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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | cruise - 2016-02-06 3:47 PM http://world.korupciya.com/2016/02/07/oregon-shot-heard-round-world... That pretty much sums it up.
So, yesterday...I met a lady at Lavoys's funeral...she's not one you will see on tv. Her family are ranchers in Burns. Very much a lady.
She told me that in the beginning of the 'occupation' the locals were kinda scared...they didn't know these people, and at church one Sunday morning a preacher from a different congregation, who they all know, respect and believe, said that he'd been 'threatened' by one of the occupiers. It created a 'fear'...they had no doubt that he told the truth. Then later, they find out that the fbi were caught threatening and scaring the locals while pretending to be patriots. Her family, being 'old timers' were some who refused to 'deal ' with the blm...she said that is the divide, some 'get' something out of it and others are bullied. Like the Hammonds. ALL depending on the lands the fed want to 'acquire'.
It comes down to money...always.
She said that most of the people who live in Burns haven't been there long...like 5 years...and she tells them, "When you can say you lived through the drought of the 70's and the floods of the 80's...then you come talk to me about 'being from Burns, Oregon'!"
She said the town is so divided...even the ranchers due to the $$$.
She never met Lavoy. She supports what him and the rest are trying to do.
She is a Patriotic American.
And she traveled to Kanab, Utah to pay her respects.
Please support States Rights. Please write (email)to your congressmen, your commissioners & your Governor (yes...they have a national association of governors & commissioners) and tell them to suppoert States Rights, too...many will not want to do this because they receive PILT funding (bribery and blackmail) and fill their own pockets, too.
Thank you...I'm very saddened and scared of the direction we are going. No potus can change this...only We The People can. Edited by musikmaker 2016-02-06 10:30 PM
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Location: Where I am happiest | musikmaker - 2016-02-06 10:29 PM cruise - 2016-02-06 3:47 PM http://world.korupciya.com/2016/02/07/oregon-shot-heard-round-world... That pretty much sums it up.
So, yesterday...I met a lady at Lavoys's funeral...she's not one you will see on tv. Her family are ranchers in Burns. Very much a lady.
She told me that in the beginning of the 'occupation' the locals were kinda scared...they didn't know these people, and at church one Sunday morning a preacher from a different congregation, who they all know, respect and believe, said that he'd been 'threatened' by one of the occupiers. It created a 'fear'...they had no doubt that he told the truth. Then later, they find out that the fbi were caught threatening and scaring the locals while pretending to be patriots. Her family, being 'old timers' were some who refused to 'deal ' with the blm...she said that is the divide, some 'get' something out of it and others are bullied. Like the Hammonds. ALL depending on the lands the fed want to 'acquire'.
It comes down to money...always.
She said that most of the people who live in Burns haven't been there long...like 5 years...and she tells them, "When you can say you lived through the drought of the 70's and the floods of the 80's...then you come talk to me about 'being from Burns, Oregon'!"
She said the town is so divided...even the ranchers due to the $$$.
She never met Lavoy. She supports what him and the rest are trying to do.
She is a Patriotic American.
And she traveled to Kanab, Utah to pay her respects.
Please support States Rights. Please write (email)to your congressmen, your commissioners & your Governor (yes...they have a national association of governors & commissioners) and tell them to suppoert States Rights, too...many will not want to do this because they receive PILT funding (bribery and blackmail) and fill their own pockets, too.
Thank you...I'm very saddened and scared of the direction we are going. No potus can change this...only We The People can.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | A simple petition to sign, this was started by Lavoy's niece:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/full-investigation-death-lavoy-finicum-federal-agents-january-26-2016-united-states-ag
* From someone at LaVoy Finicum's funeral: "" We were there and it was all real, just like him and his beautiful family. It's the biggest funeral anyone has ever seen, the church and streets overflowing. It is on the Arizona strip. We've known him for 20 years. He is a hero, and was murdered, and anyone who lies and disparages this great, humble, decent man isn't worthy to dust his boots. He was and is everything an American should be, a law-abiding patriot, who was beloved by everyone who ever met him, and he lived and died by good principles. It tells you who he is, how he was honored today, and always was, as he respected and honored everyone. The church was overflowing with people whose lives he touched and enriched paying their respects. Good old cowboys and ranchers, hard-working down-to-earth family people. The pictures and videos and story of his life will be told, not the way the lying, evil media and government has depicted him. people will see this gentle, peaceful cowboy who lived an exemplary life, who was the "finest timber," as his brother said today, a better man you will never see, is what people said today as well. He lived the dream this country is about -- not money -- but being a man of the earth, loving his family and god and country, a real American cowboy. His life speaks for itself. The criminal gang you call "authority" shot him in cold blood because he was what this country used to be in its shining moments, a threat to their greed and power. They laughed over his dead body. He was shot at from the time he pulled over, and he drove off to save the lives of those in the car, and they were shot at as his car hit the snowbank, and he sacrificed himself with his arms up to save everyone else, saying, "if you are going to shoot, shoot ME." He was gunned down like he was nothing, because he was everything those satanic evil soulless murderers could never be. He is what this country is built on, and was, while he was here. Now our heroes have been assassinated one by one and imprisoned and called criminals for fighting the real criminals. We were blessed by knowing men like him. Maybe his spirit and message will live on through those young men there today who showed him so much respect, because they knew him and the world was not good enough to. Rest in peace, and ride with God, cowboy. Lavoy Finicum, American hero. ~~~ Unknown
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | myhre - 2016-02-07 6:49 PM It's so sad to watch an innocent man being murdered and most likely will get away with it.
Getting away with murder seems to be the Obama way.
RIP LaVoy 
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That freakin Democratic Governor in Oregon she called for the murder. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | His autopsy was last week. Does anyone know the results? It's very odd that I don't see anything about that.
Also, is there any legal recourse for his shooting? Will there be any legal repercussions?
This is a huge crisis in the western states. I haven't heard any of the presidential candidates say anything. That's very odd.
He's dead and buried. Now what? |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Bear - 2016-02-08 7:04 AM His autopsy was last week. Does anyone know the results? It's very odd that I don't see anything about that. Also, is there any legal recourse for his shooting? Will there be any legal repercussions? This is a huge crisis in the western states. I haven't heard any of the presidential candidates say anything. That's very odd. He's dead and buried. Now what?
I haven't heard anyone mention the autopsy results. Lavoy's funeral was about his 'life' not his death...although there were many references to it. The air was thick with frustration, anger...questions. Watch this...I can't get through it without crying:
https://content.jwplatform.com/previews/l7vQixvV
I posted a link to a whitehouse petition asking for a full investigation, they only have until the 26th to get 100,000 signatures, they only have a little over 3,000 so far.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/full-investigation-death-lavoy-finicum-federal-agents-january-26-2016-united-states-ag
I do not feel comfortable speaking about some of it out of respect for the family...they will share what they need/want to share.
It is weird that mainstream media isn't allowed to talk about it! Then again...our government just got busted assassinating an American Citizen who's only crime was educating people...please keep in mind that this 'federal government' is NOT the United States of America government! These are the agencies that are solely controlled by the executive branch...outside of our constitutional structure. And the federal courts are not our courts...they're 'internal courts' set up to judge the workings of the agencies...nothing more. These courts aren't affiliated with the judicial branch.
I don't want to sound too crazy...ha...anyone can easily figure it out by reading and understanding our framers and their intent, fears...warnings.
I hear talk that the father/daughter who drove up on the scene were the reason the shooting stopped...they've gone underground, they say. They took video, they say.
So much 'smoke and mirrors'...the PPN has been compromised as have the lll%'s.
Blackstone.
This is far from over...there's still 4 individuals at the refuge that haven't been forgotten by everyone...yet. The fed still has up to 1,000 agents in Burns.
It's still a 'powder keg'.
Pete Santilli is still being held...and for what? For reporting the truth.
Ammon is kept in solitary confinement...why? He wasn't even allowed to go to his own indictment.
Why is the fed so afraid of these people?
I had a hard time watching the superbowl halftime show...and our National Anthem, beautiful as it was, I can't help wonder at the ignorance of the masses...do they not know that we have political prisoners that are being held because they're a threat to the powers that be? A 'virus'? Seriously?
We've had many discussions on this site over the years...and here we are.
There's still independents covering this...a couple I trust:
http://tvoinews.com/
https://www.facebook.com/guerillamedia/?fref=ts
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Location: Alabama | I signed the petition. Will be researching today to see who all I can write/email about my disgust with this entire situation. It baffles me the way life is just going on as normal for the masses. This isn't in the mainstream media. People have their heads buried in the sand on these issues... |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Sockittoemred - 2016-02-08 9:05 AM I signed the petition. Will be researching today to see who all I can write/email about my disgust with this entire situation. It baffles me the way life is just going on as normal for the masses. This isn't in the mainstream media. People have their heads buried in the sand on these issues...
And share it if you have facebook...please!
Here's a video just out on the remaining patriots at the refuge.
This is a mess...an awesome cause, but, it goes to show that The People are no longer the governing body of our once great nation.
I guess that is the ultimate lesson here. Our Constitution is no longer in affect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SDLsyrbIQ4&feature=player_embedded
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Sockittoemred - 2016-02-08 11:05 AM I signed the petition. Will be researching today to see who all I can write/email about my disgust with this entire situation. It baffles me the way life is just going on as normal for the masses. This isn't in the mainstream media. People have their heads buried in the sand on these issues...
It baffels me also. If you read comments under articles such as the ones on oregonlive you will see that far more of the general support what was done than do not. Many say it was suicide by cop - a lot call him tarp boy - most think they are all ignorant. It is very eye opening, and sad, to see how many people are so disconnected from the land that feeds them - and the people that work it. Scarier is the number of people who are fine with what happened. |
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| Bear - 2016-02-08 8:04 AM
His autopsy was last week. Does anyone know the results? It's very odd that I don't see anything about that.
Also, is there any legal recourse for his shooting? Will there be any legal repercussions?
This is a huge crisis in the western states. I haven't heard any of the presidential candidates say anything. That's very odd.
He's dead and buried. Now what?
According to this article it says the FBI will not release the results for another 4 to 6 weeks. It also said that the family is declining to release the results of their private autopsy. I find a little discrediting to the claims but someone on here said their lawyers may have urged them not to.
This particular article also says the dash cams did not record the incident and that the FBI chose to use the "most clear video". Hmmmmm.....
ETA the article... duh
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/post_6.html
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 9:29 AM why would they not release it.
Because the fed 'counters' everything...releasing any info gives them the opportunity to find an excuse for it. |
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Location: Florida.. | musikmaker - 2016-02-08 11:32 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 9:29 AM why would they not release it. Because the fed 'counters' everything...releasing any info gives them the opportunity to find an excuse for it.
The autopsy is a fact so feds can counter it.. |
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| musikmaker - 2016-02-08 10:32 AM
Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 9:29 AM why would they not release it.
Because the fed 'counters' everything...releasing any info gives them the opportunity to find an excuse for it.
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 10:34 AM
musikmaker - 2016-02-08 11:32 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 9:29 AM why would they not release it. Because the fed 'counters' everything...releasing any info gives them the opportunity to find an excuse for it.
They absolutely can. Depending on what the private autopsy says, the feds can then twist their "findings", evidence and stories to make it look justified. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | cyount2009 - 2016-02-08 9:37 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 10:34 AM musikmaker - 2016-02-08 11:32 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 9:29 AM why would they not release it. Because the fed 'counters' everything...releasing any info gives them the opportunity to find an excuse for it. They absolutely can. Depending on what the private autopsy says, the feds can then twist their "findings", evidence and stories to make it look justified.
Nothing went as planned for the fed...a bungled assassination, a video from a drone that wasn't theirs (I understand it was from the DoD...interestingly), a vehicle that came upon the scene, a planned 'shootout' that didn't occur...a story that didn't match the video, 2 witnesses whose stories DID match the video...witnesses. Period. |
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Location: Florida.. | musikmaker - 2016-02-08 12:00 PM cyount2009 - 2016-02-08 9:37 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 10:34 AM musikmaker - 2016-02-08 11:32 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 9:29 AM why would they not release it. Because the fed 'counters' everything...releasing any info gives them the opportunity to find an excuse for it. They absolutely can. Depending on what the private autopsy says, the feds can then twist their "findings", evidence and stories to make it look justified.
I have seen that story over and over again..repeated over and over again..... and I understand that.. I just simply asked why the autopsy wasnt released.. a simple question.. but she answered so we will see what happens.. |
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Location: Online | cyount2009 - 2016-02-08 9:36 AM musikmaker - 2016-02-08 10:32 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-08 9:29 AM why would they not release it. Because the fed 'counters' everything...releasing any info gives them the opportunity to find an excuse for it. That's a good point.
Maybe they are waiting to get all their ducks in a row. Wait until the Feds come out with their official report then counter with their report. Try to keep the upper hand. They know how hard it is to beat the Feds. They need to be fully prepared to fight back.
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