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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 2:03 PM
HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 2:00 PM Why would a move to somewhere like Orlando lead to a loss of pro rodeo "as we know it"? I suppose to someone who lives out west or even midwest, maybe that's true, but I don't see rodeo itself changing...unless we are talking about a change for the better.
FOCUS, MAN, FOCUS........WE ARE HEADED FOR VEGAS....NO TIME FOR MICKEY!!!!
YES Scott focus, I am offering triple the money and ill drive y'alls butts around now can I come ??????  |
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Location: ND | Murphy - 2013-12-18 2:20 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 3:17 PM Murphy - 2013-12-18 2:16 PM I'd be more inclined to go to Florida in December... I'm a tropical person. well....then so much for your vegas trip missy
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | You know I might seriously consider this road trip.....but Minot? I'd rather drink broken glass. I would have to be drunk. |
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Location: ND | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 2:39 PM You know I might seriously consider this road trip.....but Minot? I'd rather drink broken glass. I would have to be drunk.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 2:43 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 2:39 PM You know I might seriously consider this road trip.....but Minot? I'd rather drink broken glass. I would have to be drunk. Minot is great....
They have a nice zoo. |
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Location: ND | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 2:45 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 2:43 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 2:39 PM You know I might seriously consider this road trip.....but Minot? I'd rather drink broken glass. I would have to be drunk. Minot is great....
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 2:49 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 2:45 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 2:43 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-18 2:39 PM You know I might seriously consider this road trip.....but Minot? I'd rather drink broken glass. I would have to be drunk. Minot is great....
Come to think of it, I think you may be right. |
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| I do not understand why barrel racers don't look at the big picture....If PRCA has the NFR in Florida, Vegas will have it's own finals too. This is EXACTLY what the barrel racers should be wanting and being very vocal PUSHING FOR IT. If you had two places trying to get the top barrel racers they are going to put up the $$ to get them there and will be competing against each other by offering more money to the CONTESTANTS in order to make sure the best come to their city.
If you try to BLUFF Vegas now with another offer and Vegas comes back with a $2M increase you have NOT "won". Heck you haven't even "won" even if they match the Florida money. Vegas will still have the monopoly and know it and will only give bare minimum years to come, and will know that you are trying to bluff them the next time and will do the same thing by offering a little more then they first offered when you reject them in 10 yrs.
I would take advantage of the situation now since we actually have someone seriously wanting us, and ENSURE that Florida is locked in for 10 years, and then the two will be competing for the best competitors by continuously adding more money when the contracts expire.
To sum if up.....how will BARREL RACERS GET PAID THE MOST.....STRONGLY SUPPORT the FLORIDA decision and get them locked in for at least another 10 years. I would also hurry up and do it before they back out.
The only way to get the most $$ for your product is to have an ONGOING competitor.....you want Florida AND Vegas to both have events for years so they will be ongoing competitors and pay the barrel racers as much as they can, rather than bare minimum since there is no ongoing competitor. |
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Location: ND | i am a little isolated because this is the only place i really follow a little but was just seeing some other places and the overwhelming amount of people who are stating very strongly that they are going to continue going to vegas or will not go to florida |
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 4:41 PM i am a little isolated because this is the only place i really follow a little but was just seeing some other places and the overwhelming amount of people who are stating very strongly that they are going to continue going to vegas or will not go to florida
I've got several professional colleagues that go every year. They don't know any of the contestants, don't know who won and don't go to any other rodeos throughout the year. |
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Location: Texas! | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:17 AM TXBO - 2013-12-17 11:08 AM BigSkyDream - 2013-12-17 11:05 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:49 AM Two observations. 1. If they are going to have to "spend alot of money" then why aren't they willing to spend what it takes to keep the NFR? 2. This guy really looks like he into the "rodeo/cowboy" lifestyle....soparanoes probably more his cup of tea. That actually was my thought. (#1 ) He's not trying to compete for the best cowboys. He's trying to retain the fans. Two thoughts here. Again, if they are going to spend more money why not have the best in the sport still. And I want someone to answer this question. Names in rodeo aren't house hold names per say, but that still doesn't mean they are not figured into the equation of drawing spectators to the NFR. I want somebody on here to tell me they honestly think you could move the UPRA finals to Vegas in the time slot the NFR occupied, even offering the same prize money, but just the top 15 currenty in the UPRA and still sell out the THOMAS and MACK for 10 nights in a row. I just can't buy that!
This has been my exact arguement, but of course everyone is just blah blah blah Vegas will have a huge event and they will show up if the money is there. I'm sorry, call me old fashioned but I still think that gold buckle and title MEANS something to these competitors in the Top 15. |
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Location: Texas! | jojammer - 2013-12-17 2:56 PM Contestants go to Vegas because it's the NFR, not vice versa. Now if these contestants work all year, then at the end trying to make the finals spend most of what they made to get there, they do need to run at more $. If Vegas rakes in all that $ and won't pay more, then I think PRCA should move. How very selfish of the fans to wish the contestants to run at less money so they can go to the finals where they want. If you wanna go to Vegas, just go. I think FL will be better, bigger. I personally would love to see it come back to OKC because it's in the middle of the country, but I really don't care where it is as long as it's good for PRCA contestants.
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Location: Florida.. | Alot of the contestants do it because its their passion.. their heart , their drive to get there..the Love of what they are doing.. and the satisfaction they Made it ...
. not like the nfl where They will get there millions whether they win or lose the games..
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Yeah, the contestants go to Vegas because of the NFR being there. There are fans who go to Vegas because that's where the NFR is also, but there's a huge segment who go to Vegas because it's Vegas. I know people who had never been to a rodeo on their lives and happened to win tickets or get them cheap or whatever and that's what hooks them. So now there's a rodeo in town that they see when they go to Vegas, but that's not why they go. And those are the people who go see the PBR when it's in town, or go see the Rebels do whatever they're doing, or see Endurocross or go watch UFC. Those fans, the ones that enjoy the rodeo and get to play dress up for a few nights and love to just hang out with fans like them, those people aren't going to go anywhere else but Vegas for that experience.
Now I have no idea how much of the NFR fan base is made of people like these, but if there's more than just a few, this move isn't going to work out in favor of anyone. Then were does the money come from for the contestants? From sponsors that aren't seeing the support they used to see? Is Cowboy Christmas moving? Or will some of the vendors go and some stay at whatever they come up with in Vegas? These could all be moot points (or moo points...) if LVE ends up coming back with another offer, but if not, it's food for thought. |
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Location: Colorado | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 12:01 PM TXBO - 2013-12-18 11:56 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:34 AM The NFR is our yearly mother and daughter trip and if it moves out of Vegas we won't be going but I'm sure they won't miss us.
well.....i'm gonna make scott go with me in 2015 to vegas and we will hijack DD and TXBO and make our own hangover movie while we give some management advice....
I would like to order two copies of the DVD now and will pay extra if you get clips of the comish when all those chips go away. Please!
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Location: OK | Cowgirl Up!_1 - 2013-12-18 6:36 PM
Yeah, the contestants go to Vegas because of the NFR being there. There are fans who go to Vegas because that's where the NFR is also, but there's a huge segment who go to Vegas because it's Vegas. I know people who had never been to a rodeo on their lives and happened to win tickets or get them cheap or whatever and that's what hooks them. So now there's a rodeo in town that they see when they go to Vegas, but that's not why they go. And those are the people who go see the PBR when it's in town, or go see the Rebels do whatever they're doing, or see Endurocross or go watch UFC. Those fans, the ones that enjoy the rodeo and get to play dress up for a few nights and love to just hang out with fans like them, those people aren't going to go anywhere else but Vegas for that experience.
Now I have no idea how much of the NFR fan base is made of people like these, but if there's more than just a few, this move isn't going to work out in favor of anyone. Then were does the money come from for the contestants? From sponsors that aren't seeing the support they used to see? Is Cowboy Christmas moving? Or will some of the vendors go and some stay at whatever they come up with in Vegas? These could all be moot points (or moo points... ) if LVE ends up coming back with another offer, but if not, it's food for thought.
Any fans like that who are lost from the move from Vegas will be replaced by the same type of fans who will come to FL. Everybody keeps saying "oh, now it will be such a far drive, so no fans will go", but good grief, there are many many people east of Vegas....
This is how it looks to me from what I've read.
Vegas says, nah, we can't build an arena to hold any more people, thereby capping the amount of money to be made off seats. Sorry.
Florida says, Hey PRCA, we wanna put on the NFR, so we'll give you that arena, and we'll add some $.
PRCA says, well shoot, I'll think about it.
Vegas says, Hey, hey world, guess what? PRCA dumped us! Suckers! Nevermind we won't budge on our offer. But hey y'all, get mad at PRCA and come to the "finals" we are gonna have. It'll be better. Vegas is the only place with fans, and fun, and food, and blabla. Nevermind some of you have never been to Fl, so you don't even know, but it's nothing but Mickey Mouse. It's just gonna suck. And btw, who cares about all the fans on the other half of the country, but the fans right around us are mad. We really didn't see this coming, prca is making a mistake, but we HAVE been thinking about how we're gonna replace the NFR. Just last minute though, really.
My prediction: PRCA says, well, we're goin to FL, and guess what? ...... the NFR and the PRCA do live on, in spite of losing Vegas, and the seats...... fill with ...... fans.
And they all lived happily everafter :)
I'm sorry, but Vegas didn't make the PRCA, and they won't break them either. |
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Location: OK | How in the world is Vegas going to put on a bigger better event than the NFR, when the NFR will have more seats, better arena, more $ in the round, but Vegas won't spend any more $ ? That makes no sense. |
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| ld3 - 2013-12-18 3:14 PM
I do not understand why barrel racers don't look at the big picture....If PRCA has the NFR in Florida, Vegas will have it's own finals too. This is EXACTLY what the barrel racers should be wanting and being very vocal PUSHING FOR IT. If you had two places trying to get the top barrel racers they are going to put up the $$ to get them there and will be competing against each other by offering more money to the CONTESTANTS in order to make sure the best come to their city.
If you try to BLUFF Vegas now with another offer and Vegas comes back with a $2M increase you have NOT "won". Heck you haven't even "won" even if they match the Florida money. Vegas will still have the monopoly and know it and will only give bare minimum years to come, and will know that you are trying to bluff them the next time and will do the same thing by offering a little more then they first offered when you reject them in 10 yrs.
I would take advantage of the situation now since we actually have someone seriously wanting us, and ENSURE that Florida is locked in for 10 years, and then the two will be competing for the best competitors by continuously adding more money when the contracts expire.
To sum if up.....how will BARREL RACERS GET PAID THE MOST.....STRONGLY SUPPORT the FLORIDA decision and get them locked in for at least another 10 years. I would also hurry up and do it before they back out.
The only way to get the most $$ for your product is to have an ONGOING competitor.....you want Florida AND Vegas to both have events for years so they will be ongoing competitors and pay the barrel racers as much as they can, rather than bare minimum since there is no ongoing competitor.
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