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foundation horse - 2014-04-16 1:30 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too. And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd?
They knew the BLM was coming, if they wanted to save their cattle they'd have rounded them up. Instead, they wanted chaos and anarchy and they wanted something to go down, well it did. And you can just as easily bring your cows to your bulls as you can just turn out a bull with all sizes and bred cows - I don't believe it's great cattle art to put your bull with cows that are already bred, close to calving, young steers and brand new calves. At least that's what my husband said and he has a bit of experience.
If they were prized - and to whom were they prized? I don't think they were hauling these bulls to shows were they? They they should have taken the preventative measures to ensure their bulls were not injured. JMO of course.
Your husband's opinion is accurate. However, One must remember, these are Range Cattle, I believe that is the reason the term "Feral" has been attached to them. Again, the FEDS are showing the lack of knowledge in dealing with range cattle. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-16 1:42 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:39 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-16 1:30 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too. And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd? They knew the BLM was coming, if they wanted to save their cattle they'd have rounded them up. Instead, they wanted chaos and anarchy and they wanted something to go down, well it did. And you can just as easily bring your cows to your bulls as you can just turn out a bull with all sizes and bred cows - I don't believe it's great cattle art to put your bull with cows that are already bred, close to calving, young steers and brand new calves. At least that's what my husband said and he has a bit of experience.
If they were prized - and to whom were they prized? I don't think they were hauling these bulls to shows were they? They they should have taken the preventative measures to ensure their bulls were not injured. JMO of course. Your husband's opinion is accurate. However, One must remember, these are Range Cattle, I believe that is the reason the term "Feral" has been attached to them. Again, the FEDS are showing the lack of knowledge in dealing with range cattle.
Thanks, I'll tell him, first dang thing he's gotten right this week...............LOL/JK
Feds aren't hired for their ability to round up feral cattle. And it's not exactly kosher for employees to stop an employer and be like: "Uh, well, listen I was raised around cattle and now's not a good time."
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-16 2:42 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:39 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-16 1:30 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too. And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd? They knew the BLM was coming, if they wanted to save their cattle they'd have rounded them up. Instead, they wanted chaos and anarchy and they wanted something to go down, well it did. And you can just as easily bring your cows to your bulls as you can just turn out a bull with all sizes and bred cows - I don't believe it's great cattle art to put your bull with cows that are already bred, close to calving, young steers and brand new calves. At least that's what my husband said and he has a bit of experience.
If they were prized - and to whom were they prized? I don't think they were hauling these bulls to shows were they? They they should have taken the preventative measures to ensure their bulls were not injured. JMO of course. Your husband's opinion is accurate. However, One must remember, these are Range Cattle, I believe that is the reason the term "Feral" has been attached to them. Again, the FEDS are showing the lack of knowledge in dealing with range cattle.
Feral is an animal that was once domesticated but now lives wild. One of the biggest problems here is that he had many head that had wondered on and became wild.... unmanaged.
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Just to clarify... Is are these "prized" bulls branded? | |
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HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 1:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side. I do not normally agree with any of these people on most things and that makes me question my previous blindness in possible issues based on half assed media and information.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
Smiley, as you said, you aren't sure who Finney is, but if you would have been on here with any degree of regularity for about a year before the 2012 election, you would understand. If the truth is a cheap shot, then so be it. She would post something much more partisan and incendiary, usually in the form of a long C&P from MSNBC or a blog such as the "Think Progress", the "Domcratic Underground", or...."The Daily Kos". Typically, she would preface the C&P with a comment of her own, mainly to make the post more caustic. She'd then disappear after stirring the pot and generating dozens of responses from predominately conservative-minded people. Sometimes she would respond, a day or two later with another 1-2 sentence retort, supplemented with another lengthy C&P, yada, yada, yada. That was the pattern, until eventually people got smart and refused to react. After a while, her threads tended to just drift away, and so did Finney. Perhaps Finney has re-tooled her tactics while away on sabbatical, but I am inclined to think not.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't.
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I'm just a middle aged woman who raises horses and has ranched her whole life, unlike most of the commentors who wouldn't know the ass end of a cow if it **** on them. I don't live in their echo chamber of fact denial, but rather like to think I'm normal. Ever since I lived in Wyoming for many years, I have found that many ranchers who own federal and state allotments to be ungrateful whiners. When I expressed my liberal opinion that this guy should either pay for his pasture or get off the property, that sent some people into conservative hysteria. I quit commenting on here because I found it addictive and spent way too much time on my laptop, and not enough time working to make a living. These people don't want another opinion, they only want their opinion of revolution and anarchy validated. I can't do that nor do I want to live in that kind of reality. I have no idea how anybody that comments on here all day gets any work done. People believe what they want to believe. I don't try to sling insults because that implies ignorance nor do I hide behind a nickname because that implies cowardice. I was taught better than that. If you look up my nickname on the internet, you'll see who we are, and if you talk to our friends you'll know who we are and what we stand for. Thank you Smiley. Don't let them corrupt you. Your opinion is yours and be proud of it, but if you are scared to claim it, maybe you should rethink your position or get different friends. Lunch break's over. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | It's interesting to see some similarities here with historical events. Bundy may be in the wrong here. In fact, in some ways it sure sounds like it to me. One of these days an indicent like this could very well be the spark that sets off the powder keg. That's what happened in the Boston Massacre in 1770. In that instance, it was the colonists who were actually in the wrong, initially. A few dozen angry patriots were teasing and harassing a British sentinel, and later they attacked others who were called in to assist with riot control. Eventually, the colonists started throwing snowballs and rocks at the Redcoats, and even attacked them with clubs. The Redcoats were outnumbered, and they eventually fired on the mob, killing some of them (three?). History doesn't remember that the colonials started the incident, nor does it typically place any blame on the colonials. In fact, the colonials are remembered as brave heroes. John Adams, the future second president, actually defended the British soldiers at trial, and they were acquitted. He was able to convince the court that this was provocation and this was an act of self defense. Clearly the colonials were in the wrong for what they did and the response was deemed justifiable. History has been generous to that that angry mob. Sooner or later, I think an incident like this will wind up with a similar outcome, here in the 21st century. Five years after that incident in Boston the tension between the tyrannical rule and the colonials reached a critical level, and the Revolutionary War started at Lexington and Concord. It took 8 years for that War to end. Today, we have a tyrannical government and an egocentric, narcissistic tyrant imposing his laws on his citizens/subjects. It appears the evil man is succeeding in rousing the ire of the citizenry.
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| As long as we remain free to still have these open discussions and as long as men are willing to stand together against tyranny without fear, we have a chance. I don't know the truth in this situation but I do see that the same passion once held by our founding Fathers still run hot in our blood. Isn't that a good thing? I think so. | |
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| FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-16 3:01 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 1:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side. I do not normally agree with any of these people on most things and that makes me question my previous blindness in possible issues based on half assed media and information.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
Smiley, as you said, you aren't sure who Finney is, but if you would have been on here with any degree of regularity for about a year before the 2012 election, you would understand. If the truth is a cheap shot, then so be it. She would post something much more partisan and incendiary, usually in the form of a long C&P from MSNBC or a blog such as the "Think Progress", the "Domcratic Underground", or...."The Daily Kos". Typically, she would preface the C&P with a comment of her own, mainly to make the post more caustic. She'd then disappear after stirring the pot and generating dozens of responses from predominately conservative-minded people. Sometimes she would respond, a day or two later with another 1-2 sentence retort, supplemented with another lengthy C&P, yada, yada, yada. That was the pattern, until eventually people got smart and refused to react. After a while, her threads tended to just drift away, and so did Finney. Perhaps Finney has re-tooled her tactics while away on sabbatical, but I am inclined to think not.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't. Touche' Hi Smiley, I'm just a middle aged woman who raises horses and has ranched her whole life, unlike most of the commentors who wouldn't know the ass end of a cow if it **** on them. I don't live in their echo chamber of fact denial, but rather like to think I'm normal. Ever since I lived in Wyoming for many years, I have found that many ranchers who own federal and state allotments to be ungrateful whiners. When I expressed my liberal opinion that this guy should either pay for his pasture or get off the property, that sent some people into conservative hysteria. I quit commenting on here because I found it addictive and spent way too much time on my laptop, and not enough time working to make a living. These people don't want another opinion, they only want their opinion of revolution and anarchy validated. I can't do that nor do I want to live in that kind of reality. I have no idea how anybody that comments on here all day gets any work done. People believe what they want to believe. I don't try to sling insults because that implies ignorance nor do I hide behind a nickname because that implies cowardice. I was taught better than that. If you look up my nickname on the internet, you'll see who we are, and if you talk to our friends you'll know who we are and what we stand for. Thank you Smiley. Don't let them corrupt you. Your opinion is yours and be proud of it, but if you are scared to claim it, maybe you should rethink your position or get different friends. Lunch break's over.
See Finney, pay attention, I am conservative and I agree that Bundy should pay his lease fees like every other rancher who gets that opportunity. There are plenty of us conservatives who can look at things objectively. You lose me however when you post gabage that women and children will be used as human shields and act like that is the majority thinking of conservatives. That is not a normal perspective. | |
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FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-16 3:01 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 1:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side. I do not normally agree with any of these people on most things and that makes me question my previous blindness in possible issues based on half assed media and information.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
Smiley, as you said, you aren't sure who Finney is, but if you would have been on here with any degree of regularity for about a year before the 2012 election, you would understand. If the truth is a cheap shot, then so be it. She would post something much more partisan and incendiary, usually in the form of a long C&P from MSNBC or a blog such as the "Think Progress", the "Domcratic Underground", or...."The Daily Kos". Typically, she would preface the C&P with a comment of her own, mainly to make the post more caustic. She'd then disappear after stirring the pot and generating dozens of responses from predominately conservative-minded people. Sometimes she would respond, a day or two later with another 1-2 sentence retort, supplemented with another lengthy C&P, yada, yada, yada. That was the pattern, until eventually people got smart and refused to react. After a while, her threads tended to just drift away, and so did Finney. Perhaps Finney has re-tooled her tactics while away on sabbatical, but I am inclined to think not.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't. Touche' Hi Smiley, I'm just a middle aged woman who raises horses and has ranched her whole life, unlike most of the commentors who wouldn't know the ass end of a cow if it **** on them. I don't live in their echo chamber of fact denial, but rather like to think I'm normal. Ever since I lived in Wyoming for many years, I have found that many ranchers who own federal and state allotments to be ungrateful whiners. When I expressed my liberal opinion that this guy should either pay for his pasture or get off the property, that sent some people into conservative hysteria. I quit commenting on here because I found it addictive and spent way too much time on my laptop, and not enough time working to make a living. These people don't want another opinion, they only want their opinion of revolution and anarchy validated. I can't do that nor do I want to live in that kind of reality. I have no idea how anybody that comments on here all day gets any work done. People believe what they want to believe. I don't try to sling insults because that implies ignorance nor do I hide behind a nickname because that implies cowardice. I was taught better than that. If you look up my nickname on the internet, you'll see who we are, and if you talk to our friends you'll know who we are and what we stand for. Thank you Smiley. Don't let them corrupt you. Your opinion is yours and be proud of it, but if you are scared to claim it, maybe you should rethink your position or get different friends. Lunch break's over.
See Finney, pay attention, I am conservative and I agree that Bundy should pay his lease fees like every other rancher who gets that opportunity. There are plenty of us conservatives who can look at things objectively. You lose me however when you post gabage that women and children will be used as human shields and act like that is the majority thinking of conservatives. That is not a normal perspective.
Now what I did say about cherry picked and manipulation? In that particular post both were rampant! | |
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smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too.
And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd?
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I have claimed I support Cliven Bundy. I have opined and continue to support that I support The U.S. Constitution. I am an Originalist Constitutionalist not a Constructionist Constitutionalist which means I believe in The Original Intent of The Constitution. I believe I have supported this view time and time again with my research as posted.
From the time the land in dispute was ceded to America, The General Land Office was placed in charge of dispositioning said Real Estate which over time has been completely disregarded and changed to suit Bureaucrat's Foundation of Power over American Citizens! | |
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             Location: North Texas | komet. - 2014-04-16 3:22 PM
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smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too.
And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd?
A.I.?? 
I stand by and watch while You collect semen from a Range Bull. LMAO!  | |
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   Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2014-04-16 3:24 PM
komet. - 2014-04-16 3:22 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-16 2:30 PM
smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too.
And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd?
A.I.?? 
I stand by and watch while You collect semen from a Range Bull. LMAO! 
Well.... Of course you might have to sneak up on him...  | |
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| komet. - 2014-04-16 3:29 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-16 3:24 PM
komet. - 2014-04-16 3:22 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-16 2:30 PM
smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too.
And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd?
A.I.?? 
I stand by and watch while You collect semen from a Range Bull. LMAO! 
Well.... Of course you might have to sneak up on him... 
One last thing. I know, hypocrytical. We knew a guy who went to visit his old rancher friend in Arizona to look at some own daughters of Driftwood Ike. The guy ranched in the desert on all of this federal ground. Our friend noticed some cows and a bull at a tank and asked the guy how he gathered his (prized) bulls. The old guy got a sly grin on his face and patted his .243. | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-16 2:40 PM... Let me put me it this way, should Mrs. Finney have something for sell: I AIN'T buying! I vote with my hard earned dollars and I DO NOT support Progressive/Liberal Politics!
It looks like she has some really nice Driftwood blood on that ranch.  | |
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