

-The cop is lauded as a hero, doing his duty.

- There are no calls to prosecute  the cop.

In the case of the hypothetical black woman I presented:

- She would be declared a victim of "systemic racism".

- The cop's name and photo would be flashed around the globe.

- The cop would be vilified and declared to be proof of a systemic, racist, corrupt law enforcement. 
- There would be calls for an indictment for murder.

Two virtually identical scenarios.  Two diametrically opposed outcomes.  An illustration of obscene, opportunistic, left-wing racism.  

In this, friend, you're wrong. They aren't virtually identical scenarios. Only one of them happened, and it was not yours. 

I really wasn't till someone like you ............should I call you a "Busy Body Know It All" decided to give people ideas.  However I think I will be OK my son lives really close, I have an alarm system, 2 really big bad dogs and a Trump supporter next door who watches the house, he would love to catch someone.  However I thank you for being so concerned.  I was really more concerned about the animals I have to leave at home in horrible weather.

Thanks for giving me something else to worry about.  Since you were the one who pointed it out I guess I should be, you sure know these people better than me.  You all really hate people who don't agree with you don't you?  

How do you define a scenario?  You are sidestepping the premise of these two scenarios.  You don't deny my conclusions.  Instead, you point out something I already made abundantly clear.  

If you WERE really concerned about your Animals in this horrile weather, why go now? There is no way in he** I would leave my animals while this kind of weather is happening, to many things could go wrong. 

You were the one being a blabbermouth on a open/public fourm!!!! Have fun on your vacation!!!!!

Bringing the Breona Taylor case into this distracts from the point I was making. 

Yes, I rather agree. It was distracting and an imperfect analogy, and I acknowledged that up thread. But my original opinion stands. In your hypothetical scenario, a pretend white cop shoots a pretend black BLM protestor to protect a pretend precinct under attack by a make believe violent mob. No, I don't think that cop would necessarily be accused of murder, or acting outside his/her call of duty. 

In Ashli's case:

- "She should have known better"....it's her fault.

- The cop's identity is withheld.

-The cop is lauded as a hero, doing his duty.

- There are no calls to prosecute  the cop.

In the case of the hypothetical black woman I presented:

- She would be declared a victim of "systemic racism".

- The cop's name and photo would be flashed around the globe.

- The cop would be vilified and declared to be proof of a systemic, racist, corrupt law enforcement. 
- There would be calls for an indictment for murder.

Two virtually identical scenarios.  Two diametrically opposed outcomes.  An illustration of obscene, opportunistic, left-wing racism.  

In this, friend, you're wrong. They aren't virtually identical scenarios. Only one of them happened, and it was not yours. 

How do you define a scenario?  You are sidestepping the premise of these two scenarios.  You don't deny my conclusions.  Instead, you point out something I already made abundantly clear.  

No, I stated my viewpoint above; I highlighted it. I've sidestepped nothing. You've posited a hypothetical situation, followed by hypothetical conclusions. You're getting riled up about "systemic, racist, corrupt law enforcement" and "obscene, opportunistic left-wing racism" in an example that stems from your own imagination. I think the real events of January 6 have far more relevancy at hand. 

Going to check on that mare now, and get some work done. Hope you and all us chilly Texans manage to stay warm. Take care.

How do you define a scenario?  You are sidestepping the premise of these two scenarios.  You don't deny my conclusions.  Instead, you point out something I already made abundantly clear.  

No, I stated my viewpoint above; I highlighted it. I've sidestepped nothing. You've posited a hypothetical situation, followed by hypothetical conclusions. You're getting riled up about "systemic, racist, corrupt law enforcement" and "obscene, opportunistic left-wing racism" in an example that stems from your own imagination. I think the real events of January 6 have far more relevancy at hand. 

Going to check on that mare now, and get some work done. Hope you and all us chilly Texans manage to stay warm. Take care.

No, you are wrong again. It's the left who gets riled up by "systemic, corrupt, racist law enforcement", not me.  That was the underlying excuse used for the deadly riots, burning, and looting through Democrat run urban areas. Left wing racism is real.  The Democrat party, in fact, is historically the racist party of Jim Crow, segregation, racism, and the KKK.  Much of that same left wing racism is still present today, except it is cleverly cloaked.