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ThreeCorners
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Posted 2016-02-04 8:38 PM
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musikmaker - 2016-02-03 11:16 PM

I think I've read them all. This one? I think it 'nails it'.


"...this is a story that should unite the people together to question the unconstitutional actions of our government."

http://stocktonssoapbox.com/2016/01/31/lavoy-finicum-the-fbi-and-why-youre-missing-the-point/



 This is probably the most powerful piece I have read of our time. WOW!
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Douglas J Gordon
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Posted 2016-02-05 7:37 AM
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Β Funeral today. It will be interesting to see what it will be like in Kanab, Utah.
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musikmaker
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Posted 2016-02-05 7:52 AM
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Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 6:37 AM  Funeral today. It will be interesting to see what it will be like in Kanab, Utah.

Are you going? We're leaving here in a bit headed that way.

 
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Posted 2016-02-05 8:25 AM
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To those traveling to LaVoy's funeral - safe travels.  I had no idea how much federal land was around his ranch.

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanab,_Utah
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Posted 2016-02-05 8:48 AM
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This came up on my Facebook page this morning.  When I saw it, I remembered today is the funeral for Mr. Finecum.  I am posting it to in some way pay tribute to all of the famers and ranchers who no doubt are the backbone of the United States of America.  I have seen so many comments posted on articles about what is happening between ranchers and the government that sadly I have come to realize many just don't get it - even more alarming - many just don't care. 

http://www.dailyliked.net/nfl-commercial-farmers/
 
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MS2011
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2016-02-05 8:55 AM
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musikmaker - 2016-02-05 7:52 AM

Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 6:37 AM Β Funeral today. It will be interesting to see what it will be like in Kanab, Utah.

Are you going? We're leaving here in a bit headed that way.

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Will you give us an update?

I wish it wasn't so far from Texas, I'd like to pay my respects to him for taking a stand.
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Douglas J Gordon
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Posted 2016-02-05 9:07 AM
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musikmaker - 2016-02-05 7:52 AM

Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 6:37 AM Β Funeral today. It will be interesting to see what it will be like in Kanab, Utah.

Are you going? We're leaving here in a bit headed that way.

Β 

Β My wife reminded me of my grand daughters baptism tomorrow morning so I will have to catch the funeral and info on the news.
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Reg. May 2007
Posted 2016-02-05 9:22 AM
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musikmaker - 2016-02-05 8:52 AM
Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 6:37 AM  Funeral today. It will be interesting to see what it will be like in Kanab, Utah.
Are you going? We're leaving here in a bit headed that way.



 

Take pictures and videos.  Of course not the actual funeral.  But I think you know what I mean.   
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Silly Filly
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2016-02-05 9:46 AM
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Last night I watched the video with a retired cop narrating what his thoughts were about the whole situation.  He was furious and had a lot of good points.  With all the crossfiring going on, it's surprising they didn't shoot each other.
The whole thing makes me sick to my stomach to know what our fellow countrymen are capable of doing to innocent people.

 
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crossspur
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2016-02-05 10:11 AM
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OK so my question is what can we do about this ?
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MS2011
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2016-02-05 10:20 AM
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crossspur - 2016-02-05 10:11 AM OK so my question is what can we do about this ?

I've been working on emailing politicians and news stations.  IDK that it does much good, but at least I'm trying.
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OregonBR
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2016-02-05 10:38 AM
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I was reading a post a couple of days ago. I saw someone posted this. It's wonderful. So I asked if I could share it. The first is the original version and credit given to the author. The second is a modern version with credit given to the author.

Martin NiemΓΆller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

NiemΓΆller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak outβ€”
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak outβ€”
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outβ€”
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for meβ€”and there was no one left to speak for me.

Modern version.

David Beall They came for the children
But I had no small children so I didn't stand up.

They came for the ranchers
But I'm not a rancher so I didn't stand up.

They came for the guns
But I don't have any guns so I didn't stand up.

They came after the people who speak out against tyranny
But I don't speak out so I didn't stand up.

They came after me
But there was no one left to stand up.

My friends, if you have never stood for anything now is the time. Look around you, how much freedom do you have? What we have now is NOT what our forefathers wanted for us. STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. BE A PATRIOT. BE AN AMERICAN.


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OregonBR
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Posted 2016-02-05 10:45 AM
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crossspur - 2016-02-05 8:11 AM

OK so my question is what can we do about this ?

Educate yourself about the issues. Then educate others about them in person and in writing.

I've been posting on every relevant topic about real causes of this standoff/Hammonds. Posting links and telling people the real issues. They don't always want to hear it. But I do it anyway. You know people are idiots and closed minded when my comments get deleted off CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL PAGES on facebook. LOL
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rodeoveteran
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Posted 2016-02-05 12:02 PM
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Heer is evidence that BOTH sided of the political spectrum are the same coin. It has become more obvious with our present POTUS who changes LAWS without Congress' consent. The sneakier version of this is the Patriot Act, passed through people's fears for their safety. Up to that point, I was ambivalent about Bush, gave him the benefit of the doubt in the weapons of mass destruction thing, but the PA was outright in taking more and more of our freedoms. Even MORE disturbing (and I remember seeing support of it on this board in the form of things like...I have no problem with a pat down or xray before boarding a plane to keep me safe....) are the number of people that enthusiastically supported it in the name of their own safety. I don't know about y'all but I do NOT feel safer. Guns and bombs slip through while they search random innocents because the "law" prevents them from targeting likely suspects.

And it has lead to this EXACT situation. Home grown, American citizens excercizing their RIGHT to Civil Disobedience are now classified as terrorists and no longer have access to due process. They can be held for ever, with no access to a lawyer or the legal system, with no contact to the outside world. This is NOT a function of the Country that I grew up in. It is on it's way to the USSA (thank you to the Socialists and Progressives in our midst).

It's that slippery slope. Force the states to pass speed laws or withhold Federal money. Pass seat belt laws in the name of safety, leading to the eventual ability of law enforcement to stop anyone at any time with no real probable cause. Voting booths have disappeared, replaced by tables with flimsy, small cardboard dividers and paper ballots linked to your voter ID# (want to keep track of how we vote?!). Take over the standards and practices of public schools, teaching increasing propaganda and practices and had already lead to children turning their parents in for actually parenting their children under the guise of the child's well being. (Teaching kids that this country was founded as a Democracy...it was NOT. It was founded as a Republic of Independent states, each with their own laws. The Federal government was instituted for the protection of the whole from OUTSIDE threats, and to allow free passage from one state to another without restrictions. Not quite what I was taught a long time ago and eons from what is being taught now.) So the slippery slope steepens and we are dangerously close, if not past the point of stopping the slide to the ending of our Country and life as we know it. This is exactly WHY the Constitution was written, by some of the best minds of their time. Well educated in history, they tried to put in fail safes to protect their future countrymen and women from the fall of this civilization we are careening towards at an ever increasing pace.

I shudder in fear every time I hear catchphrases like "safety" and my favorite, "For the good of the children". Many laws are passed under the guise of safety and welfare, but even if the law is proposed and passed by well intended people who would never dream of ABUSING and misusing that law to gain more power and control over the people. Unfortunately, it is human nature. Even more unfortunate in this day and age , is the massive amount of data that can now be gathered, collated and monitored......no microscopically examined and interpreted so that ANY of us could be shown to be an enemy of the State.

I do have small hope that people are starting wake up and give voice to their rights. This and mainly THIS is, I think, why Donald Trump has seen the support he has enjoyed so far. People are tired of political correctness and politics as usual and have embraced him as an anti-politician. I can only hope that he would use his position , if elected, for the good of the people and this Country, instead of furthering Government's seizing power from the very people it was formed to protect.

All of this is what Lavoy Finecum died to protect. What the protestors (not terrorists) in Burns. Not just for individual ranchers, but for ALL of us.

I fear that we are headed for either Government domination and control or a revolution. I don't see much room in between.




Sorry, didn't mean to write a book.



Edited to ad: I do not think that ALL in government and law enforcement are corrupt. I do think that many get in to it for the right reason, but never forget , Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Edited by rodeoveteran 2016-02-05 12:05 PM
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Douglas J Gordon
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Posted 2016-02-05 12:17 PM
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Funeral at 230 today.  The family has a statement after the funeral and then the lady in the truck durinmg the shooting will speak.  Then there is going to be a little memorial ride.  Local news will be reporting.

 
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cyount2009
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Posted 2016-02-05 12:22 PM
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Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 12:17 PM Funeral at 230 today.  The family has a statement after the funeral and then the lady in the truck durinmg the shooting will speak.  Then there is going to be a little memorial ride.  Local news will be reporting.



 

Shawna Cox?
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OregonBR
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Posted 2016-02-05 12:49 PM
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rodeoveteran - 2016-02-05 10:02 AM

Heer is evidence that BOTH sided of the political spectrum are the same coin. It has become more obvious with our present POTUS who changes LAWS without Congress' consent. The sneakier version of this is the Patriot Act, passed through people's fears for their safety. Up to that point, I was ambivalent about Bush, gave him the benefit of the doubt in the weapons of mass destruction thing, but the PA was outright in taking more and more of our freedoms. Even MORE disturbing (and I remember seeing support of it on this board in the form of things like...I have no problem with a pat down or xray before boarding a plane to keep me safe....) are the number of people that enthusiastically supported it in the name of their own safety. I don't know about y'all but I do NOT feel safer. Guns and bombs slip through while they search random innocents because the "law" prevents them from targeting likely suspects.

And it has lead to this EXACT situation. Home grown, American citizens excercizing their RIGHT to Civil Disobedience are now classified as terrorists and no longer have access to due process. They can be held for ever, with no access to a lawyer or the legal system, with no contact to the outside world. This is NOT a function of the Country that I grew up in. It is on it's way to the USSA (thank you to the Socialists and Progressives in our midst).

It's that slippery slope. Force the states to pass speed laws or withhold Federal money. Pass seat belt laws in the name of safety, leading to the eventual ability of law enforcement to stop anyone at any time with no real probable cause. Voting booths have disappeared, replaced by tables with flimsy, small cardboard dividers and paper ballots linked to your voter ID# (want to keep track of how we vote?!). Take over the standards and practices of public schools, teaching increasing propaganda and practices and had already lead to children turning their parents in for actually parenting their children under the guise of the child's well being. (Teaching kids that this country was founded as a Democracy...it was NOT. It was founded as a Republic of Independent states, each with their own laws. The Federal government was instituted for the protection of the whole from OUTSIDE threats, and to allow free passage from one state to another without restrictions. Not quite what I was taught a long time ago and eons from what is being taught now.) So the slippery slope steepens and we are dangerously close, if not past the point of stopping the slide to the ending of our Country and life as we know it. This is exactly WHY the Constitution was written, by some of the best minds of their time. Well educated in history, they tried to put in fail safes to protect their future countrymen and women from the fall of this civilization we are careening towards at an ever increasing pace.

I shudder in fear every time I hear catchphrases like "safety" and my favorite, "For the good of the children". Many laws are passed under the guise of safety and welfare, but even if the law is proposed and passed by well intended people who would never dream of ABUSING and misusing that law to gain more power and control over the people. Unfortunately, it is human nature. Even more unfortunate in this day and age , is the massive amount of data that can now be gathered, collated and monitored......no microscopically examined and interpreted so that ANY of us could be shown to be an enemy of the State.

I do have small hope that people are starting wake up and give voice to their rights. This and mainly THIS is, I think, why Donald Trump has seen the support he has enjoyed so far. People are tired of political correctness and politics as usual and have embraced him as an anti-politician. I can only hope that he would use his position , if elected, for the good of the people and this Country, instead of furthering Government's seizing power from the very people it was formed to protect.

All of this is what Lavoy Finecum died to protect. What the protestors (not terrorists) in Burns. Not just for individual ranchers, but for ALL of us.

I fear that we are headed for either Government domination and control or a revolution. I don't see much room in between.




Sorry, didn't mean to write a book.



Edited to ad: I do not think that ALL in government and law enforcement are corrupt. I do think that many get in to it for the right reason, but never forget , Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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OregonBR
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cyount2009 - 2016-02-05 10:22 AM

Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 12:17 PM Funeral at 230 today.Β  The family has a statement after the funeral and then the lady in the truck durinmg the shooting will speak.Β  Then there is going to be a little memorial ride.Β  Local news will be reporting.



Β 

Shawna Cox?

The judge said she couldn't attend.
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Douglas J Gordon
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Posted 2016-02-05 12:59 PM
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She will speak after the funeral sorry for not including that.
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Douglas J Gordon
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Posted 2016-02-05 1:03 PM
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The local news interviewed in a live video with the Kane County Sheriff  in southern Utah.  He said he has asked the Federal authorities to stay away from Kanab Utah because of high emotions and many people from around the west will be attending the funeral.  There is plenty of local LE in Kanab and from other counties and UHP to provide safety today.

After the funeral there will be a memorial horse ride and a benefit concert.

 

Edited by Douglas J Gordon 2016-02-05 1:04 PM
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