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Location: ND | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 10:57 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 10:26 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 10:19 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-18 10:14 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-18 9:28 PM Any fans like that who are lost from the move from Vegas will be replaced by the same type of fans who will come to FL. Everybody keeps saying "oh, now it will be such a far drive, so no fans will go", but good grief, there are many many people east of Vegas.... This is how it looks to me from what I've read. Vegas says, nah, we can't build an arena to hold any more people, thereby capping the amount of money to be made off seats. Sorry. Florida says, Hey PRCA, we wanna put on the NFR, so we'll give you that arena, and we'll add some $. PRCA says, well shoot, I'll think about it. Vegas says, Hey, hey world, guess what? PRCA dumped us! Suckers! Nevermind we won't budge on our offer. But hey y'all, get mad at PRCA and come to the "finals" we are gonna have. It'll be better. Vegas is the only place with fans, and fun, and food, and blabla. Nevermind some of you have never been to Fl, so you don't even know, but it's nothing but Mickey Mouse. It's just gonna suck. And btw, who cares about all the fans on the other half of the country, but the fans right around us are mad. We really didn't see this coming, prca is making a mistake, but we HAVE been thinking about how we're gonna replace the NFR. Just last minute though, really. My prediction: PRCA says, well, we're goin to FL, and guess what? ...... the NFR and the PRCA do live on, in spite of losing Vegas, and the seats...... fill with ...... fans. And they all lived happily everafter :) I'm sorry, but Vegas didn't make the PRCA, and they won't break them either. Kissimmee Rodeo payout dropped over $10,000 from the late 80's to the mid 90's. Due to LOW attendance.
The MGM IS building a new arena. Scheduled to be finished by NFR time 2016
Do you have any idea how close to bankruptcy the PRCA was at the time of the move to Vegas??
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Even Martin said that the PRCA did NOT vote to leave Vegas but had rejected the initial offer. Meaning they were open to negotiation. Then the press releases started flying.
Think your odds at that poker game are better than average.
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | I do believe this is the longest lasting thread ever.....it is the most well spoken and educated as well, just throwing that out there.  Of course, I still want in on that Vegas trip 
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Location: Prosser, WA | jojammer - 2013-12-18 6:35 PM
How in the world is Vegas going to put on a bigger better event than the NFR, when the NFR will have more seats, better arena, more $ in the round, but Vegas won't spend any more $ ? That makes no sense.
Just because they won't hand it over to the PRCA doesn't mean they won't hold a bigger/more added money event. | |
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Location: Florida | If you heard the local Orlando news, you would think that the move is a done deal. The Orange County commission voted on a Sunday to build the new arena. I wonder if they are just jumping the gun, or are the negotiations further along that we know? | |
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Location: Texas | I have no doubt that Vegas can together another big rodeo with a ton of money to be won. I personally believe that they are over shooting their hand though as far as thinking that it will bring in the same type of crowds that the NFR brings. I think Houston is a prime example, yes they do great, but they do great because of the concerts. How many people plan a yearly vacation to go watch Houston? And if you look at the PBR finals in Vegas, and they have a huge following, they cut the seating down to 15,000 vs 25,000. And if you look at the daily revenue brought into Vegas during the PBR finals vs the daily revenue during the NFR, there is a significant difference. Will Vegas do ok with a different rodeo, yes, will it do as great as they do during the NFR, I personally think it won't even be close | |
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Location: Texas | Had to come back and say really quick that Rodeo Houston was the 8th most "checked-in" place for the year on Facebook. Disneyworld was #1. Rodeo Houston lasts for 3 weeks and Disneyworld is open 365 (4?) days a year. Rodeo can certainly survive outside of Vegas. It just has to be done properly. | |
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| God Is My Light - 2013-12-18 11:43 PM
I do believe this is the longest lasting thread ever.....it is the most well spoken and educated as well, just throwing that out there. Of course, I still want in on that Vegas trip
Naw, back in the day, we had a thread about TP that I believe went to almost 100 pages? Or the ones about Pineapple? IDK, but this at 18 pages isnt' even close yet. | |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | bocephus's mama - 2013-12-19 7:51 AM Had to come back and say really quick that Rodeo Houston was the 8th most "checked-in" place for the year on Facebook. Disneyworld was #1. Rodeo Houston lasts for 3 weeks and Disneyworld is open 365 (4?) days a year. Rodeo can certainly survive outside of Vegas. It just has to be done properly.
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Location: Stephenville, TX | Has anyone seen any legit updates on this lately? Or is the PRCA still awaiting a counter offer from LVE?
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Location: ND | Running Roan - 2013-12-19 12:03 PM Has anyone seen any legit updates on this lately? Or is the PRCA still awaiting a counter offer from LVE?
i thought the PRCA suggested that they were presenting a counter offer to LVE??? | |
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Location: WI | EnterUp - 2013-12-19 7:26 AM I have no doubt that Vegas can together another big rodeo with a ton of money to be won. I personally believe that they are over shooting their hand though as far as thinking that it will bring in the same type of crowds that the NFR brings. I think Houston is a prime example, yes they do great, but they do great because of the concerts. How many people plan a yearly vacation to go watch Houston? And if you look at the PBR finals in Vegas, and they have a huge following, they cut the seating down to 15,000 vs 25,000. And if you look at the daily revenue brought into Vegas during the PBR finals vs the daily revenue during the NFR, there is a significant difference. Will Vegas do ok with a different rodeo, yes, will it do as great as they do during the NFR, I personally think it won't even be close
If they had the same convention, I would be there! I've been once, loved the shopping and atmosphere, liked the rodeo. I'd honestly rather watch it in one of the casinos. | |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | I don't think there is going to be too much talk until that 90 day window is gone. Then announcements will come...
eta: One thing that everyone says is a lot of what brings people to Houston is the entertainment. Well if that is one of the pieces of the puzzle that LVE needs, I am pretty sure they are well set. Shall we go over the list of singers and what not who are either housing stays there right now or who come there all of the time?
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Location: OK | Ok I'm not asking to be snarky or fight. I'm asking because I don't know...
Does Florida have what it takes to draw the average joe fans to the rodeo, should it move there? Let's face it, the rodeo is only a couple hours each night. But in Vegas, the party ends only when you turn in for the night. The town doesn't roll up and if you're bored in Vegas, you just need to talk a block to find something to do. There's the spas, the shopping, the gambling, the clubs, the off strip attractions and activities. Does anywhere else that May have a dog in the "new NFR" fight have the ability to keep all these people busy when the rodeo is over?
This is the question I would think the PRCA board would be considering. Is the NFR itself, just the rodeo, big enough to keep the fan base or if needed, draw new fans in?
I don't know either, but I'm guessing FL is well aware of the expectations. I think they will make sure the entertainment is there, the shopping is there. I just think they will understand that the actual perf isn't the only attraction and rise to it.
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Location: southeast Texas | Most to to Rodeo Houston for the entertainment. There is shopping, not on the scale of Vegas. There is also breed horse shows. And cattle shows going on at the same time. not to forget the carnival/rides and the local eateries with their feasts. | |
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Location: Stephenville, TX | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-19 12:06 PM Running Roan - 2013-12-19 12:03 PM Has anyone seen any legit updates on this lately? Or is the PRCA still awaiting a counter offer from LVE?
i thought the PRCA suggested that they were presenting a counter offer to LVE???
Or that could be too....It's really hard to find legit info on this subject. First I found that they only had 48 hours to decide, now I see they have 90 days. Bah...I don't know.
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Location: Stephenville, TX | jojammer - 2013-12-19 12:14 PM Ok I'm not asking to be snarky or fight. I'm asking because I don't know... Does Florida have what it takes to draw the average joe fans to the rodeo, should it move there? Let's face it, the rodeo is only a couple hours each night. But in Vegas, the party ends only when you turn in for the night. The town doesn't roll up and if you're bored in Vegas, you just need to talk a block to find something to do. There's the spas, the shopping, the gambling, the clubs, the off strip attractions and activities. Does anywhere else that May have a dog in the "new NFR" fight have the ability to keep all these people busy when the rodeo is over? This is the question I would think the PRCA board would be considering. Is the NFR itself, just the rodeo, big enough to keep the fan base or if needed, draw new fans in? I don't know either, but I'm guessing FL is well aware of the expectations. I think they will make sure the entertainment is there, the shopping is there. I just think they will understand that the actual perf isn't the only attraction and rise to it.
Florida might have a hard time putting together the same shopping experience fans have enjoyed in Vegas. I talked to quite a few other fellow NFR vendors last week and a few flat out said they won't go to Florida. A few said they'd sit it out a few years to see what kind of crowd FL draws. Nobody said they'd go to FL for sure. The Boot Barns and Sheplers of the world will follow the NFR wherever it goes, but the smaller businesses selling unique stuff that you don't see everywhere are on the fence about what to do.
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Location: Texas | roxieannie - 2013-12-19 12:16 PM Most to to Rodeo Houston for the entertainment. There is shopping, not on the scale of Vegas. There is also breed horse shows. And cattle shows going on at the same time. not to forget the carnival/rides and the local eateries with their feasts.
Yeah, that's all also known as economic impact which is what these other towns are going for when they're throwing all this money at the PRCA. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Running Roan - 2013-12-19 12:57 PM jojammer - 2013-12-19 12:14 PM Ok I'm not asking to be snarky or fight. I'm asking because I don't know... Does Florida have what it takes to draw the average joe fans to the rodeo, should it move there? Let's face it, the rodeo is only a couple hours each night. But in Vegas, the party ends only when you turn in for the night. The town doesn't roll up and if you're bored in Vegas, you just need to talk a block to find something to do. There's the spas, the shopping, the gambling, the clubs, the off strip attractions and activities. Does anywhere else that May have a dog in the "new NFR" fight have the ability to keep all these people busy when the rodeo is over? This is the question I would think the PRCA board would be considering. Is the NFR itself, just the rodeo, big enough to keep the fan base or if needed, draw new fans in? I don't know either, but I'm guessing FL is well aware of the expectations. I think they will make sure the entertainment is there, the shopping is there. I just think they will understand that the actual perf isn't the only attraction and rise to it. Florida might have a hard time putting together the same shopping experience fans have enjoyed in Vegas. I talked to quite a few other fellow NFR vendors last week and a few flat out said they won't go to Florida. A few said they'd sit it out a few years to see what kind of crowd FL draws. Nobody said they'd go to FL for sure. The Boot Barns and Sheplers of the world will follow the NFR wherever it goes, but the smaller businesses selling unique stuff that you don't see everywhere are on the fence about what to do.
My daughter and I were talking along these lines yesterday. Heritage and Luans just for instance. That's a heck of a long haul. So IF Vegas does bring in some other type of rodeo finals I imagine they would stay there vs the long haul across country. | |
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| Just read a article in the review journal? Spelling out the offer from Florida In more detail. It is impressive to say the least. Maybe someone can link to it? | |
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Location: Florida | I am not a bar/club type of person but I know that Orange and Osceola counties have a ton of late night stuff, just no gambling. It is much more family oriented that Las Vegas, which I think is a good thing. But, hey, that's just me. I am not into gambling either but anyone who is can drive 45 minutes to Port Canaveral and and take a gambling cruise. They last a few hours. | |
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