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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM
Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -Â
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.Â
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision.  Â
I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead.
ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-02-11 1:40 PM
TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM
OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed   Ionophore FreeSeminole Blue Bonnet Renew Gold Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel ) Big V Woodys Buckeye Standlee Manna Pro Ametza Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production lineTotal Equine Tribute Kalmbach MFA Purina "Most" Mills Ionophore FreeCargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ Valdosta? Not Ionophore-FreeProducers Coop ADM Hubbard? Thomas Moore
Can we make this list a sticky?
There are ADM facilities that are ionophore free. Just not every mill so your list is not accurate. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 2:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed
Ionophore Free
Seminole
Blue Bonnet
Renew Gold
Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel )
Big V
Woodys
Buckeye
Standlee
Manna Pro
Ametza
Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production line
Total Equine
Tribute
Kalmbach
MFA
Purina
"Most" Mills Ionophore Free
Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States
Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS
Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ
Valdosta?
Not Ionophore-Free
Producers Coop
ADM
Hubbard?
Thomas Moore
No Southern States does not state most are "free". They just say this -
Southern States Cooperative
Feed Safety Statement – January 2015
In light of recent concerns in the horse feed industry regarding contamination of horse feeds, Southern States would like to reassure its customers regarding our feed safety standards. We take extraordinary caution when manufacturing feed to ensure the quality and safety of our feeds for all species. Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species. Specifically in regards to recent concerns in the industry, Southern States has no record of any issue with Monensin in our horse feeds.
Our mills exceed the safety standards required by government regulations. All Southern States feed mills have HACCP (Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point) certification, which is an international program designed to ensure the safety of all food and feed products. We are also certified by the American Feed Industry Association (AFIA) Safe Feed/Safe Food, which defines industry established proper manufacturing practices. AFIA created the program to raise the bar within the industry for feed/food safety practices and awareness. Their program recognizes companies demonstrating their pledge to deliver safe and wholesome feed, while enhancing customer confidence in their products. As a result of our efforts, Southern States mills have been recognized as the AFIA Feed Mill of the Year in 1998, 2007, 2009, 2012 and 2014. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM
I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look.
Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn. |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:42 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-02-11 1:40 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed
Ionophore Free
Seminole
Blue Bonnet
Renew Gold
Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel )
Big V
Woodys
Buckeye
Standlee
Manna Pro
Ametza
Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production line
Total Equine
Tribute
Kalmbach
MFA
Purina
"Most" Mills Ionophore Free
Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States
Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS
Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ
Valdosta?
Not Ionophore-Free
Producers Coop
ADM
Hubbard?
Thomas Moore Can we make this list a sticky? There are ADM facilities that are ionophore free. Just not every mill so your list is not accurate.
That's why I need help ya'll - old and tired. Which ones are and which ones arent? |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 2:43 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 2:26 PM No Southern States does not state most are "free". They just say this -
Southern States Cooperative
Feed Safety Statement – January 2015
In light of recent concerns in the horse feed industry regarding contamination of horse feeds, Southern States would like to reassure its customers regarding our feed safety standards. We take extraordinary caution when manufacturing feed to ensure the quality and safety of our feeds for all species. Our safety standards include stringent processes and quality assurance testing on each batch of feed to ensure our feeds are free from contaminants and contain only the ingredients that are safe for the intended species. Specifically in regards to recent concerns in the industry, Southern States has no record of any issue with Monensin in our horse feeds.
Our mills exceed the safety standards required by government regulations. All Southern States feed mills have HACCP (Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point ) certification, which is an international program designed to ensure the safety of all food and feed products. We are also certified by the American Feed Industry Association (AFIA ) Safe Feed/Safe Food, which defines industry established proper manufacturing practices. AFIA created the program to raise the bar within the industry for feed/food safety practices and awareness. Their program recognizes companies demonstrating their pledge to deliver safe and wholesome feed, while enhancing customer confidence in their products. As a result of our efforts, Southern States mills have been recognized as the AFIA Feed Mill of the Year in 1998, 2007, 2009, 2012 and 2014.
Edited to call it Location-Dependent. Is that more accurate? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
So we should all look the other way because the cost will be too much for us to afford as lowly horse owners?
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). |
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| Bryant Feed Company is also Ionophore free
Purina plant in Denver is Ionophore free |
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Location: Beggs, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 12:52 PM Triple crown told me they send samples out for testing on each batch. I wonder if we could request to see the results from each batch? But knowing most peofit companies they would only publish the ones that are negative, even if they had a few test positive. Persuasive statistics.
Did they say what their allowable amount was though? ADM seems to think that trace amounts aren't toxic to horses even though there are horses that have been exposed to it and are showing to have cardiac damage.....The scary part is that these horses LOOK completely normal. They are only being tested because of known exposure. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look. The Bluebonnet textured feed has corn in it....the Intensify Pelleted products don't.
Edited to clarify that the pelleted feeds don't contain corn.
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Location: Sperry, OK | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:42 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-02-11 1:40 PM TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed Ionophore FreeSeminole Blue Bonnet Renew Gold Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel ) Big V Woodys Buckeye Standlee Manna Pro Ametza Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production lineTotal Equine Tribute Kalmbach MFA Purina "Most" Mills Ionophore FreeCargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ Valdosta? Not Ionophore-FreeProducers Coop ADM Hubbard? Thomas Moore Can we make this list a sticky? There are ADM facilities that are ionophore free. Just not every mill so your list is not accurate.
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| want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 11:45 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM
I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look.
Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn.
It in fact was the intensify. THe one on the black bag? Let me see if I can look up the link
Its the INTENSIFY Textured 14/8 that has corn.
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want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 11:45 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM
I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look.
Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn.
It in fact was the intensify. THe one on the black bag? Let me see if I can look up the link
It's the textured feed that contains corn. I feed the pelleted. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 2:29 PM want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 11:45 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look. Which feed was it by blue bonnet? Omega Force doesn't contain Corn and I'm pretty sure all the intensify lines don't have it? I know their nature's blend contains corn. It in fact was the intensify. THe one on the black bag? Let me see if I can look up the link
I didn't look them all up, but the Intensify Omega Force doesn't contain corn.
http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/172455_Omega-Force-Fab_Sht.pdf |
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| The ONE store that carries Blue bonnet in my area only sells to pet stores, not private citizens. lol Oh well. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | See if you can get your feed store that you normally use to carry it. The feed store I use didn't carry it, but I called them and asked them to, so now they do. Might be worth a shot. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-11 2:08 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-11 1:37 PM I just looked at BLUE BONNET. THere is one store that carries it all the way out here in CA. Store is only 20 miles from my house but second ingredient is CORN. Shoot! I might need to go renew gold route, its readily available here. Its everywhere cheap actually. lol I had an issue with it few years ago with different horses. Might be worth a second look. The Bluebonnet textured feed has corn in it....the Intensify Pelleted products don't.
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Location: Beggs, OK | I just had another thought.
The next time you visit your vet you might consider running a CBC. It's nice to know where your horses levels are "normally". Then when something comes up you will have a baseline to compare too. You also might find an imbalance that could help to shed some light on a problem you may be having.
In all of the research that I've done on this subject I've learned that you can't have too much information. There are horses that are otherwise normal as far as looks and activity that are showing elevated cardiac troponin levels indicative of heart damage. |
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