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| jojammer - 2013-12-18 8:35 PM
How in the world is Vegas going to put on a bigger better event than the NFR, when the NFR will have more seats, better arena, more $ in the round, but Vegas won't spend any more $ ? That makes no sense.
And they will be missing the top cowboys and cowgirls if they put it on at the same time | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. | |
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| musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM
Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees.
LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million.
And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also. | |
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Location: Colorado | Any fans like that who are lost from the move from Vegas will be replaced by the same type of fans who will come to FL. Everybody keeps saying "oh, now it will be such a far drive, so no fans will go", but good grief, there are many many people east of Vegas.... This is how it looks to me from what I've read. Vegas says, nah, we can't build an arena to hold any more people, thereby capping the amount of money to be made off seats. Sorry. Florida says, Hey PRCA, we wanna put on the NFR, so we'll give you that arena, and we'll add some $. PRCA says, well shoot, I'll think about it. Vegas says, Hey, hey world, guess what? PRCA dumped us! Suckers! Nevermind we won't budge on our offer. But hey y'all, get mad at PRCA and come to the "finals" we are gonna have. It'll be better. Vegas is the only place with fans, and fun, and food, and blabla. Nevermind some of you have never been to Fl, so you don't even know, but it's nothing but Mickey Mouse. It's just gonna suck. And btw, who cares about all the fans on the other half of the country, but the fans right around us are mad. We really didn't see this coming, prca is making a mistake, but we HAVE been thinking about how we're gonna replace the NFR. Just last minute though, really. My prediction: PRCA says, well, we're goin to FL, and guess what? ...... the NFR and the PRCA do live on, in spite of losing Vegas, and the seats...... fill with ...... fans. And they all lived happily everafter :) I'm sorry, but Vegas didn't make the PRCA, and they won't break them either.
Kissimmee Rodeo payout dropped over $10,000 from the late 80's to the mid 90's. Due to LOW attendance.
The MGM IS building a new arena. Scheduled to be finished by NFR time 2016
Do you have any idea how close to bankruptcy the PRCA was at the time of the move to Vegas??
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 8:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
I love rodeo myself, but, I see where it would be a tough sell to get it up there with the rest of the sports...the contestants kinda like having the choice of picking what rodeos they want to enter, if any, how hard they want to go. The independence allows them choices...it's the cowboy way.
They need to stop thinking of rodeo as a 'sport' (as far as the marketing & the fans) and market it as the 'show' that it is. One that is unique from all others...one that highlights the necessity & beauty of man working with nature...at it's finest. The sportmanship, the love & athletic ability that provides a glimpse into the everyday life of the western lifestyle....one that can only be found in one area of the world. It's the stuff that movies are made of! Lol...Orlando just doesn't cut it.
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yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 8:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
I love rodeo myself, but, I see where it would be a tough sell to get it up there with the rest of the sports...the contestants kinda like having the choice of picking what rodeos they want to enter, if any, how hard they want to go. The independence allows them choices...it's the cowboy way.
They need to stop thinking of rodeo as a 'sport' (as far as the marketing & the fans) and market it as the 'show' that it is. One that is unique from all others...one that highlights the necessity & beauty of man working with nature...at it's finest. The sportmanship, the love & athletic ability that provides a glimpse into the everyday life of the western lifestyle....one that can only be found in one area of the world. It's the stuff that movies are made of! Lol...Orlando just doesn't cut it.
There is no way you or anyone else can know if Orlando "cuts it" till they have hosted for a few years! | |
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Location: ND | jojammer - 2013-12-18 8:35 PM How in the world is Vegas going to put on a bigger better event than the NFR, when the NFR will have more seats, better arena, more $ in the round, but Vegas won't spend any more $ ? That makes no sense.
do you guys really think that 6 thousand more seats is really that big of a deal here in the big picture of things......??? | |
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Location: ND | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 8:48 PM jojammer - 2013-12-18 8:35 PM How in the world is Vegas going to put on a bigger better event than the NFR, when the NFR will have more seats, better arena, more $ in the round, but Vegas won't spend any more $ ? That makes no sense. And they will be missing the top cowboys and cowgirls if they put it on at the same time
well, i'd bet 16-30 would love to be able to run at more money than they could make at the NFR....and without the PRCA they will be able to do more things and have more money to run at......likely enough that 15 places might get paid every night......then you're gonna have some ****ed off top 15'ers because for some of them it's not just about a gold buckle....it's about a BIG paycheck... | |
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Location: ND | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 9:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
90 million is what is generated that week....the NFR isn't the only game in town that week....i would like to see what an estimated breakdown of spending is by wstr fans versus nfr fans..........and orlando is not as cheap so not as much is going to be spread around to different business......if i'm paying more for a room....more for meals....more for transport....more for 'kid' activities....how much do you think is left to spend on vendors?????
aand i really think that vegas is going to see a drop but not a big drop and over 2-3 years will have as big an influx of rodeo fans as they had before or bigger......
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Location: ND | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 9:28 PM Any fans like that who are lost from the move from Vegas will be replaced by the same type of fans who will come to FL. Everybody keeps saying "oh, now it will be such a far drive, so no fans will go", but good grief, there are many many people east of Vegas.... This is how it looks to me from what I've read. Vegas says, nah, we can't build an arena to hold any more people, thereby capping the amount of money to be made off seats. Sorry. Florida says, Hey PRCA, we wanna put on the NFR, so we'll give you that arena, and we'll add some $. PRCA says, well shoot, I'll think about it. Vegas says, Hey, hey world, guess what? PRCA dumped us! Suckers! Nevermind we won't budge on our offer. But hey y'all, get mad at PRCA and come to the "finals" we are gonna have. It'll be better. Vegas is the only place with fans, and fun, and food, and blabla. Nevermind some of you have never been to Fl, so you don't even know, but it's nothing but Mickey Mouse. It's just gonna suck. And btw, who cares about all the fans on the other half of the country, but the fans right around us are mad. We really didn't see this coming, prca is making a mistake, but we HAVE been thinking about how we're gonna replace the NFR. Just last minute though, really. My prediction: PRCA says, well, we're goin to FL, and guess what? ...... the NFR and the PRCA do live on, in spite of losing Vegas, and the seats...... fill with ...... fans. And they all lived happily everafter :) I'm sorry, but Vegas didn't make the PRCA, and they won't break them either. Kissimmee Rodeo payout dropped over $10,000 from the late 80's to the mid 90's. Due to LOW attendance.
The MGM IS building a new arena. Scheduled to be finished by NFR time 2016
Do you have any idea how close to bankruptcy the PRCA was at the time of the move to Vegas??
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see guys....the arena really wan't an issue.....and PRCA knew that.... | |
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Location: ND | musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:39 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 8:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
I love rodeo myself, but, I see where it would be a tough sell to get it up there with the rest of the sports...the contestants kinda like having the choice of picking what rodeos they want to enter, if any, how hard they want to go. The independence allows them choices...it's the cowboy way.
They need to stop thinking of rodeo as a 'sport' (as far as the marketing & the fans) and market it as the 'show' that it is. One that is unique from all others...one that highlights the necessity & beauty of man working with nature...at it's finest. The sportmanship, the love & athletic ability that provides a glimpse into the everyday life of the western lifestyle....one that can only be found in one area of the world. It's the stuff that movies are made of! Lol...Orlando just doesn't cut it.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 9:13 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 9:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
aand i really think that vegas is going to see a drop but not a big drop and over 2-3 years will have as big an influx of rodeo fans as they had before or bigger......
which in the end is great for rodeo and the professional athletes....might not be so good for PRCA though
Someone said that it brought 60,000 people to town...divide that by the $90 Mil and you've got about $1,500 that they spend apiece. I have no clue if those numbers are accurate, just using what's been thrown out there. | |
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Location: Colorado | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 10:14 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 9:28 PM Any fans like that who are lost from the move from Vegas will be replaced by the same type of fans who will come to FL. Everybody keeps saying "oh, now it will be such a far drive, so no fans will go", but good grief, there are many many people east of Vegas.... This is how it looks to me from what I've read. Vegas says, nah, we can't build an arena to hold any more people, thereby capping the amount of money to be made off seats. Sorry. Florida says, Hey PRCA, we wanna put on the NFR, so we'll give you that arena, and we'll add some $. PRCA says, well shoot, I'll think about it. Vegas says, Hey, hey world, guess what? PRCA dumped us! Suckers! Nevermind we won't budge on our offer. But hey y'all, get mad at PRCA and come to the "finals" we are gonna have. It'll be better. Vegas is the only place with fans, and fun, and food, and blabla. Nevermind some of you have never been to Fl, so you don't even know, but it's nothing but Mickey Mouse. It's just gonna suck. And btw, who cares about all the fans on the other half of the country, but the fans right around us are mad. We really didn't see this coming, prca is making a mistake, but we HAVE been thinking about how we're gonna replace the NFR. Just last minute though, really. My prediction: PRCA says, well, we're goin to FL, and guess what? ...... the NFR and the PRCA do live on, in spite of losing Vegas, and the seats...... fill with ...... fans. And they all lived happily everafter :) I'm sorry, but Vegas didn't make the PRCA, and they won't break them either. Kissimmee Rodeo payout dropped over $10,000 from the late 80's to the mid 90's. Due to LOW attendance.
The MGM IS building a new arena. Scheduled to be finished by NFR time 2016
Do you have any idea how close to bankruptcy the PRCA was at the time of the move to Vegas??
karen
Yeah and it seems that some members of LVE are calling for the Comish to step down. Would like to be a fly on the wall at HQ.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 8:52 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:39 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 8:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
I love rodeo myself, but, I see where it would be a tough sell to get it up there with the rest of the sports...the contestants kinda like having the choice of picking what rodeos they want to enter, if any, how hard they want to go. The independence allows them choices...it's the cowboy way.
They need to stop thinking of rodeo as a 'sport' (as far as the marketing & the fans) and market it as the 'show' that it is. One that is unique from all others...one that highlights the necessity & beauty of man working with nature...at it's finest. The sportmanship, the love & athletic ability that provides a glimpse into the everyday life of the western lifestyle....one that can only be found in one area of the world. It's the stuff that movies are made of! Lol...Orlando just doesn't cut it. There is no way you or anyone else can know if Orlando "cuts it" till they have hosted for a few years!
I'm sure you're right...maybe they'll even start making westerns in Florida!
Not trying to be sarcastic...just pointing out that 'cowboy' is 'rodeo' to the majority of the world & I deal with people every day who come 'out west' to see it. I hope that whatever happens it's good for all! | |
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Location: ND | musikmaker - 2013-12-18 10:18 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 9:13 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 9:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
aand i really think that vegas is going to see a drop but not a big drop and over 2-3 years will have as big an influx of rodeo fans as they had before or bigger......
which in the end is great for rodeo and the professional athletes....might not be so good for PRCA though
i'm thinking those numbers are inclusive of everything that happens in Las Vegas over that time....unless those are the estimations for just the NFR??? although i'm sure it would be hard to teasee out because there is certainly some crossover.... | |
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Location: ND | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 10:19 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 10:14 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 9:28 PM Any fans like that who are lost from the move from Vegas will be replaced by the same type of fans who will come to FL. Everybody keeps saying "oh, now it will be such a far drive, so no fans will go", but good grief, there are many many people east of Vegas.... This is how it looks to me from what I've read. Vegas says, nah, we can't build an arena to hold any more people, thereby capping the amount of money to be made off seats. Sorry. Florida says, Hey PRCA, we wanna put on the NFR, so we'll give you that arena, and we'll add some $. PRCA says, well shoot, I'll think about it. Vegas says, Hey, hey world, guess what? PRCA dumped us! Suckers! Nevermind we won't budge on our offer. But hey y'all, get mad at PRCA and come to the "finals" we are gonna have. It'll be better. Vegas is the only place with fans, and fun, and food, and blabla. Nevermind some of you have never been to Fl, so you don't even know, but it's nothing but Mickey Mouse. It's just gonna suck. And btw, who cares about all the fans on the other half of the country, but the fans right around us are mad. We really didn't see this coming, prca is making a mistake, but we HAVE been thinking about how we're gonna replace the NFR. Just last minute though, really. My prediction: PRCA says, well, we're goin to FL, and guess what? ...... the NFR and the PRCA do live on, in spite of losing Vegas, and the seats...... fill with ...... fans. And they all lived happily everafter :) I'm sorry, but Vegas didn't make the PRCA, and they won't break them either. Kissimmee Rodeo payout dropped over $10,000 from the late 80's to the mid 90's. Due to LOW attendance.
The MGM IS building a new arena. Scheduled to be finished by NFR time 2016
Do you have any idea how close to bankruptcy the PRCA was at the time of the move to Vegas??
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Location: ND | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 9:52 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:39 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-18 8:19 PM musikmaker - 2013-12-18 9:11 PM Just to point out that the $90 million or whatever is what the NFR adds to the tax base in Vegas...it's NOT what LVE makes off of it.
One other point...the contestants do not pay for their rooms while there...or entry fees. LVE is non profit. 90 million is what is added to the local economy, then you would have applicable sales tax on that 90 million. And I'm sure hotels in Orlando will gladly comp the contestants rooms and I would be positive someone will cover their entry fees there also.
I love rodeo myself, but, I see where it would be a tough sell to get it up there with the rest of the sports...the contestants kinda like having the choice of picking what rodeos they want to enter, if any, how hard they want to go. The independence allows them choices...it's the cowboy way.
They need to stop thinking of rodeo as a 'sport' (as far as the marketing & the fans) and market it as the 'show' that it is. One that is unique from all others...one that highlights the necessity & beauty of man working with nature...at it's finest. The sportmanship, the love & athletic ability that provides a glimpse into the everyday life of the western lifestyle....one that can only be found in one area of the world. It's the stuff that movies are made of! Lol...Orlando just doesn't cut it. There is no way you or anyone else can know if Orlando "cuts it" till they have hosted for a few years!
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Yeah, the contestants go to Vegas because of the NFR being there. There are fans who go to Vegas because that's where the NFR is also, but there's a huge segment who go to Vegas because it's Vegas. I know people who had never been to a rodeo on their lives and happened to win tickets or get them cheap or whatever and that's what hooks them. So now there's a rodeo in town that they see when they go to Vegas, but that's not why they go. And those are the people who go see the PBR when it's in town, or go see the Rebels do whatever they're doing, or see Endurocross or go watch UFC. Those fans, the ones that enjoy the rodeo and get to play dress up for a few nights and love to just hang out with fans like them, those people aren't going to go anywhere else but Vegas for that experience.
Now I have no idea how much of the NFR fan base is made of people like these, but if there's more than just a few, this move isn't going to work out in favor of anyone. Then were does the money come from for the contestants? From sponsors that aren't seeing the support they used to see? Is Cowboy Christmas moving? Or will some of the vendors go and some stay at whatever they come up with in Vegas? These could all be moot points (or moo points... ) if LVE ends up coming back with another offer, but if not, it's food for thought.
Any fans like that who are lost from the move from Vegas will be replaced by the same type of fans who will come to FL. Everybody keeps saying "oh, now it will be such a far drive, so no fans will go", but good grief, there are many many people east of Vegas....
This is how it looks to me from what I've read.
Vegas says, nah, we can't build an arena to hold any more people, thereby capping the amount of money to be made off seats. Sorry.
Florida says, Hey PRCA, we wanna put on the NFR, so we'll give you that arena, and we'll add some $.
PRCA says, well shoot, I'll think about it.
Vegas says, Hey, hey world, guess what? PRCA dumped us! Suckers! Nevermind we won't budge on our offer. But hey y'all, get mad at PRCA and come to the "finals" we are gonna have. It'll be better. Vegas is the only place with fans, and fun, and food, and blabla. Nevermind some of you have never been to Fl, so you don't even know, but it's nothing but Mickey Mouse. It's just gonna suck. And btw, who cares about all the fans on the other half of the country, but the fans right around us are mad. We really didn't see this coming, prca is making a mistake, but we HAVE been thinking about how we're gonna replace the NFR. Just last minute though, really.
My prediction: PRCA says, well, we're goin to FL, and guess what? ...... the NFR and the PRCA do live on, in spite of losing Vegas, and the seats...... fill with ...... fans.
And they all lived happily everafter : )
I'm sorry, but Vegas didn't make the PRCA, and they won't break them either.
Ok I'm not asking to be snarky or fight. I'm asking because I don't know...
Does Florida have what it takes to draw the average joe fans to the rodeo, should it move there? Let's face it, the rodeo is only a couple hours each night. But in Vegas, the party ends only when you turn in for the night. The town doesn't roll up and if you're bored in Vegas, you just need to talk a block to find something to do. There's the spas, the shopping, the gambling, the clubs, the off strip attractions and activities. Does anywhere else that May have a dog in the "new NFR" fight have the ability to keep all these people busy when the rodeo is over?
This is the question I would think the PRCA board would be considering. Is the NFR itself, just the rodeo, big enough to keep the fan base or if needed, draw new fans in? | |
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The MGM IS building a new arena. Scheduled to be finished by NFR time 2016
Do you have any idea how close to bankruptcy the PRCA was at the time of the move to Vegas??
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Yep the PRCA Commish. If LVE had an offer on the table for over 14 months and there were no discussions....... THEN the FL offer comes along.
Even Martin said that the PRCA did NOT vote to leave Vegas but had rejected the initial offer. Meaning they were open to negotiation. Then the press releases started flying.
Think your odds at that poker game are better than average.
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