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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM
OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed   Ionophore FreeSeminole Blue Bonnet Renew Gold Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel ) Big V Woodys Buckeye Standlee Manna Pro Ametza Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production lineTotal Equine Tribute Kalmbach MFA Purina Location-dependentCargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ Valdosta? Not Ionophore-FreeProducers Coop ADM Hubbard? Thomas Moore
So does this list represent all Purina horse feeds? | |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM
Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -Â
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.Â
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision.   I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.Â
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example).Â
This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag.
I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
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Location: Here | Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
I disagree They are making plenty on horse feed! And if other mills can make it in ionophore free mills so can teh big names. Purina did it! | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I also disagree with a part of your answer. The reason Seminole in ,Florida is only $14.95 for a 14% 7% fat. 50 lb bag. And it is a good feed. Actually that is only 70 cents more then the ADM I was feeding. | |
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Location: Florida.. | SG. - 2015-02-11 5:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-02-11 6:40 PM
SG. - 2015-02-11 5:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -Â
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.Â
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision.   I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.Â
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
I feel like I'm paying premium prices for my blue bonnet at $25.85 a bag for the blue bonnet I'm buying. But to me it's worth it. I was paying $23 for my TC a few bucks more is fine by me for peace of mind. Last time I checked the ADM 12% was going for $18 a bag and the SR. Glow was going for around $25. I agree with all that say if Purina can change their ways for safety why can't the others and still be cost effective? If Blue Bonnet wasn't available to me I would be comfortable feeding purina, personally. I never got the information on the 4 mills that purina produces medicated livestock feed along with equine feed, they asked for my telephone # so they could contact me. but the email from them said they use totally different machines. So there is no chance of cross contamination. Not just following strict guidelines for "flushing " . | |
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Location: Here | If you haven't checked this, it will give you a good idea if there is a medicated mill in your area
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalVeterinary/Products/AnimalFoodFeeds/MedicatedFeed/UCM089532.pdf | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TrackinBubba - 2015-02-11 1:26 PM OK I started a list - please edit me as there is a lot of info on this thread and I'm likely to get my wires crossed
Ionophore Free
Seminole
Blue Bonnet
Renew Gold
Kent Feeds (Blue Seal, Sentinel )
Big V
Woodys
Buckeye
Standlee
Manna Pro
Ametza
Medicated feed made in a separate facility/production line
Total Equine
Tribute
Kalmbach
MFA
Purina
Location-dependent
Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown/Southern States
Free mills: Seguin, TX (81 ), OKC, Alabama, Kentucky, Byhalia, MS
Not free: Merced, CA, Sterling, CO, Stockton, CA, Casa Grande, AZ
Valdosta?
Not Ionophore-Free
Producers Coop
ADM
Hubbard?
Thomas Moore
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 2:23 PM I could be wrong on this but I'm not 100% sure the mill in Seguin for tc is "free" I'm trying to find my emails from them regarding that mill.
Triple Crown mill in Sequin, TX (81) is safe and free of ionophores. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-11 6:40 PM SG. - 2015-02-11 5:46 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 4:31 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 1:48 PM Zebra racer - 2015-02-11 2:41 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-11 12:43 PM Another person I know had a conversation with an ADM representative. He assured her that all of this was being blown out of proportion by FB and web pages...................................
They still don't get it. Her response to him was - if you knew that you were feeding your kid posion, would you continue to do so even though it hadn't killed him so far? No answer -
There is only one answer - that is to demand and tell our horse feed suppliers that we as consumers want separate facilities.
It does not matter if the horse is worth $100 or $100K - I will not play the hit and miss with my animals when I as a consumer can make an informed decision. I agree, cost of the horse does not matter. But this will not happen without a great price increase to the horse owner. It might leave 10 facilities in the US making horse feed. Do not confuse an actual mill with a place that blends. But this will create a monopoly on feed. And that might be good or it might not. You can not just add another area without huge overhead. ADM came to a facility that I used to sell to. They demanded the mill upgrade to the tune of 1.5 million dollars to be approved to make feed for ADM. The profit did not outweigh the cost and they chose to stick with cattle feed since there is continuous profit without much fuss on feed choices. Horse people are the worst to deal with in their opinion.
Your reasoning is right and well within what will happen. But, me, I choose not to participate.
All ADM has to do is change their quality control and the limits that they find acceptable. They won't even release the data they have showing their "acceptable" limits of monensin. They refuse to acknowledge there is a problem. I really think that is my main beef. It is always the consumer who is wrong - never the big buy with the big wallet. (ADM is the only product I have dealt with personally, thus using them as the example). This is not my reasoning per say this is what I have heard and seen. I am trying to share the fact that when there are limited supplies of horse safe mills, the price, the freight, the supply and demand will reflect double the cost in my opinion. So when there is a thread about why is corn $200 a bushel yet my feed costs keep going up? We will understand that we made this happen. People will then decide if they want a horse that requires feed that cost $30 a bag. I think it needs to happen. I am just saying, we can not then complain about the cost of change. Higher paid employees, computerized feed batching, cameras to record feed makers, testing, more bins, regulation period, you surely get the point. Not my point, just a point.
The price difference is found in their marketing costs and their ingredients. Purina has never been known for buying the best grade grains available as their costs go into advertisement and pretty bags. | |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-11 7:41 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-11 2:23 PM I could be wrong on this but I'm not 100% sure the mill in Seguin for tc is "free" I'm trying to find my emails from them regarding that mill.
Triple Crown mill in Sequin, TX (81) is safe and free of ionophores.
Good to know. I've gotten too many emails the last few days from different feed companies. Think I'll make a little list too. Just in case . | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Purina Kansas City is Ionophore free | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.
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Location: Florida.. | ADM said your feed was fine............................but you privately tested it and it tested positive.
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM
I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.Â
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin.  Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed. Â
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc.  They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm  Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.Â
Wow!! I've got two ADM dealers out here still happily loading feed into people's trucks. Such a shame... | |
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| I am going to send a sample of my feed in to be tested. I am hoping it isn't contaminated and my horses' stomachs just didn't agree with it, but I am scared that if it is they might have some heart damage...Would like to know for sure what I am dealing with | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.
Holy crap. Can you say "nail in the coffin"? I was already done, but this totally reinforced the decision. | |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 8:31 AM
I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.Â
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin.  Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed. Â
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc.  They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm  Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.Â
WOW - so glad you were pro-active. Thank you for sharing this first-hand very valuable information. This is an amazing thread of knowledge. There are so many wonderful pages to this thread and I know many of us are following it daily to stay informed. I don't want to take away from this thread and cause confusion but would you feel comfortable sharing your results in a separate post on here? Maybe those who just skim the topics would catch it that way. Thank you again for sharing. | |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM
I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.Â
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin.  Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed. Â
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc.  They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm  Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them.Â
Wow! Lying to your face, UNBELIEVABLE! Hope everything turns out ok for you. | |
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ADM has likely TOTALLY underestimated the reach of the internet forums and social media. They tried to just brush this under the rug and figure only a few folks will ever really know what caused their horses to become sick or die. Think how many small individual folks bought this feed and may never know that this could be what killed their horse or made it sick. or...down the road when it's heart fails...will they even think of feed from way back as being a possibility?
The MINUTE the first samples came back positive for Monesin contamination...ANY Monesin contamination...they should have Recalled those Lot numbers. Just to be safe and to do further tests. By being heartless greedy businessmen...and in choosing to deny and downplay any problem...in my mind they are RESPONSIBLE for any subsequent horse deaths or illness caused by their contaminated product.
Mistakes happen...machines and people fail...but OWN IT. They will never see a dime of my money...or the money of anyone I know as I will be sure to point them to all of this information. ADM better have a lot of cattle feed customers...because they won't likely have very many horse owners purchasing their products once the word gets out about their lack of action and denials.
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