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bocephus's mama Reg. May 2005	Posted 2013-12-18 11:40 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Baby Blue's Posts: 7304 Location: Texas	dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... Haha! Can't wait to see it.
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Bear Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2013-12-18 11:44 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
BHW Resident Surgeon Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas	dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... Now, THAT would be nuts, I just know it.
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God Is My Light Reg. Nov 2013	Posted 2013-12-18 11:44 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be	dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... What about RWR ?
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CrossDRanch Reg. Nov 2012	Posted 2013-12-18 11:46 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Elite Veteran Posts: 823 Location: East Texas	HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 11:01 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 10:34 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 9:27 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 8:45 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 8:18 AM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 1:53 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-17 11:33 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-17 9:25 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-17 8:54 PM It's a pittance. The mere fact that a "correction" has to be made from the purported $6,000 to the "actual" $10,000 speaks for itself. Big whup. Big Whup?? I was corrected and it was $14,000 this year. That money is handed to them just for showing up. Their rooms are paid for, their entries are paid for, horse stalls, etc., etc.. I have yet to see a NFR contestant pay for a meal, a drink. They get a ton of swag from the NFR sponsors and LVE. The top 10 for Top Gun this year each won well over 100,000. just at the NFR. The Bareback and Bull riders top money earners BEFORE finals had 200,000. plus. That does not include sponsorship etc.. I have no problem with price increases and the contestants making money. BUT, lets be realistic they are not homeless either. karen I don't care if it's $6K as Yellowhorse said, or $10 K as you said, or the current number of $13500. My point all along is that I think it is pathetic that of the 10,000 pros in the PRCA, maybe a handful can earn even a living wage, after expenses. If you qualify for the Pro Bowlers Association, It costs $150 dollars a year to be a member, and even for a pro bowler the average salary runs between $35-40K a year. That's for about 1 bowling event per month, on the average. I don't care what Bowlers make. How many PRCA members are there? How many are strictly weekend warriors? How many think they are gonna be Buuull Riders, until they get pitched and a bloody lip the first time? There are a lot of contestants that are perfectly happy in their circuit. There are a whole lot of guys who buy a permit and then find out it isn't all beer and girls. You want contestants to earn a living wage. Great! Now define Living Wage. But it needs to happen from the bottom up. Those small town rodeo's with 1000 locals filling the seats are where the new members start. Not at the super bowl of Rodeo. karen Karen I looked it up. The number I came up with was 9000 members of the PRCA as of 2011, I believe. Obviously, the overwhelming majority of those are as you put it - "weekend warriors". To me, I would say a "living wage" would be earnings that would cover all expenses, plus enough money to live on, at a minimum. For example, if you look at all 3000+ members of the WPRA, the top 15 make it to the NFR. I don't know if this is true or not, but I've heard it said that essentially the top 15 qualifiers who make it to the NFR are close to the break even point by the time they make it to Vegas. Whatever they earn at the NFR is basically is what the vast majority "earns" for the year, after all the expenses are taken into account. If you look at Jane Melby's first trip to the NFR in 2011, she entered ranked 11th in the world, with earnings of $63K. She won 3 rounds on Beauty and placed in a 4th, for a total earnings for the NFR of $60K and a total earnings for the year at $123K, but it was that $60K amount that was her earnings for the year after expenses. She wound up 6th in the world after the NFR. I would say that is a decent living wage, but not all that spectacular in this day and age. That's about what a school teacher earns. It's only a handful at the top that really can live off their earnings. In the world of so-called professional sports, when it comes to earnings/winnings, cowgirls and cowboys are sitting at the bottom. Really, we are basically saying the same thing. I totally agree that it needs to happen "from the bottom up", but that will only help at the regional level. Nationally, I think there needs to be more exposure on the big stage. I raise the question about the Orlando-Disney-ABC connection. Basically, what's good for one is good for the rest. If Orlando is willing to build an arena specifically because of the NFR's committment there, with a larger arena with more seating, then if that draws more people, that will help with gate receipts at Disney World. If ABC somehow gets into the act and figures out a way to showcase ot televise the NFR in it's entirety, that will boost earnings, and attract more sponsors. When top rodeo competitors become actual personalities in the arena and out, that will be a move in the right direction. All of this will lead back to those small town rodeos, especially when you can see people like Cody Ohl and Sherry Cervi at a rodeo somewhere not too far away. It's all connected. Ever since ancient Rome, human beings have had an unquenchable thirst for gladiators. It's gone from the Colluseum of Rome to places like Coors Field, Texas stadium, and now either T&M or Orlando. So now this converstion has gone full cirlcle....and we are looking at a new possible venue like Orlando. I have the opinion that this may be a very fortuitous development and maybe, just maybe this will offer the opportunity for a breakout. Dang Scott.....are you sure you're not working for Obama..... Care to elaborate, Dave? Obama? How so? Let's hear your ideas. I'm not being snarky....seriously. I'm just thinking outloud. I'm working from the premise that the NFR won't be in Vegas, so maybe this will wind up being an opportunity. LOL....just his whole living wage thing for people that want to make a 'living' playing sports instead of an actual job with benefits........sounds more like an Obama plan for the top rodeo cowboys .......which could really generate a whole new department to deal with it, even a website that is linked to the PRCA website.....of course it may not actually be accessible....and you may not actually get any benefits.......all kidding aside, these professional athletes at the top of the heap are going to get your living wage but what is your entitlement solution for, lets say, the top 50 in each event so that they get the living wage they deserve....????should the PRCA increase members fees and add taxes on fan tickets to provide health benefits to their high risk pool (oh wait, obamacare has already done that so they don't need to worry about that anymore) .....so that just leaves the retirement plan that certain ropers want.......and fine if they can get that stuff but you are talking a financial base that is always going to be way smaller no matter how you try to grow it compared to the things you bring up.....honestly i think this competition between venues might be just the thing pro rodeo needs at this point to give more 'athletes' an opportunity to make money....... i will be in vegas for whatever they put on in 2015 and not orlando..... All along what I have been trying to say is based on free market principles. I think there is much more opportunity to see increased popularity and hence increased revenues in the sport. That's all I am getting at. I'm talking more exposure to more people, and everything else that would follow in any market-driven endeavor. The PRCA is supposedly "not-for-profit", but that can be misleading as hell. Nothing about what I am trying to say is based on an entitlement model at all. My mistake was in the use of the term "living wage"......that sounded like an Obama-ism. Today, without family money, etc..., you simply can't "chase the dream" for very long even if you are darned good. I want to see that change and I think it can. If nothing else, this whole Vegas/Orlando discussion has served to focus on something where improvement is necessary, in my opinion. BTW... the NFL is also listed as a non-profit.
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dhdqhllc Reg. Feb 2011	Posted 2013-12-18 11:48 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Always Off Topic Posts: 6382 Location: ND	God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... What about RWR ? RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to .....
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Nevertooold Reg. Oct 2003	Posted 2013-12-18 11:50 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land Posts: 64864 Location: In the Hills of Texas	dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... With you old farts that will be a short movie.
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dhdqhllc Reg. Feb 2011	Posted 2013-12-18 11:51 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Always Off Topic Posts: 6382 Location: ND	Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:50 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... With you old farts that will be a short movie. hey now.....we can certainly make it as long as Last Vegas!!!! esp if we include Lulu..... Edited by dhdqhllc 2013-12-18 11:52 AM
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Bear Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2013-12-18 11:54 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
BHW Resident Surgeon Posts: 25351 Location: Bastrop, Texas	I might even grow a beard just for the occasion.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-12-18 11:56 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... I bet if we could get Stressman in the poker room for a couple hours, we could pay for the trip.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-12-18 11:58 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:50 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... With you old farts that will be a short movie. LMAO!
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CrossDRanch Reg. Nov 2012	Posted 2013-12-18 11:58 AM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Elite Veteran Posts: 823 Location: East Texas	CYA Ranch - 2013-12-18 11:21 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 10:11 AM ThreeCorners - 2013-12-18 9:57 AM TXBO - 2013-12-18 9:48 AM Pro rodeo is more akin to organized professional gambling than it is organized professional sports. You are right on this in that you gamble every time you enter. I dont care what event you work or if your a timey or a roughy. You can draw a bum calf, miss a loop, get bucked off or hit a barrel. So it is a gamble and you dont get paid unless things fall your way and you place. Rodeo contestants dont have the gauranteed pay check yearly salary like other professional sports like baseball, football, or basketball. True, but is it completely unrealistic to hope to see that change? NASCAR drivers get a base salary that is negotiated, plus endorsements, plus winnings. Is it possible to see the top tier rodeo competitors earning some sort of base salary? I can see all sorts of possibiities where endorsement opportunities really expand. It all really depends on promoting the sport and seeing an explosion in the fan base. If that ever happens, opportunities will open up. Right now the only endorsements are for feeds, supplements, saddles and equipment, for the most part. When rodeo stars reach a sort of celebrity status and begin to more regularly endorse cereal, pizza, after shave, cosmetics, McDonalds, etc.....then that will be huge. In order to get paid like your talking the money would have to come from a governing body who will start dictating where the contestants go, what are you feeding your horses because God forbid did that particular company give enough money to said governing body even though your horse might not do well on it, are they injured so should they ride tonight, what are they wearing (more so than they do now so lets not get started on that) etc etc. I think one of the greatest things about rodeo is you make up your own mind about daily decisions. Someone said pro rodeo was alot of gambling.... If it is, you don't wanted to be like the NFL. CYA you are right. There are 10 signs like this one in every NFL locker room tell players what to wear and how to wear it. What they can and can not take, etc. (nfl.jpg) Attachments ---------------- nfl.jpg (97KB - 147 downloads)
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-12-18 12:00 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... I like to shop in Pahrump.
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dhdqhllc Reg. Feb 2011	Posted 2013-12-18 12:01 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Always Off Topic Posts: 6382 Location: ND	TXBO - 2013-12-18 11:56 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... I bet if we could get Stressman in the poker room for a couple hours, we could pay for the trip. dam straight.....
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God Is My Light Reg. Nov 2013	Posted 2013-12-18 12:11 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be	dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... What about RWR ? RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... If I provided double his funds can I come ????? :D:D:D:D
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NJJ Reg. Jul 2006	Posted 2013-12-18 12:15 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Fact Checker Posts: 16572 Location: Displaced Iowegian	God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 12:11 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... What about RWR ? RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... If I provided double his funds can I come ????? :D:D:D:D Take my word for it....you DON'T want to go with "those" guys!
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barrelracr131 Reg. Aug 2011	Posted 2013-12-18 12:18 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Hungarian Midget Woman Location: Midwest	NJJ - 2013-12-18 12:15 PM God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 12:11 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... What about RWR ? RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... If I provided double his funds can I come ????? :D:D:D:D Take my word for it....you DON'T want to go with "those" guys! Someone needs to go and keep them toeing the line LOL I would be willing to chaperone because I think it would be quite hilarious
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Cowgirl Up!_1 Reg. Jun 2013	Posted 2013-12-18 12:28 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Regular Posts: 90	TXBO - 2013-12-18 12:00 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... I like to shop in Pahrump. I don't have any dogs in this fight but your comment just made me LOL in my office and now the woman next to me wants to know why I think what I'm supposed to be doing is so funny....
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-12-18 12:37 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 12:11 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... What about RWR ? RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... If I provided double his funds can I come ????? :D:D:D:D Not if you consider yourself a lady.
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barrelracr131 Reg. Aug 2011	Posted 2013-12-18 12:38 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Hungarian Midget Woman Location: Midwest	TXBO - 2013-12-18 12:37 PM God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 12:11 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us. well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice.... What about RWR ? RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... If I provided double his funds can I come ????? :D:D:D:D Not if you consider yourself a lady. ha!
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2013-12-18 12:40 PM Subject: RE: 2015 NFR- Vegas or Florida?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	Cowgirl Up!_1 - 2013-12-18 12:28 PM TXBO - 2013-12-18 12:00 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:48 AM RWR is just providing funds although i don't think we weill be able to get by on $1300 apiece for the week....he may have to step it up a little....we might do a lot of shopping to ..... I like to shop in Pahrump. I don't have any dogs in this fight but your comment just made me LOL in my office and now the woman next to me wants to know why I think what I'm supposed to be doing is so funny.... Just tell her you love your work.
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