OregonBR - 2016-02-05 12:51 PM


The judge said she couldn't attend.

cyount2009 - 2016-02-05 1:03 PM A different judge gave her permission to go but she may only enter the church, attend the funeral, give condolences and then go directly home. She was directly ordered not to give any public statement while she is there.

Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 1:52 PM

LDS Church releases statement regarding armed occupation in Oregon
By Faith Heaton Jolley   |  Posted Jan 4th, 2016 @ 5:20pm


While some of the western ranchers involed in this occupation are LDS/Mormon, the church had a statement back on January 4th.BURNS, Ore. — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released a statement Monday after armed protesters took over a federal building at an Oregon wildlife refuge during a land dispute.
One of the protesters occupying the national wildlife refuge in Oregon says the ultimate goal is to turn the land over to local authorities so people can use it free of federal oversight, according to the Associated Press. Ryan Bundy — one of the sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a 2014 standoff with the government over grazing rights — told The Associated Press Sunday the protesters want to "restore the rights to people so they can use the land and resources" for ranching, logging, mining and recreation.

The LDS Church released the following statement in regards to the ongoing situation:

"While the disagreement occurring in Oregon about the use of federal lands is not a Church matter, Church leaders strongly condemn the armed seizure of the facility and are deeply troubled by the reports that those who have seized the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. This armed occupation can in no way be justified on a scriptural basis. We are privileged to live in a nation where conflicts with government or private groups can — and should — be settled using peaceful means, according to the laws of the land." 

Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 12:17 PM Funeral at 230 today.  The family has a statement after the funeral and then the lady in the truck durinmg the shooting will speak.  Then there is going to be a little memorial ride.  Local news will be reporting.



 

ThreeCorners - 2016-02-05 3:51 PM what local news? Are they showing it live? 

rodeoveteran - 2016-02-05 2:52 PM


And this was a peaceful resolution , right LDS? The protesters were peaceful, law enforcement was not.

This release sounds like it was penned by a politician's speech writer......

EnterUp - 2016-02-05 4:26 PM The problem is that the Hammonds sought resolution through these peaceful channels, and look how well that worked out for them! I don't agree with the armed take over of the refuge. But if any of you think that the Government was in anyway fair to the Hammonds then you need to reread the definition of fair. The BLM needs to be totally torn down and if it is even needed then start all over again. Talk about a federal program that is totally out of control. And yes, I do know what I am talking about many members of my family deal with phony BLM every year

Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-05 4:35 PM Totally agree that the 2 Hammonds were screwed big time.  That subject right there needs to be explained to everyone because this is a big reason for the occupation.  It is OK for the BLM to burn their property and if the fire gets away no big deal but if a rancher burns his fields and it gets away the rancher is prosecuted for arson.  Crazy freakin world of power by the BLM.

cruise - 2016-02-05 8:48 AM

This came up on my Facebook page this morning.  When I saw it, I remembered today is the funeral for Mr. Finecum.  I am posting it to in some way pay tribute to all of the famers and ranchers who no doubt are the backbone of the United States of America.  I have seen so many comments posted on articles about what is happening between ranchers and the government that sadly I have come to realize many just don't get it - even more alarming - many just don't care. 

http://www.dailyliked.net/nfl-commercial-farmers/
 

rodeoveteran - 2016-02-05 12:02 PM

Heer is evidence that BOTH sided of the political spectrum are the same coin. It has become more obvious with our present POTUS who changes LAWS without Congress' consent. The sneakier version of this is the Patriot Act, passed through people's fears for their safety. Up to that point, I was ambivalent about Bush, gave him the benefit of the doubt in the weapons of mass destruction thing, but the PA was outright in taking more and more of our freedoms. Even MORE disturbing (and I remember seeing support of it on this board in the form of things like...I have no problem with a pat down or xray before boarding a plane to keep me safe....) are the number of people that enthusiastically supported it in the name of their own safety. I don't know about y'all but I do NOT feel safer. Guns and bombs slip through while they search random innocents because the "law" prevents them from targeting likely suspects.

And it has lead to this EXACT situation. Home grown, American citizens excercizing their RIGHT to Civil Disobedience are now classified as terrorists and no longer have access to due process. They can be held for ever, with no access to a lawyer or the legal system, with no contact to the outside world. This is NOT a function of the Country that I grew up in. It is on it's way to the USSA (thank you to the Socialists and Progressives in our midst).

It's that slippery slope. Force the states to pass speed laws or withhold Federal money. Pass seat belt laws in the name of safety, leading to the eventual ability of law enforcement to stop anyone at any time with no real probable cause. Voting booths have disappeared, replaced by tables with flimsy, small cardboard dividers and paper ballots linked to your voter ID# (want to keep track of how we vote?!). Take over the standards and practices of public schools, teaching increasing propaganda and practices and had already lead to children turning their parents in for actually parenting their children under the guise of the child's well being. (Teaching kids that this country was founded as a Democracy...it was NOT. It was founded as a Republic of Independent states, each with their own laws. The Federal government was instituted for the protection of the whole from OUTSIDE threats, and to allow free passage from one state to another without restrictions. Not quite what I was taught a long time ago and eons from what is being taught now.) So the slippery slope steepens and we are dangerously close, if not past the point of stopping the slide to the ending of our Country and life as we know it. This is exactly WHY the Constitution was written, by some of the best minds of their time. Well educated in history, they tried to put in fail safes to protect their future countrymen and women from the fall of this civilization we are careening towards at an ever increasing pace.

I shudder in fear every time I hear catchphrases like "safety" and my favorite, "For the good of the children". Many laws are passed under the guise of safety and welfare, but even if the law is proposed and passed by well intended people who would never dream of ABUSING and misusing that law to gain more power and control over the people. Unfortunately, it is human nature. Even more unfortunate in this day and age , is the massive amount of data that can now be gathered, collated and monitored......no microscopically examined and interpreted so that ANY of us could be shown to be an enemy of the State.

I do have small hope that people are starting wake up and give voice to their rights. This and mainly THIS is, I think, why Donald Trump has seen the support he has enjoyed so far. People are tired of political correctness and politics as usual and have embraced him as an anti-politician. I can only hope that he would use his position , if elected, for the good of the people and this Country, instead of furthering Government's seizing power from the very people it was formed to protect.

All of this is what Lavoy Finecum died to protect. What the protestors (not terrorists) in Burns. Not just for individual ranchers, but for ALL of us.

I fear that we are headed for either Government domination and control or a revolution. I don't see much room in between.




Sorry, didn't mean to write a book.



Edited to ad: I do not think that ALL in government and law enforcement are corrupt. I do think that many get in to it for the right reason, but never forget , Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Chandler's Mom - 2016-02-06 1:27 AM Love that. Made me cry thinking about my grandpa and his brothers and their daddy clearing the land with mules all those years ago. And how proud Pappaw was of his farm. . . Til the day be died. . .

Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-06 10:21 AM


My granddaddy cleared our home farm with mules too, back in the 30s. He later bought his parents' and siblings' land and sacrificed a lot to do it.  They made sure we kids knew what they went through to build what we have today. 

Anyway, before he and my grandmother married, he built a table out of cypress lumber that he cut down off their land and planed himself.  It's mine now, and I would shoot someone over that table. 

ThreeCorners - 2016-02-06 8:48 AM  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglO5FCYquA .LaVoy Finicum funeral procession.

Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-06 9:21 AM


My granddaddy cleared our home farm with mules too, back in the 30s. He later bought his parents' and siblings' land and sacrificed a lot to do it.  They made sure we kids knew what they went through to build what we have today. 

Anyway, before he and my grandmother married, he built a table out of cypress lumber that he cut down off their land and planed himself.  It's mine now, and I would shoot someone over that table.