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Location: Displaced Iowegian | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2021-08-23 10:28 AM want2chase3 - 2021-08-23 9:42 AM It IS about forcing people to take something they aren't comfortable with. 100% why isn't the flu shot pushed so heavily on people, other than Healthcare workers? Flu is very contagious and can kill just as easily as covid no? If I'm sick, which is extremely rare, I do stay home. People that have been vaccinated are also dying and are in the ICU on ventilators. We can sit here all day and argue and toss out numbers like we are all so utd on the findings and statistics... bottom line it should be a choice. That's the biggest concern, I feel. I watched the Trump rally the other night and he urged people to get the vaccine, but he also said you should have a choice and having freedom is important and we shouldn't let that go. I agree with that! Now let's watch and see how the left and the media will spin his words to make him into the bad guy and blame him some more. Do as you please when it comes to your health, ultimately YOU are responsible for your health, not the government, not anyone else. If you're afraid of catching covid, get the vax, wear a mask and stay home unless it's absolutely necessary to go out! Do you worry when you take your horse to a show, that every single horse there is healthy and has been vaccinated 5ways to Sunday??? Or do you just make sure your horse is UTD on everything YOU feel is important to protect him? Only thing they ever require and it's rare they even ask for proof is coggins. Yes, exactly. The horse show example is perfect, it should be the same with us. Those who want the shot should also reserach the company behind it. Pfizer is the only one receiving, or expected to receive, FDA approval currently. Moderna has yet to have anything FDA approved, ever. Johnson & Johnson still isn't that effective. So at the very least research the company of which shot you wish to go with. A booster at just 8 months out should tell you just how effective they're proving to be. Especially after 2 shots already. There's still a large percentage of covid positive people with no symptoms, that never even knew they had it. Around 30% I believe is still the number, so you have to factor that into the death rate. Lets just use US numbers for a second, 645,000 deaths so far. And total cases, if you include the 30% data of asymtomatic, you're at 50,110,000 cases. Which leaves the death rate at 1%. So you have a 1/100 chance of dying from it. Cancer kills almsot 10 million a year, and nobody does anything to reduce our risk for that I will post again ...... The 99% survival rate sounds great UNLESS you have a family member, child, or friend who HAS died of the virus. And NO .... the flu has not been "just as" contagious and deadly as the covid ..... the highest number of deaths from the flu in the past decades has been 2017-2018 with only 61K death ...... a far cry from the 630+ THOUSAND from Covid.
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It IS about forcing people to take something they aren't comfortable with. 100% why isn't the flu shot pushed so heavily on people, other than Healthcare workers? Flu is very contagious and can kill just as easily as covid no? If I'm sick, which is extremely rare, I do stay home. People that have been vaccinated are also dying and are in the ICU on ventilators. We can sit here all day and argue and toss out numbers like we are all so utd on the findings and statistics... bottom line it should be a choice. That's the biggest concern, I feel. I watched the Trump rally the other night and he urged people to get the vaccine, but he also said you should have a choice and having freedom is important and we shouldn't let that go. I agree with that! Now let's watch and see how the left and the media will spin his words to make him into the bad guy and blame him some more. Do as you please when it comes to your health, ultimately YOU are responsible for your health, not the government, not anyone else. If you're afraid of catching covid, get the vax, wear a mask and stay home unless it's absolutely necessary to go out! Do you worry when you take your horse to a show, that every single horse there is healthy and has been vaccinated 5ways to Sunday??? Or do you just make sure your horse is UTD on everything YOU feel is important to protect him? Only thing they ever require and it's rare they even ask for proof is coggins.
Yes, exactly. The horse show example is perfect, it should be the same with us. Those who want the shot should also reserach the company behind it. Pfizer is the only one receiving, or expected to receive, FDA approval currently. Moderna has yet to have anything FDA approved, ever. Johnson & Johnson still isn't that effective. So at the very least research the company of which shot you wish to go with. A booster at just 8 months out should tell you just how effective they're proving to be. Especially after 2 shots already. There's still a large percentage of covid positive people with no symptoms, that never even knew they had it. Around 30% I believe is still the number, so you have to factor that into the death rate. Lets just use US numbers for a second, 645,000 deaths so far. And total cases, if you include the 30% data of asymtomatic, you're at 50,110,000 cases. Which leaves the death rate at 1%. So you have a 1/100 chance of dying from it. Cancer kills almsot 10 million a year, and nobody does anything to reduce our risk for that
I will post again ...... The 99% survival rate sounds great UNLESS you have a family member, child, or friend who HAS died of the virus. And NO .... the flu has not been "just as" contagious and deadly as the covid ..... the highest number of deaths from the flu in the past decades has been 2017-2018 with only 61K death ...... a far cry from the 630+ THOUSAND from Covid.
Actually, knowing someone that died wouldn't change a thing for me. I believe in God, and he takes souls when its their time. We might not like it or undersatand it, but it's not up to us. But again, if you want to protect yourself by all means. Please do so. I've had it, I'm still the only one of the 30+ postive people I know, that have even had a sick symptom. Many lost their smell/taste, but that was it. I actually lost my taste a few months back, but that turned out to be a side effect of a medication. But with covid I wasn't anymore tired than normal, never had a fever, sore throat or anything. Just a small obnoxious dry cough that persisted for 5 weeks. Which isn't a big deal. And my doctor thinks I had it in february of 2020 before they recognized it here. I had pnemonia and a 99.5 temp for 2 weeks, but still wasnt enough to stop me from regular activites. It had started with a sore throat and cough. And then the week after it was gone suddenly covid was in the US. So we assume I've had it twice at this point, and I still wouldn't get vaccinated for it. Even if it was tested for 10 years and FDA approved. No flu shot either, but again, it no longer really exists anyway so it's kind of a useless vaccine now | |
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It IS about forcing people to take something they aren't comfortable with. 100% why isn't the flu shot pushed so heavily on people, other than Healthcare workers? Flu is very contagious and can kill just as easily as covid no? If I'm sick, which is extremely rare, I do stay home. People that have been vaccinated are also dying and are in the ICU on ventilators. We can sit here all day and argue and toss out numbers like we are all so utd on the findings and statistics... bottom line it should be a choice. That's the biggest concern, I feel. I watched the Trump rally the other night and he urged people to get the vaccine, but he also said you should have a choice and having freedom is important and we shouldn't let that go. I agree with that! Now let's watch and see how the left and the media will spin his words to make him into the bad guy and blame him some more. Do as you please when it comes to your health, ultimately YOU are responsible for your health, not the government, not anyone else. If you're afraid of catching covid, get the vax, wear a mask and stay home unless it's absolutely necessary to go out! Do you worry when you take your horse to a show, that every single horse there is healthy and has been vaccinated 5ways to Sunday??? Or do you just make sure your horse is UTD on everything YOU feel is important to protect him? Only thing they ever require and it's rare they even ask for proof is coggins.
Yes, exactly. The horse show example is perfect, it should be the same with us. Those who want the shot should also reserach the company behind it. Pfizer is the only one receiving, or expected to receive, FDA approval currently. Moderna has yet to have anything FDA approved, ever. Johnson & Johnson still isn't that effective. So at the very least research the company of which shot you wish to go with. A booster at just 8 months out should tell you just how effective they're proving to be. Especially after 2 shots already. There's still a large percentage of covid positive people with no symptoms, that never even knew they had it. Around 30% I believe is still the number, so you have to factor that into the death rate. Lets just use US numbers for a second, 645,000 deaths so far. And total cases, if you include the 30% data of asymtomatic, you're at 50,110,000 cases. Which leaves the death rate at 1%. So you have a 1/100 chance of dying from it. Cancer kills almsot 10 million a year, and nobody does anything to reduce our risk for that
I will post again ...... The 99% survival rate sounds great UNLESS you have a family member, child, or friend who HAS died of the virus. And NO .... the flu has not been "just as" contagious and deadly as the covid ..... the highest number of deaths from the flu in the past decades has been 2017-2018 with only 61K death ...... a far cry from the 630+ THOUSAND from Covid.
Actually, knowing someone that died wouldn't change a thing for me. I believe in God, and he takes souls when its their time. We might not like it or undersatand it, but it's not up to us. But again, if you want to protect yourself by all means. Please do so. I've had it, I'm still the only one of the 30+ postive people I know, that have even had a sick symptom. Many lost their smell/taste, but that was it. I actually lost my taste a few months back, but that turned out to be a side effect of a medication. But with covid I wasn't anymore tired than normal, never had a fever, sore throat or anything. Just a small obnoxious dry cough that persisted for 5 weeks. Which isn't a big deal. And my doctor thinks I had it in february of 2020 before they recognized it here. I had pnemonia and a 99.5 temp for 2 weeks, but still wasnt enough to stop me from regular activites. It had started with a sore throat and cough. And then the week after it was gone suddenly covid was in the US. So we assume I've had it twice at this point, and I still wouldn't get vaccinated for it. Even if it was tested for 10 years and FDA approved. No flu shot either, but again, it no longer really exists anyway so it's kind of a useless vaccine now
I truly pray that YOU did not spread the virus (while you were only feeling mildly sick) and killed the immune compromised child or the person who could NOT take the vaccine .... but hey ....that's THEIR fault because you willingly spread it ..... right? | |
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| I agree NJJ that statistics don't mean a thing to anyone that has lost a loved one to ANY disease or sickness or accident. When Jacob was diagnosed with cancer, when he doctors were spouting off numbers of survival rates and cure rates I wasn't even listening all I cared about was him beating it, I totally get what you're saying on that. Just because 90% of children with his condition survived, didn't mean Jack to me. I get it.... however I still stand by that this should be a choice to be vaccinated, not a mandate or law or people not being allowed to enter buildings or travel to go places or denied employment. | |
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want2chase3 - 2021-08-23 9:42 AM
It IS about forcing people to take something they aren't comfortable with. 100% why isn't the flu shot pushed so heavily on people, other than Healthcare workers? Flu is very contagious and can kill just as easily as covid no? If I'm sick, which is extremely rare, I do stay home. People that have been vaccinated are also dying and are in the ICU on ventilators. We can sit here all day and argue and toss out numbers like we are all so utd on the findings and statistics... bottom line it should be a choice. That's the biggest concern, I feel. I watched the Trump rally the other night and he urged people to get the vaccine, but he also said you should have a choice and having freedom is important and we shouldn't let that go. I agree with that! Now let's watch and see how the left and the media will spin his words to make him into the bad guy and blame him some more. Do as you please when it comes to your health, ultimately YOU are responsible for your health, not the government, not anyone else. If you're afraid of catching covid, get the vax, wear a mask and stay home unless it's absolutely necessary to go out! Do you worry when you take your horse to a show, that every single horse there is healthy and has been vaccinated 5ways to Sunday??? Or do you just make sure your horse is UTD on everything YOU feel is important to protect him? Only thing they ever require and it's rare they even ask for proof is coggins.
Yes, exactly. The horse show example is perfect, it should be the same with us. Those who want the shot should also reserach the company behind it. Pfizer is the only one receiving, or expected to receive, FDA approval currently. Moderna has yet to have anything FDA approved, ever. Johnson & Johnson still isn't that effective. So at the very least research the company of which shot you wish to go with. A booster at just 8 months out should tell you just how effective they're proving to be. Especially after 2 shots already. There's still a large percentage of covid positive people with no symptoms, that never even knew they had it. Around 30% I believe is still the number, so you have to factor that into the death rate. Lets just use US numbers for a second, 645,000 deaths so far. And total cases, if you include the 30% data of asymtomatic, you're at 50,110,000 cases. Which leaves the death rate at 1%. So you have a 1/100 chance of dying from it. Cancer kills almsot 10 million a year, and nobody does anything to reduce our risk for that
I will post again ...... The 99% survival rate sounds great UNLESS you have a family member, child, or friend who HAS died of the virus. And NO .... the flu has not been "just as" contagious and deadly as the covid ..... the highest number of deaths from the flu in the past decades has been 2017-2018 with only 61K death ...... a far cry from the 630+ THOUSAND from Covid.
Actually, knowing someone that died wouldn't change a thing for me. I believe in God, and he takes souls when its their time. We might not like it or undersatand it, but it's not up to us. But again, if you want to protect yourself by all means. Please do so. I've had it, I'm still the only one of the 30+ postive people I know, that have even had a sick symptom. Many lost their smell/taste, but that was it. I actually lost my taste a few months back, but that turned out to be a side effect of a medication. But with covid I wasn't anymore tired than normal, never had a fever, sore throat or anything. Just a small obnoxious dry cough that persisted for 5 weeks. Which isn't a big deal. And my doctor thinks I had it in february of 2020 before they recognized it here. I had pnemonia and a 99.5 temp for 2 weeks, but still wasnt enough to stop me from regular activites. It had started with a sore throat and cough. And then the week after it was gone suddenly covid was in the US. So we assume I've had it twice at this point, and I still wouldn't get vaccinated for it. Even if it was tested for 10 years and FDA approved. No flu shot either, but again, it no longer really exists anyway so it's kind of a useless vaccine now
I truly pray that YOU did not spread the virus (while you were only feeling mildly sick) and killed the immune compromised child or the person who could NOT take the vaccine .... but hey ....that's THEIR fault because you willingly spread it ..... right?
The people I had contact with were informed and didn't care. Where they went after being around me I don't know or care | |
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So has anyone looked up the #protectyourfamily on Facebook and read the stories about the adverse reactions to the vaccine? Those scare me more than the actual virus... "IF" they are indeed true to what they are claiming. I know there are a lot of stories going around and some are probably not true but if the 99% survival/recovery rate is accurate then why does EVERTUONE need this? Maybe high risk or those prone to respiratory issues etc ... but an average healthy adult or child... my Dr told me it's recommended for those 12 and up now. He also said children are more susceptible to the new variant than the original virus... how so? These are the things that make me nuts ... just out of the blue. I hate to doubt my doctor because I really like him and he's always been a great Dr for my whole family. My husband and I were discussing this yesterday and we both agree that he's basically repeating what he's been told, he probably doesn't REALLY know all this stuff first hand now ... how could he? It seems the CDC or the WHO is just changing information as they go... no REAL lomg term studies have been done on this vaccine or has it? I can't seem to get a straight answer to satisfy my concerns. My Dr also closed with saying that he would continue to treat me and my family the same as he always has regardless if we get the vaccine or not. I hope that's true and I hope he's able to continue to.
After reading through this thread and your posts, I think you are wanting someone to tell you to NOT get the vaccine. I have always thought that a person should listen to their family doctor. He knows you and your family's health backgrounds and problems. Of course, I am sure if you hunt around enough, you can find a doctor who agrees with your perception of the need for vaccine. When I see a child in the ICU on a vent, I think of children (like your Jacob) who are more at risk than others. I think you are wise to talk to his oncologist and ask the questions and take his advice. The 99% survival rate sounds great UNLESS you have a family member, child, or friend who HAS died of the virus. My husband and I both had the "shot" in Feb. and March. My only reaction was getting a little more tired which gave me a good excuse to take an afternoon nap ..... LOL ..... John had blisters (2) around the injection sight of his second shot ... BUT .... he was also on an antibiotic for an infected toe at the time which the Dr. said could be the reason. My reason for getting the shot was for OUR health but also for those who could not get the shot. I would be devastated if I had contracted the virus and gave it to a child or family member who DIED.
The CDC and WHO keep changing because the virus keeps changing. Exactly the reason that is much more transferable now due to a mutation. When it first appeared, they were making "best guesses". Regarding the vaccine, this type of vaccine (for SARS and corona viruses) has been worked on since 2002. Additionally, it is noted that the FDA will give FULL approval of the vaccine this coming week.
I know that you all p*ssed and moaned about wearing masks and shutting down big crowds but, at that time, the cases were diminishing. Here in AR, they were down to 100-200 cases or less per day ..... NOW, after opening up, we are in the 1000-2000+ cases a day and the ICUs are overcrowded. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare that .......
Our family doctor Is the one who refused to give my husband the ivermectin. He refused to see my husband or even talk to him. He talked to a nurse. He never once called or had anyone else call to see how my husband was doing. This doctor is the one who helped my husband get his UC under control. We thought the world of him. If we had not been able to find a doctor to prescribe it, my husband would have ended up in the hospital. His ox sat levels were as low as 90 before the ivermectin and since has UC, we were very worried. Do nit depend on your doctor's opinion alone, do your own research. Check to see what the researchers and doctors who specialize in immunology and researchers who study viruses. I think our doctor is too busy to keep up with the latest research/discoveries. I'll put more stock in what a specialist thinks than an MD.
O2 sat in the 90s is good..... lol
Just another FYI, this isn't about if vaccines should or should not be mandated. It's about having enough decency to protect other human beings who are at risk and are maybe unable to get the vaccine. As of yesterday morning, at the level 1 trauma center where I work in TN ALL of our icu beds are full, and we just lost someone in their early 20s over the weekend to covid. Get the vaccine, and if you choose not to then the least you can do is wear a mask and not expose others by going to public places unless absolutely necessary.
Not according to our asthma doctor, ER doctor and even our doctor who wouldn't see my husband. When I had to take my son to the ER for an asthma attack his O2 sat level was 94 and they immediately put him on a nebulizer breathing treatment and when I commented 94 didn't sound bad, they told me he should be at 98 or higher. EVERY TIME my son's O2 say levels got below 98 his doctor sent us the the ER or gave him breathing treatment. My husband's doctor did tell him if his O2 sat level got to 90 he needed to go to the hospital. His got as low as 88 but he never told me because he DID NOT want to go to the hospital.
so I find it very suspicious that NOW I hear medical people tell me 90 is good.
I have asthma. When I get to 93/94, I am in trouble!!!! It was made very clear to me by my primary physician, cardiologist, and asthma specialist that COVID would most probably kill me. All told me in no uncertain terms to get the vaccine as soon as possible. And I did. And I will get the booster just as soon as I can get scheduled. I have also had both pneumonia vaccines. As somewhat of a science nerd who has followed vaccine development and studies for years and years and years (ever since biology in high school -- and I'm 65 now) I have followed the mRNA work which began in early 2000s. It's a huge breakthrough. I trust the science.
My son has asthma, too, but he is 30. He got Covid, and I'm not gonna lie, I was terrified. All he got was a headache. He is outside a lot and is not obese but he is a meat and potatoes kind of guy. So I understand you deciding to get the vaccine. I think anyone who feels the need, should if they so desire. On the research I did, I am not comfortable taking the shot, I believe we should have the freedom to make our own decisions, medically and otherwise. | |
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| Just a little side note but has anyone else tried to get a hold of injectable ivermectin that use to be so readily available EVERYWHERE? Ok so we use this ivermectin alot on our chickens to prevent and treat mites and parasites... you can't get it now. It's either backorder or sold out or just plain unavailable. I was finally able to get a bottle but it took me a while to track down. And also what's the reason that you cannot have it shipped into good ol California? I never noticed that before when I'd buy online but now it's everywhere, maybe that's not new but I just never noticed it. And yes, I would use the ivermectin on myself if needed. I've had this stuff "accidentally " ingested, squirt in the eyes and mouth and stuck into my skin ... my chickens are rank when it comes to stuff like that. I remember last year tsc pulled ALL ivermectin from the shelves pastes and pour on alike. Some of the online places put out a notice saying they will not sell more than 2 bottles UNLESS you've purchased from them in the past. | |
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Just a little side note but has anyone else tried to get a hold of injectable ivermectin that use to be so readily available EVERYWHERE? Ok so we use this ivermectin alot on our chickens to prevent and treat mites and parasites... you can't get it now. It's either backorder or sold out or just plain unavailable. I was finally able to get a bottle but it took me a while to track down. And also what's the reason that you cannot have it shipped into good ol California? I never noticed that before when I'd buy online but now it's everywhere, maybe that's not new but I just never noticed it. And yes, I would use the ivermectin on myself if needed. I've had this stuff "accidentally " ingested, squirt in the eyes and mouth and stuck into my skin ... my chickens are rank when it comes to stuff like that. I remember last year tsc pulled ALL ivermectin from the shelves pastes and pour on alike. Some of the online places put out a notice saying they will not sell more than 2 bottles UNLESS you've purchased from them in the past.
I work for an equine supply company - there is only 1 facility making Ivermectin horse wormer right now. | |
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| a major drug copy is mandating all get vawccine. my girfriend no not that type./ has been 20 years with them a topp produicer in sales. she does not want that vaccinne. she is a wreck. mandating all; started because of cigaretts . employers mandatedf that . so when dop the law suits start also dr are now say get the vaccnme or we drop u as a patient its time for something | |
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Location: Nebraska | while everyone is fighting over vaccines and masks, I fear for our healthcare workers. The system is overwhelmed. Patients are sicker than ever. We're being stretched way too thin. People are leaving in droves. I'm not going to lie, covid has completely changed my views on nursing. You have two patients die at the same time while you and five other people are proning your other patient that happens to be 2 years older than you that just delivered a baby she may never live to see. You get yelled at by a patient saying they don't believe in covid and refuse to wear their oxygen only to come back your next shift and find out they died. It was just amazing to me how many people refused to lay on their bellies because it was uncomfortable even though you told them it would save their lives. Yes, I agree it should be a choice to be vaccinated. However, I also agree that we all should be less selfish and use a little common sense. Stay home if you feel ill, wash your hands. Covid is very real and it's not going anywhere. The misinformation out there is just plain scary. | |
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while everyone is fighting over vaccines and masks, I fear for our healthcare workers. The system is overwhelmed. Patients are sicker than ever. We're being stretched way too thin. People are leaving in droves. I'm not going to lie, covid has completely changed my views on nursing. You have two patients die at the same time while you and five other people are proning your other patient that happens to be 2 years older than you that just delivered a baby she may never live to see. You get yelled at by a patient saying they don't believe in covid and refuse to wear their oxygen only to come back your next shift and find out they died. It was just amazing to me how many people refused to lay on their bellies because it was uncomfortable even though you told them it would save their lives. Yes, I agree it should be a choice to be vaccinated. However, I also agree that we all should be less selfish and use a little common sense. Stay home if you feel ill, wash your hands. Covid is very real and it's not going anywhere. The misinformation out there is just plain scary.
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Location: Kansas | Just saw on the news where all members of the military will be forced to take the vaccine. Wonder if all the tens of thousand of migrants coming into this country will be forced to take the vaccine. Oh wait, they're already spread out all over the country distributing germs. | |
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Location: Illinois | Frodo - 2021-08-25 10:46 AM Just saw on the news where all members of the military will be forced to take the vaccine. Wonder if all the tens of thousand of migrants coming into this country will be forced to take the vaccine. Oh wait, they're already spread out all over the country distributing germs. I don't believe the military is going to be doing anything our goverment tells them to do anytime soon after this afghanistan crap. Our military will be significantly reduced if they do force it. I know plenty that will walk away
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Location: Kansas | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2021-08-25 11:40 AM
Frodo - 2021-08-25 10:46 AM
Just saw on the news where all members of the military will be forced to take the vaccine. Wonder if all the tens of thousand of migrants coming into this country will be forced to take the vaccine. Oh wait, they're already spread out all over the country distributing germs.
I don't believe the military is going to be doing anything our goverment tells them to do anytime soon after this afghanistan crap. Our military will be significantly reduced if they do force it. I know plenty that will walk away
I was thinking the same thing. And there's no "if" to the mandatory vaccine. It's immediate. | |
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Location: Washington State | I took the vacine had no complications. However, I think taking Covid vaccine should be between you and your Physican due to some people have different helath issues that could have side affects from Covid vaccine. Think your health situation is something you need to dicuss with your physican. | |
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Location: Washington State | I agree, I think Democrats used Covid to steal our 2020 Elections and I think Demcorats will continue the Covid to keep stealing Elections with Mail In Ballots. | |
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Location: Illinois | Frodo - 2021-08-25 12:10 PM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2021-08-25 11:40 AM
Frodo - 2021-08-25 10:46 AM
Just saw on the news where all members of the military will be forced to take the vaccine. Wonder if all the tens of thousand of migrants coming into this country will be forced to take the vaccine. Oh wait, they're already spread out all over the country distributing germs.
I don't believe the military is going to be doing anything our goverment tells them to do anytime soon after this afghanistan crap. Our military will be significantly reduced if they do force it. I know plenty that will walk away
I was thinking the same thing. And there's no "if" to the mandatory vaccine. It's immediate.
I've talked to a few and basically, if you refuse you'll just get dishonorable discharge. Or thats the plan as of now. And they said there's a large group planning to accept that, just on each of their bases, & walk away. They also feel a military turn on our own goverment is coming very soon, so we'll see if that plays out as well. I know most veterans are ready to join forces with them to do so. Which probably needs to be done. The military shouldn't even be thinking about covid right now | |
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