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Location: Where I am happiest | I am betting the family hasnt released anything so as to not damage a lawsuite against the feds. Just purely conjecture here. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Check this out!! BOOM!! http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/02/superior-court-judges-on-blm-occupation-in-oregon-the-british-crown-has-kidnapped-and-press-ganged-american-land-assets-in-criminal-conspiracy-contempt-of-our-constitution/ |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | This is on Lavoy's oldest son's fb along with a link to the news article he's referring to:
I believe this article gives more of a fair shake than what I have been seeing with mainstream media. There are just a couple points I'd like to clarify:
1) the last paragraph does not accurately represent my opinion. I feel that my father was thoughtful and prayerful about the occupation and he never wanted anyone to get hurt. IF he did make mistakes along the way then he is able to hold his head high in talking to God about that. We do not know the details and it is simply not our place to judge. I also can't help but notice similarities between his protest and the Boston Tea Party, with the exception that no property was destroyed at the refuge.
2. Regardless of what your opinion of the occupation was there is not enough evidence to support the decision to shoot my father. If the FBI is to be able to exonerate themselves, which I am convinced they are scrambling to do, they must release the bodycam and dashcam videos with untampered audio overlays as well as images of the truck. Without further evidence any viewer will confirm their own bias.3. I personally cannot see why my father would put his hands down only momentarily before raising them again if he were actually trying to withdraw a weapon. It looks like an involuntary response but these are things that only an autopsy report could confirm. So far reports have not been released.
I have not come across a single friend or acquaintance who has been anything but compassionate to me and that speaks volumes to everyone's character. I simply ask that people suspend their judgment until conclusive evidence is released. https://www.ksl.com/?sid=38359072
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | An autopsy will tell us how and why he died but a forensic report will tell us the angle and direction the bullets entered and exited the body. If he was shot while lying on the ground the angles will be way different than the angles when he was standing while being shot. Also the LE said he had a loaded 9mm in the inside coat pocket. What I find interesting is that no family of friends have said he had a 9mm. No other occupiers said he had a 9mm at the protest. He was interviewed the day b4 his death with a holster under his left arm. Somebody should have seen what kind of weapon that was. Also he was a cowboy to the heart. A 9mm just doesn't seem to fit his image. A 6 shooter pistol would seem more his speed. I can't wait to see results of the reports. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | http://www.patriotnetdaily.com/nazi-occupation-replaces-militia-occ... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 4-6 weeks, huh? That's incredible. So there were two autopsies? I'd like to know how reliable a second autopsy is, when one has already been done. I can see why the family wants to withhold the "private" autopsy until after the ME's results are released. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Although I'm really really trying to not become 'consumed' by this...I just can't not 'keep up' as more and more info and 'connect the dots' are played.
The 2 videos on this site (one is a radio interview...worth listening to...all of it/the other points out some extremely disturbing facts concerning the lack of uniforms/insignias by the leo's).
This is serious. There are still 4 people at the refuge. David Fry...a young man who loved Lavoy, said he was the 1st person in his life that ever treated him like a human (he's from Ohio).
Anyhow...I'm interested in hearing what those here, who are seeking the truth, honestly think. It is important.
I'm not interested in hearing from those who have already made up their minds and/or refuse to hear/watch any more. I'm not looking to argue!
https://www.intellihub.com/massive-number-heavily-armed-paramilitary-forces-operating-in-and-around-burns-oregon/
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Location: Where I am happiest | cyount2009 - 2016-02-08 10:25 AM Bear - 2016-02-08 8:04 AM His autopsy was last week. Does anyone know the results? It's very odd that I don't see anything about that. Also, is there any legal recourse for his shooting? Will there be any legal repercussions? This is a huge crisis in the western states. I haven't heard any of the presidential candidates say anything. That's very odd. He's dead and buried. Now what? According to this article it says the FBI will not release the results for another 4 to 6 weeks. It also said that the family is declining to release the results of their private autopsy. I find a little discrediting to the claims but someone on here said their lawyers may have urged them not to. This particular article also says the dash cams did not record the incident and that the FBI chose to use the "most clear video". Hmmmmm..... ETA the article... duh http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/post_6.html[/quot...
How convenient they say the dash cams didnt record the shooting. I thought the dash cams were on at all times? |
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Location: The edge of no where | Random - but it makes me happy that this thread is still making the front page. The reasons LaVoy were shot are important, the least we can do is not let his death be in vain. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | This has been so lost in the national news I hope someone here will share updates as they become available. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | All I want is the truth....the irrefutable TRUTH. I don't want heresay, rumor, or innuendo. I just want facts, not opinions or suspicions.
Once that's established, I want to see justice served. I'm just waiting, watching, and listening, and I hope most Americans are as well. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | This is interesting. From Sheriff David Clark. http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/02/03/a-rational-case-in-defense-of-ammon-bundy-and-the-oregon-occupation-sheriff-david-clarke/ |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Here is someone who has taken the BLM to task in a court of law and so far,,,has won. It's not over though. https://www.facebook.com/105477983124317/videos/230221527316628/?pnref=story |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I am curious and hopefully we can examine this and somebody knows more then I do about this. How is it OK for the "Fed's" to be harassing and searching the American Citizens of Burns in the mannor in which they are that have nothing to do with any of this? Marshal law has not been enacted but they act like it is. Isnt their behavior against the law? Also, the Sheriff there has failed in his duties and has allowed the feds to call all the shots. He is an appointed Sheriff not an elected one. Cant the people there do a recall vote? And same with the appointed Governor of Oregon ? According to reports, she is the one that has escalated this whole fiasco to the point it is. |
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Location: Florida.. | Bear - 2016-02-09 3:06 PM All I want is the truth....the irrefutable TRUTH. I don't want heresay, rumor, or innuendo. I just want facts, not opinions or suspicions. Once that's established, I want to see justice served. I'm just waiting, watching, and listening, and I hope most Americans are as well.
I feel the same. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Bear - 2016-02-09 1:06 PM All I want is the truth....the irrefutable TRUTH. I don't want heresay, rumor, or innuendo. I just want facts, not opinions or suspicions. Once that's established, I want to see justice served. I'm just waiting, watching, and listening, and I hope most Americans are as well.
Don't we all?!
A few 'truths':
1. Lavoy never threatened anyone.
2. The individuals being held in solitary confinement never threatened anyone.
3. The citizens of Burns, OR were/are in no danger from the patriots.
4. Citizens of the U.S.A. were/are in no danger from the patriots.
5. Sheriff Ward, Judge Grasty and Governor Brown failed in their sworn duty to protect the citizens of Burns. (Duty of states being a 'buffer' to protect the people from the federal overreach).
6.The death of Lavoy was not during a 'normal traffic stop'.
7. There was no 'shootout' (return fire).
8. The Constitution is not the virus...it's the cure!
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Location: Where I am happiest | I really want to know, what we can do now? We are all tired of this out of control over reaching rogue govt. How do we cut the head of the snake off? How do we stand up and say NO MORE?? How do we stop this? |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ThreeCorners - 2016-02-09 2:47 PM I really want to know, what we can do now? We are all tired of this out of control over reaching rogue govt. How do we cut the head of the snake off? How do we stand up and say NO MORE?? How do we stop this?
For today?!!! Here:
https://www.facebook.com/callmegav/videos/10154251278527580/?fref=nf Let's get our patriots OUT of solitary. -- Animals in a ZOO are given rights than these men are being given. Wherever you are, make the phones ring. Here's the numbers we have now. GO!
CALL NUMBERS.
- Multnomah Sheriff Admin office: 503-988-4300 - Opt 0
- OSP NW HQ: 1-503-378-3387 - Opt 0
- Portland FBI: 503 224 4181 - Opt 0
- Multnomah Sheriff - Detention: 1-503-988-3689 - Opt 0
- Multnomah Sheriff - PIO pager: 1-503-271-0226
- Multnomah County Jail: 1-503-243-7600
US Marshall's Oregon: 503-326-2209
- US District Court - Portland: 1-503-326-8000
Here's who is in jail now. We will update the numbers and the names as needed.
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Location: Where I am happiest | I hope you all take the time to listen to what Sheriff David Clark has to say on this issue. https://soundcloud.com/peoplessheriff/the-siege-in-burns-oregon-the-peoples-sheriff-010916 |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Dang...this is interesting and teilling...note the date.
http://cowstates.com/2016/01/cows-01-26-16-oregon/
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