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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | TrailGirl - 2015-02-12 10:22 AM ADM has likely TOTALLY underestimated the reach of the internet forums and social media. They tried to just brush this under the rug and figure only a few folks will ever really know what caused their horses to become sick or die. Think how many small individual folks bought this feed and may never know that this could be what killed their horse or made it sick. or...down the road when it's heart fails...will they even think of feed from way back as being a possibility? The MINUTE the first samples came back positive for Monesin contamination...ANY Monesin contamination...they should have Recalled those Lot numbers. Just to be safe and to do further tests. By being heartless greedy businessmen...and in choosing to deny and downplay any problem...in my mind they are RESPONSIBLE for any subsequent horse deaths or illness caused by their contaminated product. Mistakes happen...machines and people fail...but OWN IT. They will never see a dime of my money...or the money of anyone I know as I will be sure to point them to all of this information. ADM better have a lot of cattle feed customers...because they won't likely have very many horse owners purchasing their products once the word gets out about their lack of action and denials.
They knew about my contamination on Jan 4. They knew the lot numbers on Jan 5 when they came to my home. Yet, as you stated they did nothing towards a recall. |
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                      Location: Here | Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-12 9:11 AM 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 7:31 AM I will put this out there - I had my feed tested and got the results back this morning. I have been dealing with this problem since Jan 4 when we had a very unexplained colic. A ADM representative came to my home. They took samples. Mainly, because the batch was visably contaminated. I put those pictures on FB and asked for opinions on what people thought the unusual pellet was. Came back as one of the Glo products. I immediately pulled the feed until I got results from ADM. ADM called me back and said the feed was fine. I even posted this on here that I felt the product was good to go and that my rep answered all my questions. Then the other farm in AL came up with the same batch numbers that I had. I had 42 bags of this batch number.
Long story short - I sent my feed to Auburn. I got the test results this morning. My feed is/was contaminated with monensin. Anyone reading this can decide if they want to keep feeding feed that has the ability to be contaminated. I will not. Thank God I had enough sense to pull the feed.
If anyone would like pictures of the report, tag numbers, etc. They are the same tag numbers as the farm in AL - Royal Palm Please PM me. I am having a hard time attaching them. Holy crap. Can you say "nail in the coffin"? I was already done, but this totally reinforced the decision. ME TOO!!! GOODBYE ADM!!!! HOPE you are reading this Jason! NO MORE ADM you have cost horse owners Way too much money and heartache over your lack of will to do the right thing! Not counting all the torture your monensium has caused horses
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       Location: Texas | I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? |
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                      Location: Here | RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found?
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       Location: Texas | SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call
My feed store put me in touch with the sales rep. The paper tag said Triple Crown Senior (BY) and he said that would be Byhalia, MS which makes sense. Now I can take a breath. |
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      Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 9:35 AM TrailGirl - 2015-02-12 10:22 AM ADM has likely TOTALLY underestimated the reach of the internet forums and social media. They tried to just brush this under the rug and figure only a few folks will ever really know what caused their horses to become sick or die. Think how many small individual folks bought this feed and may never know that this could be what killed their horse or made it sick. or...down the road when it's heart fails...will they even think of feed from way back as being a possibility? The MINUTE the first samples came back positive for Monesin contamination...ANY Monesin contamination...they should have Recalled those Lot numbers. Just to be safe and to do further tests. By being heartless greedy businessmen...and in choosing to deny and downplay any problem...in my mind they are RESPONSIBLE for any subsequent horse deaths or illness caused by their contaminated product. Mistakes happen...machines and people fail...but OWN IT. They will never see a dime of my money...or the money of anyone I know as I will be sure to point them to all of this information. ADM better have a lot of cattle feed customers...because they won't likely have very many horse owners purchasing their products once the word gets out about their lack of action and denials. They knew about my contamination on Jan 4. They knew the lot numbers on Jan 5 when they came to my home. Yet, as you stated they did nothing towards a recall.
This is what they are referring to when they say "negative at the detectable limits for the test". They consider anything less than 1ppm to be undetectable...Although this is a trace amount, it should not be disregarded. If a small amount is found a larger amount could be present. "Hot spots" happen....this might be the only amount and it might be the smallest amount.
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       Location: Texas | RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:52 AM SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call My feed store put me in touch with the sales rep. The paper tag said Triple Crown Senior (BY) and he said that would be Byhalia, MS which makes sense. Now I can take a breath.
My last TC came out of MS also. |
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RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:52 AM SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem.  When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call My feed store put me in touch with the sales rep. The paper tag said Triple Crown Senior (BY) and he said that would be Byhalia, MS which makes sense. Now I can take a breath. Â
My last TC came out of MS also. Â
Mine too..but I'm still returning it since I've already switched them over to Blue bonnet. |
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   Location: Sperry, OK | List of representative biological ionophores With the ion(s) they act upon:If your feed mill uses any of the above listed medications in their cattle feeds, and horse feed is run on the same mill, buyer be ware. The above list are all Ionophores and are toxic to horses. The ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). This is where the issues with BIG V feeds in coming into play. They don't use Rumensin, but THEY DO USE LASALOSID (Bovatec). |
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    Location: East Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-12 12:05 PM scamper - 2015-02-12 11:39 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:52 AM SG. - 2015-02-12 10:14 AM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? You have to call My feed store put me in touch with the sales rep. The paper tag said Triple Crown Senior (BY) and he said that would be Byhalia, MS which makes sense. Now I can take a breath. My last TC came out of MS also. Mine too..but I'm still returning it since I've already switched them over to Blue bonnet.
My husband called triple crown today and talked with them . They are sending a rep out to test my feed, along with what I have already got ready to send off. We are waiting on a call back now to see what mill my bag came from. They said 2 out of their 3 are safe. They also explained they guarantee their feeds. We shall see, I will post my results and the rest of the conversation when they call back. FYI: I have not fed that feed since what happened to my gelding on January 10 |
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      Location: Beggs, OK | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-02-12 2:28 PM List of representative biological ionophores
With the ion (s ) they act upon:
If your feed mill uses any of the above listed medications in their cattle feeds, and horse feed is run on the same mill, buyer be ware. The above list are all Ionophores and are toxic to horses. The ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). This is where the issues with BIG V feeds in coming into play. They don't use Rumensin, but THEY DO USE LASALOSID (Bovatec).
The jury is out on Lasalocid. I've found a study that says that extremely small amounts of Lasalocid have resulted in neurotoxicity.....The signs are strangely similar to the symptoms that we are seeing and assuming to be EPM. (We have treated 8 horses in the past two years for EPM) If you can't read from this link. The study was published in 2012 and involves 82 horses and ponies that were exposed to low levels of Monensin and Lasalocid. The title is -Acute and Long-Term Cardiomyopathy and Delayed Neurotoxicity after Accidental Lasalocid Poisoning in Horses.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-1676.2012.00933.x/pdf |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? I spoke with Stacey from TC and they were having consistency problems with the Meneola mill which I know is true as I had called numerous times about the feed I got there. They quit using that mill and switched to the Sequin Mill but the sprayers were having problems with the thickness of the added fat so Sequin had to be retrofitted with new sprayers. While that mill was down, they had to ship feed from other mills until the Sequin mill was back up and functioning. Sequin Mill (81) is ionophore free. Mill (43) has segregrated mixing areas..one for equine and one for cattle feed. I do know feed came all the way from Byhalia, MS to take care of Texas customers and that is also an ionophore free mill marked as BYH.
Triple Crown has been very good with communicating with their customers and their conerns and take all of this very seriously. I do not know of any problems with Triple Crown Feeds.
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-02-12 4:14 PM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? I spoke with Stacey from TC and they were having consistency problems with the Meneola mill which I know is true as I had called numerous times about the feed I got there. They quit using that mill and switched to the Sequin Mill but the sprayers were having problems with the thickness of the added fat so Sequin had to be retrofitted with new sprayers. While that mill was down, they had to ship feed from other mills until the Sequin mill was back up and functioning. Sequin Mill (81) is ionophore free. Mill (43) has segregrated mixing areas..one for equine and one for cattle feed. I do know feed came all the way from Byhalia, MS to take care of Texas customers and that is also an ionophore free mill marked as BYH.
Triple Crown has been very good with communicating with their customers and their conerns and take all of this very seriously. I do not know of any problems with Triple Crown Feeds.
The only problem I have with Triple Crown is that here in GA a lot of their products are made in a mill which does both, cattle and horse.
However, Southern States has been very pro active about trying to educate their customers which is a plus, compared to ADM which says basically - feed it and follow the sheep :) |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 3:19 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-12 4:14 PM RocketPilot - 2015-02-12 10:13 AM I have been feeding Triple Crown Senior for about six months and have been happy with it. We live within 50 miles of the Mineola mill that was closed. Now I am wondering if the Mineola mill closed because of the contamination problem. When the mill closed, my feed store began having problems keeping it in stock. They don't keep a lot in stock but I thought they told me it was now coming out of Giddings but maybe it was Sequin (I hope). After reading about all of this mess, I went out to see where my feed bags were milled but still cannot tell. Found the lot #, mfg date but where the heck is the location found? I spoke with Stacey from TC and they were having consistency problems with the Meneola mill which I know is true as I had called numerous times about the feed I got there. They quit using that mill and switched to the Sequin Mill but the sprayers were having problems with the thickness of the added fat so Sequin had to be retrofitted with new sprayers. While that mill was down, they had to ship feed from other mills until the Sequin mill was back up and functioning. Sequin Mill (81) is ionophore free. Mill (43) has segregrated mixing areas..one for equine and one for cattle feed. I do know feed came all the way from Byhalia, MS to take care of Texas customers and that is also an ionophore free mill marked as BYH.
Triple Crown has been very good with communicating with their customers and their conerns and take all of this very seriously. I do not know of any problems with Triple Crown Feeds. The only problem I have with Triple Crown is that here in GA a lot of their products are made in a mill which does both, cattle and horse.
However, Southern States has been very pro active about trying to educate their customers which is a plus, compared to ADM which says basically - feed it and follow the sheep :) I told Stacey that I will be checking my labels and there is no way I would feed their product that comes from mill 43 that does both. I don't care if they are across the street. The new American workers don't give a crap.
Does anyone know if the mills hire illegals or even legals that don't comprehend very well?
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