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| 3canstorun - 2015-02-12 3:31 PM
By law they are not supposed to hire illegals. But who knows.
Yeaaah, right. We are starting a construction job in South Texas and you would not believe how many concrete crews want my brother to hire them that are illegals. By that I mean, no green card, no legal papers at all for ANYBODY in the crew, including the guy who owns the business. We won't use them but the big construction companies do. And let me tell you, they get REAL p@&$y when you tell them no. They know they work cheaper and expect you to hire them. So, yeah, I would bet the mills have people who are illegal or can't speak/understand English. |
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           Location: Florida.. | Sorry if this has been posted already.....Southern States.. Triple Crown http://youtu.be/6EZ1Q5NRPjU |
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| If a horse has been exposed to rumensin what is the chance they have heart damage? What are the symptoms of exposure? A rep. from Hubbard is coming to pick up a sample of my feed for testing. Talked to him on the phone today and he said it is "highly unlikely but can't say with 100% certainty that the feed was not contaminated" My feed was made in a plant that also makes feeds with rumensin. |
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   Location: Kansas | One of my mares has a heart murmur. Wondering now if it has anything to do with feed :( I don't think this has been asked already, but sorry if it has.... I know a lot of people will feed Calf Manna to put weight on a horse... I wonder if it has monensin added in. |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-12 6:07 PM
One of my mares has a heart murmur. Wondering now if it has anything to do with feed :( I don't think this has been asked already, but sorry if it has.... I know a lot of people will feed Calf Manna to put weight on a horse... I wonder if it has monensin added in.
Calf Manna is made by Manna Pro, who also makes Max E Glo rice bran. I contacted them and was told they are an ionophore free mill. |
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  Location: Texas | I was feeding TC and the feed store owner went to Mineola to pick up the last feed bags I bought. I found cattle range cubes in several of the bags which obviously they produce cattle feed at that mill. Thankfully I only fed TC for 3 months. During that time period I had a horse colic and 2 that have strangle like symptoms. My horses aren't the "colicky" or "sick" type. I have since switched to Bluebonnet and am pleased so far. I can't verify that the TC had any connection with the issues my horses are experiencing. However, I find it coincidental that when I switched to TC I started having symptoms I hadn’t experienced previously. Very frustrating! |
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    Location: TN | If anyone is thinking about going with Renew Gold I highly recommend speaking with winwillows.....very knowledgable man!!! |
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           Location: Florida.. | Wallace eventing has dropped their sponsors .ADM.. |
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                      Location: Here | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-02-12 2:28 PM List of representative biological ionophores
With the ion (s ) they act upon:
If your feed mill uses any of the above listed medications in their cattle feeds, and horse feed is run on the same mill, buyer be ware. The above list are all Ionophores and are toxic to horses. The ionophore monensin (Rumensin) is about ten times more toxic to a horse than lasalosid (Bovatec). This is where the issues with BIG V feeds in coming into play. They don't use Rumensin, but THEY DO USE LASALOSID (Bovatec).
Thank you!! I returned mine today and switched to bluebonnet |
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                      Location: Here | MrsHound - 2015-02-12 5:29 PM If a horse has been exposed to rumensin what is the chance they have heart damage? What are the symptoms of exposure? A rep. from Hubbard is coming to pick up a sample of my feed for testing. Talked to him on the phone today and he said it is "highly unlikely but can't say with 100% certainty that the feed was not contaminated" My feed was made in a plant that also makes feeds with rumensin.
Please do you own independent testing. as 3cans has proven you can't trust big corp testing |
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          Location: Riding Crackhead. | I've been feeding Nutrena SC Sr to my gelding. He's had diarrhea, not eating well and acting sluggish...more than normal. Someone on Facebook posted a picture of their feed that didn't look consistant. Mine looked very similar to it so I dug through the garbage and found the bag with the lot number. I'm going to try and copy and paste the FB conversation. I'm still waiting for a reply. I feel like they are brushing me off and I will be sending my feed in to an independant lab in Brookings, SD. So it won't let me paste it but first they said it was a monensin free facility. I asked if there was any medicated feed run through there at all and they said - none that would make a horse sick. I then asked exactly what ionophores were run through there. I just heard back and they said they would check with the plant manager in the morning. I'm sick to my stomach, on the verge of tears, and starting to get really ****ed. |
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                      Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-12 7:54 PM I've been feeding Nutrena SC Sr to my gelding. He's had diarrhea, not eating well and acting sluggish...more than normal. Someone on Facebook posted a picture of their feed that didn't look consistant. Mine looked very similar to it so I dug through the garbage and found the bag with the lot number. I'm going to try and copy and paste the FB conversation. I'm still waiting for a reply. I feel like they are brushing me off and I will be sending my feed in to an independant lab in Brookings, SD.
So it won't let me paste it but first they said it was a monensin free facility. I asked if there was any medicated feed run through there at all and they said - none that would make a horse sick. I then asked exactly what ionophores were run through there. I just heard back and they said they would check with the plant manager in the morning. I'm sick to my stomach, on the verge of tears, and starting to get really ****ed.
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| SG. - 2015-02-12 6:38 PM MrsHound - 2015-02-12 5:29 PM If a horse has been exposed to rumensin what is the chance they have heart damage? What are the symptoms of exposure? A rep. from Hubbard is coming to pick up a sample of my feed for testing. Talked to him on the phone today and he said it is "highly unlikely but can't say with 100% certainty that the feed was not contaminated" My feed was made in a plant that also makes feeds with rumensin. Please do you own independent testing. as 3cans has proven you can't trust big corp testing
Taking a sample to my vet tomorrow and she is sending it in to get tested...praying it is negative |
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       Location: your guess is as good as mine | Nutrena's mill in Kansas City is ionophore free.
Hello KD, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin.
[Rest of e-mail is the same canned "FDA Good Practices-HACCP" yadda-yadda-yadda response]
Thanks, Jolene M. Wright, M.S. Cargill Feed & Nutrition |
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          Location: Riding Crackhead. | ghost rider - 2015-02-12 9:08 PM Nutrena's mill in Kansas City is ionophore free.
Hello KD,
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our Kansas City mill and many of our mills in the southern states that make horse feed do not have rumensin/monensin.
[Rest of e-mail is the same canned "FDA Good Practices-HACCP" yadda-yadda-yadda response]
Thanks,
Jolene M. Wright, M.S.
Cargill Feed & Nutrition
Nutrena first told me that the New Richland, MN plant was monesin free but when I questioned if ANY medicated feed was run through there they started to backtrack and now I learned that there is medicated feed through the facility. I'm waiting to find out exactly what it is. |
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          Location: Riding Crackhead. | I read through the list of medicated mills across the country and yes the Kansas City Nutrena plant IS making medicated feeds. |
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                      Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-12 9:54 PM I read through the list of medicated mills across the country and yes the Kansas City Nutrena plant IS making medicated feeds.
what is even scarer is that medicated "liquid" mills, dont have to be liste or licensed |
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          Location: Riding Crackhead. | There's a link on this site that gives the list of medicated feed facilities. If Nutrena is telling you the KC facility is monesin free then they're using a different ionophore because yes they are a medicated facilty .http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/Products/AnimalFoodFeeds/MedicatedFeed/ucm2007993.htm
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| Those that have had horses get sick and feed test positive, what are your plans for your horse? Retirement? Perfomance? Breeding? If my test results come back positive I will get mine checked out, are there any tests to be sure there is no heart damage? One is my good finished horse and one is my broodmare My broodmare didn't have as violent a reaction as my barrel horse did, she would stretch down as low as she could in the front everytime I went out to feed (not normal behavior). My barrel horse acted colicy, it was strange because she wasnt dehydrated, she was eating, she was passing stool, had good gut sounds but she would run over and drop and roll every few minutes...Stretch out like she need to pee, was sweating and rapidly breathing. Within an hour of this episode she was fine, had settled down and was resting. This episode happened about one to two hours after her morning grain. |
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           Location: Florida.. | We also held our breath as we went through a round of echocardiograms on Friday and received the news that one of the four horses has measurable cardiac abnormalities consistent with monensin exposure. He was discharged with instructions for complete rest until we can determine that he has returned to normal cardiac function. Still other horses are being cleared to proceed with exercise ECG’s to determine the functionality of the heart during increased activity. It is exhausting to experience a measure of relief and devastation in the same day and we are only getting started. We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the horses are monitored and the best diagnostic procedures are available to them.” After pulling blood samples and sending them to the University of Florida for testing, Andrew and his team were relieved to find, on January 31, that their horses were on the road to picking back up with full work. Royal Palm Farm continues to monitor and test their horses so as to keep abreast of any changes that may signify further trouble. |
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