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| FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-16 2:01 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 1:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't. Hi Smiley, I'm just a middle aged woman who raises horses and has ranched her whole life, unlike most of the commentors who wouldn't know the ass end of a cow if it **** on them. I don't live in their echo chamber of fact denial, but rather like to think I'm normal. Ever since I lived in Wyoming for many years, I have found that many ranchers who own federal and state allotments to be ungrateful whiners. When I expressed my liberal opinion that this guy should either pay for his pasture or get off the property, that sent some people into conservative hysteria. I quit commenting on here because I found it addictive and spent way too much time on my laptop, and not enough time working to make a living. These people don't want another opinion, they only want their opinion of revolution and anarchy validated. I can't do that nor do I want to live in that kind of reality. I have no idea how anybody that comments on here all day gets any work done. People believe what they want to believe. I don't try to sling insults because that implies ignorance nor do I hide behind a nickname because that implies cowardice. I was taught better than that. If you look up my nickname on the internet, you'll see who we are, and if you talk to our friends you'll know who we are and what we stand for. Thank you Smiley. Don't let them corrupt you. Your opinion is yours and be proud of it, but if you are scared to claim it, maybe you should rethink your position or get different friends. Lunch break's over.
Well, Finney, that was probably me sometimes as well, yes, we do marry up to some opinions and have a hard time letting them go.
Thanks for the intro - clearly Hotbear can't stand you but that's okay, sometimes he and I have gone head to head too, but I like him and respect his ability to argue with me. Not many will actually.
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On a side note, some of the cattle have turned feral. That was a part of the original concern of the BLM as posted on that BLM page here on this very thread. The cattle had charged (not sure if that was the right word) cars and damaged them or something similar.
That is a part of Bundy's mismanagement. I fear that all the ground conservatives have gained from O being such an A**hat, will be lost from this guy making a fool of himself and many of the right - like the idiot media turds that I will never take seriously again. | |
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Location: North Texas | This LIVE Link is from the Guy who actually walked out front up to the FED's Fence.
Also, there is invalidated info floating around that the FEDS were surrounded by 3000 Americans (Patriots/Militia Types) and something like 500 FEDs. Again, this is unconfirmed to my knowledge.
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Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too.
And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd?
A lot of those southern Nevada operations actually "summer in" on the irrigated ground, and do their breeding there as well. That is hot desert country, where turnout (BLM) is typically in the winter. Little backwards from the majority of the country where cattle are turned out in summer months and irrigated ground is utilized as a hay base.
As for prized bulls though....not a lot of prized cattle in that country from what I have seen. Most have a lot of ear and a pretty rangey. Have to be too survive. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too.
One bull was in an enclosed pen.
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| Let's not border on hypocritcal garbage here; Prized bull, or something that needs a bag over his head makes no difference, it is a living thing that didn't belong to the Feds. What if Bundy raised beautiful fluffy koala bears? Let's stick to what matters. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | smiley - 2014-04-16 3:47 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-16 2:01 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 1:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't. Hi Smiley, I'm just a middle aged woman who raises horses and has ranched her whole life, unlike most of the commentors who wouldn't know the ass end of a cow if it **** on them. I don't live in their echo chamber of fact denial, but rather like to think I'm normal. Ever since I lived in Wyoming for many years, I have found that many ranchers who own federal and state allotments to be ungrateful whiners. When I expressed my liberal opinion that this guy should either pay for his pasture or get off the property, that sent some people into conservative hysteria. I quit commenting on here because I found it addictive and spent way too much time on my laptop, and not enough time working to make a living. These people don't want another opinion, they only want their opinion of revolution and anarchy validated. I can't do that nor do I want to live in that kind of reality. I have no idea how anybody that comments on here all day gets any work done. People believe what they want to believe. I don't try to sling insults because that implies ignorance nor do I hide behind a nickname because that implies cowardice. I was taught better than that. If you look up my nickname on the internet, you'll see who we are, and if you talk to our friends you'll know who we are and what we stand for. Thank you Smiley. Don't let them corrupt you. Your opinion is yours and be proud of it, but if you are scared to claim it, maybe you should rethink your position or get different friends. Lunch break's over.
Thanks for the intro - clearly Hotbear can't stand you but that's okay, sometimes he and I have gone head to head too, but I like him and respect his ability to argue with me. Not many will actually.
And I agree with a lot that you've said on this thread to boot.
Honestly, that's not true. I make a distinction between the individual and their ideology. I dearly love my oldest daughter, and she is a liberal (BUT I'm making progress! LOL), so for me to dislike someone intensely purely on the basis of their ideology would be hypocritical. There were a couple of times I actually agreed with Finney back when she was on here regularly and I remember them. One was on the issue of gay rights, and the other was when she described the mess on their property as a result of oil drilling. I haven't met Diane, and for all I know we would get along fine. It's like any debate about vaccinations between me and Smiley. I like her, so I know enough to steer clear of those.....unless provoked, of course! ;-) Seriously, though, we get along great and I think we respect each other enough such that we might get into a heated debate over something, without letting it ruin our friendship. With rare exceptions, I don't hate liberals. I just hate the liberal-progressive ideology with a passion. I suspect Diane feels the same way about conservatism. I don't fit into any "party mold" and I don't walk the party line. That's why I'm not a Republicrat. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RidenFly - 2014-04-16 4:27 PM Let's not border on hypocritcal garbage here; Prized bull, or something that needs a bag over his head makes no difference, it is a living thing that didn't belong to the Feds. What if Bundy raised beautiful fluffy koala bears? Let's stick to what matters.
They used the word prized bulls and I admit I know nothing about raising cattle. We had a friend that raised Black Angus and they had a neighbor with what he considered a prized bull that he would put in his his heifers every year and it sure wasn't for free. So in my mind Bundy bought some good bulls to cross on his heifers. | |
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Bundy has used the land for 20 years without permission. And isn't it after 5 years of use without the "owner" of the land taking legal action prescriptive rights come to play? I read this somewhere and thought I would ask here. He stopped paying in 1993, court order to remove in 1998 but then not another action until 2013 while he continually used the land. | |
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| RidenFly - 2014-04-16 4:27 PM Let's not border on hypocritcal garbage here; Prized bull, or something that needs a bag over his head makes no difference, it is a living thing that didn't belong to the Feds. What if Bundy raised beautiful fluffy koala bears? Let's stick to what matters.
What does matter, Riden, is this is another example of media sensationalizing this. The legion keeps growing. Every new report says more protesters were there. It's getting like the million mom march. lol! | |
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Location: Online | foundation horse - 2014-04-16 1:40 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 2:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't. Mrs. Finney's historical M.O. has been to C&P something very incendiary in analogy 'passing wind' in a crowd of people and then running off laughing. And her last post that I quoted was as cherry picked as they come! She was attempting to stir the majority members (women's ) emotions with the idea of morals, chivalry and the implication of cowardice. Notice she would not paste a validated live link to her info? And when said Info was examined and analyzed, said action never actually took place. But VOILA! Mrs. Finney has created that proverbial sh!tstorm she is so historically famous for. Let me put me it this way, should Mrs. Finney have something for sell: I AIN'T buying! I vote with my hard earned dollars and I DO NOT support Progressive/Liberal Politics!
She gets her incendiary tactics from her hero Rachel Maddow. | |
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Location: ND | rodeomom13 - 2014-04-16 5:26 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-16 1:40 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 2:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't. Mrs. Finney's historical M.O. has been to C&P something very incendiary in analogy 'passing wind' in a crowd of people and then running off laughing. And her last post that I quoted was as cherry picked as they come! She was attempting to stir the majority members (women's ) emotions with the idea of morals, chivalry and the implication of cowardice. Notice she would not paste a validated live link to her info? And when said Info was examined and analyzed, said action never actually took place. But VOILA! Mrs. Finney has created that proverbial sh!tstorm she is so historically famous for. Let me put me it this way, should Mrs. Finney have something for sell: I AIN'T buying! I vote with my hard earned dollars and I DO NOT support Progressive/Liberal Politics!
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| TXBO - 2014-04-17 2:53 PM RidenFly - 2014-04-16 4:27 PM Let's not border on hypocritcal garbage here; Prized bull, or something that needs a bag over his head makes no difference, it is a living thing that didn't belong to the Feds. What if Bundy raised beautiful fluffy koala bears? Let's stick to what matters. What does matter, Riden, is this is another example of media sensationalizing this. The legion keeps growing. Every new report says more protesters were there. It's getting like the million mom march. lol!
LMAO.... I cracked up reading that. You gotta love the media. They can only survive by the dollars of advertisers so in essence they are .... well, nevermind. You know what I mean. | |
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Location: Montana | FlyingJT - 2014-04-16 2:40 PM Since I can't edit my post above I'll continue with my thought process down here. Bundy has used the land for 20 years without permission. And isn't it after 5 years of use without the "owner" of the land taking legal action prescriptive rights come to play? I read this somewhere and thought I would ask here. He stopped paying in 1993, court order to remove in 1998 but then not another action until 2013 while he continually used the land.
Not if there is a court order in place. Depending on the state, a property owner can have x amount of years to contest a property line. If the property line isn't surveyed within x, that becomes the property line. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | foundation horse - 2014-04-16 2:56 PM This LIVE Link is from the Guy who actually walked out front up to the FED's Fence. Also, there is invalidated info floating around that the FEDS were surrounded by 3000 Americans (Patriots/Militia Types ) and something like 500 FEDs. Again, this is unconfirmed to my knowledge. http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/
Wow...that's a powerful video.
I went to town today & had some time to mull this over some more...(imagine).
Part of me fumes when I hear people say that the ranchers out here are on 'the government teat'...yet, I can see the point. It's like the reservations...we're the next area to be 'socialized'...and have very little support in fighting it. If we grab our guns we're 'radical', if we do nothing we're cowards. The short answer is to give us our land, then we won't be a 'welfare cause' anymore.
Can that happen? Without a stand?
I don't think so.
Many on here & everywhere, including Cliven Bundy, have been saying that this isn't about cattle, turtles or even solar. This is just the 'tool' to get a fair day in court. It can't happen any other way...and I don't know that it will happen this way...there's not a lot of options, though.
I now know that those of us out west naively thought that we could garner some support from the rest of Americans once they knew what was going on & how wrongly the citizens of the western states have been denied our equal footing...a chance to be economically strong and independent, to own our land.
Now we know that the majority of the Americans we hoped would help have come to rely on the gov't sharing our 'riches' with them & they're not about to free us from gov't bondage.
What was a great day in America has turned into a hard truth the rest of us hoped & prayed wasn't so...our Constitution is no longer the law of the land.
For those who would say, "If you don't like it move"...you're next so what's the point?
I used to think that this Nation was split by the Mississippi...it's moved to the Great Divide & is seeping westward.
Oh well! Spring is here & the lake is calling! Gonna enjoy it while I can cuz there ain't no glueing this world back together Humpty.
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| I don't know who is right. I do know that our government, the Reid's, is making a huge mistake saying "he broke the law and when you break the law you have consequences." Talk about selective enforcement of the law and harrasing a citizen. | |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-16 4:53 PM
RidenFly - 2014-04-16 4:27 PM Let's not border on hypocritcal garbage here; Prized bull, or something that needs a bag over his head makes no difference, it is a living thing that didn't belong to the Feds. What if Bundy raised beautiful fluffy koala bears? Let's stick to what matters.
What does matter, Riden, is this is another example of media sensationalizing this. The legion keeps growing. Every new report says more protesters were there. It's getting like the million mom march. lol!
What is significant is that FOX News has been the trendsetter on Coverage by The Networks though. Also, there is a fine line between 'getting the information out there' and 'sensationalism' in order to gain rating, hence revenue.
Speaking of Ratings/Revenue...........Mrs. Finney how is Your Hero Rachel Maddow doing along with MSNBC in ratings? | |
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-16 7:20 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-16 2:56 PM This LIVE Link is from the Guy who actually walked out front up to the FED's Fence. Also, there is invalidated info floating around that the FEDS were surrounded by 3000 Americans (Patriots/Militia Types ) and something like 500 FEDs. Again, this is unconfirmed to my knowledge. http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/
I went to town today & had some time to mull this over some more...(imagine).
Part of me fumes when I hear people say that the ranchers out here are on 'the government teat'...yet, I can see the point. It's like the reservations...we're the next area to be 'socialized'...and have very little support in fighting it. If we grab our guns we're 'radical', if we do nothing we're cowards. The short answer is to give us our land, then we won't be a 'welfare cause' anymore.
Can that happen? Without a stand?
I don't think so.
Many on here & everywhere, including Cliven Bundy, have been saying that this isn't about cattle, turtles or even solar. This is just the 'tool' to get a fair day in court. It can't happen any other way...and I don't know that it will happen this way...there's not a lot of options, though.
I now know that those of us out west naively thought that we could garner some support from the rest of Americans once they knew what was going on & how wrongly the citizens of the western states have been denied our equal footing...a chance to be economically strong and independent, to own our land.
Now we know that the majority of the Americans we hoped would help have come to rely on the gov't sharing our 'riches' with them & they're not about to free us from gov't bondage.
What was a great day in America has turned into a hard truth the rest of us hoped & prayed wasn't so...our Constitution is no longer the law of the land.
For those who would say, "If you don't like it move"...you're next so what's the point?
I used to think that this Nation was split by the Mississippi...it's moved to the Great Divide & is seeping westward.
Oh well! Spring is here & the lake is calling! Gonna enjoy it while I can cuz there ain't no glueing this world back together Humpty.
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