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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 8:31 PM
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LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota.  The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race.   This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings?
Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself.
LDH I am in the same boat! I first saw the press release and heard what barn it was at while I was still at work, and was sitting in my office shaking and sweating. Not even kidding. Boss offered to buy everyone a round at the end of the day and I gladly accepted! The next couple weeks will be nerve wracking.
I started bawling at a friends house. They aren't horse people so they have no idea what im talking about but I think I freaked them out pretty good with my sobbing and shaking and cussing that it was now too late to call my vet freaking out. I talked to 3 vets and the producers of the race before I hauled and got the all clear to go. And now Im first hand dealing with it. My horses are my whole world, if one of my horses gets sick I honestly don't know what I will do. my horses are my babies. I will never forgive myself if something happens to them. | |
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| I am from Central Wisconsin and I just love how all our local nbha and Ibra shows have been cancelled for the next two weeks (where the risk of contracting is significantly less due to it being local and a lot less entries. Plus one show was suppose to be outside) while Waterloo and RHR are still being held. Where the risk is more inmanant because of the number or entires and bigger scope of where people are traveling from... Makes no sense to me. | |
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Location: Wisconsin | SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
The links to stillwater equine have already been posted along withthe links for the Kentucy horse. They have neurological symtoms, yes! But they are not the same neurological strain that Utah had, All test results have come back for the midwest horses as a non-neorological test. My point to my initial post was that people are linking horses to the same strain with different test results. | |
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Location: Here | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put.
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Location: Wisconsin | SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put.
People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point. | |
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Location: sunny california | i fail to see how anyone can say these cases are linked or not linked based on test results when you take into consideration that this virus mutates and the fact that the "experts" acknowledge how much is not known about it. if someone has any references that do not have the words "appear" "my understanding is..." let me know I would like to read it | |
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Location: Jersey Girl | This regards the confirmed case in PA. It is related to the Va case.
http://www.gohorseshow.com/article/Featured_Columns/Sudden_Scoop/EHV1_case_confirmed_in_Pennsylvania/39418 | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | crazy&lazy - 2014-05-02 10:29 PM rockinas - 2014-05-02 5:25 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 4:22 PM It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled. This is a huge part of the reason why RockinAS has grounded herself for at least 2 more weeks. Possibly longer if this crap keeps going on. I have stayed home since the BRF in Lincoln. My competition horses are kept seperate from the breeding horses, but I am not taking any chances at all.
Now if the Producers agreed with the rest of us staying home. They are still putting runs on and there's always going to be girls that will continue to haul. There's a double header in Huron tomorrow in the Beef Complex that is still going on. If the producers aren't smart enough to not have runs the facilities need to step in and say they're shutting them down. | |
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Location: Here | kwanatha - 2014-05-03 7:37 AM i fail to see how anyone can say these cases are linked or not linked based on test results when you take into consideration that this virus mutates and the fact that the "experts" acknowledge how much is not known about it. if someone has any references that do not have the words "appear" "my understanding is..." let me know I would like to read it
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
No one suggested this was related to a case Lord knows how many years ago in Utah. My point to your original post was the fact that HORSES ARE DYING and you better take this serious. I'm sorry if I mis-read your post but I don't think its a good idea to poo-poo the whole thing because at this point its going to snowball and get out of hand. | |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:13 AM crazy&lazy - 2014-05-02 10:29 PM rockinas - 2014-05-02 5:25 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 4:22 PM It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled. This is a huge part of the reason why RockinAS has grounded herself for at least 2 more weeks. Possibly longer if this crap keeps going on. I have stayed home since the BRF in Lincoln. My competition horses are kept seperate from the breeding horses, but I am not taking any chances at all.
It is beyond my understanding why they have not cancelled the NBHA race in Huron....Why not follow the lead of other producers...and be proactive on this?
This type of the risk is small attitude, will just drag this whole situation longer....Wish the State Vet would just say...No Hauling to sales...clinics...competitions etc for 30 days...My goodness....we still have June...and the rest of the year to get out and compete etc..
Meanwhile...I will not be hauling anywhere...and take this time to put miles on my colt...and enjoy training at home.
Prayers for those whose horses are affected by being exposed to sick horses....and for the safety and health of all horses....
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| Here is an update as of 2 hours ago from Stillwater, mn vet.... They have not mentioned the South Dakota case even tho some one asked in the comments on Facebook. I am surprised by that...
5-3-2014 EHV update
If you missed the recent web cast by Nicola Pusterla, PhD | UC Davis on Recent Equine Herpesvirus-1 Outbreaks , it can be viewed at http://www.myhorseuniversity.com/resources
Many people have asked "are there any new cases" . Your best source for the most recent documented cases are at the state agency web sites. MN, WI, ND, KS state agency web sites are all listed (and linked) to our home page of our web site at stillwaterequine.com.
The manager of the Landcaster Event Center (LEC in Lincoln Nebraska) has posted (from the Nebraska dept of Ag) " No horses in Nebraska have been diagnosed with the disease at this time."
The event planner for the Bonus Race Finals (BRF in Lincoln , Nebraska April 7-10) has posted "To date there have been no other reports of horses showing any signs (other than the two reported cases from WI and Kansas) "of horses that were at the BRF April 7-10 (there were horses form 14 states at the BRF).
MN board of animal health has started an investigation, with the Federal agency ,to investigate the MSP (Minneapolis St Paul) outbreak. They will be sending out or delivering an extensive questionnaire to all positive case owners and some of the surrounding stabled horse owners. This investigation will try to unravel how this virus spreads and what we can do to prevent its spread.
One of the most publicized outbreaks of EHV-1 was the Ogden Utah outbreak in 2011 (cutting horses). A similar investigation was done of this outbreak. Some of the findings of this investigation were presented in the webinar referenced in the first paragraph above. Some of their finds were that Mares are more likely to get EHM, over vaccination can increase the chances of getting EHM, early treatment decreases the chances of getting EHM, and Zinc supplements can help prevent EHM.
Equine Herpes Virus Myeloencephalopathy (EHM) is the neurologic form of EHV.
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM
Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM  From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around.  You are wrong  it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological  Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deathsÂ
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
Mama came back positive for EHV-1 NON NEUROTROPHIC strain but had the nuero symptoms. We haven't received the papers results from our vet this is just what they told us. I'm gunna see if I can get my hands on the actual fax from Kentucky. Maybe that will help answer some questions. Who knows, but it can't hurt. | |
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Location: Wisconsin | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
I was in no way trying to "poo-poo" any of it. I'm sorry if anyone took it that way it was not my intent. My point was that trying to ball every case in the United States into one outbreak is not going to help anyone. There will (from my understanding) always be cases every year due to the nature of the virus. There is a difference (in my opinion) between the cases that are going to happen ever year and this particular outbreak. I feel like in order to try and get a hold on any type of understanding of this outbreak focus should be kept on this particular strain that this outbreak deals with. I feel as though adding every case that is unrelated and a different strain adds confusion and fuel to the rumor mills are running rampant. Next time I will keep my opinions to myself. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:39 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
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Location: Wisconsin | Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:39 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain.
I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
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| Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM
 Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain.
Have they done RNA (I believe is the terminology) mapping to determine if the non neurological and neurological are related? | |
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Location: Wisconsin | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM
Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Â Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain.
I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? Â There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Â Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... Â That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related.
I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. | |
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