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Location: Florida | http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/11/3748602/koch-brothers-f...
Another piece of the puzzle
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! |
This is great news, I was aware that Ken was working on it, I have to laugh at the slant, though! lol.
The political network of the conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch signaled last week that it is expanding its financial and organizational support for a coalition of anti-government activists and militants who are working to seize and sell America’s national forests, monuments, and other public lands.
A few corrections:
Constitutionalists are not 'anti-government', quite the opposite or more accurately 'anti-faux-government'.
The States aren't trying to 'seize' lands...they simply want the equal footing as was intended.
They have no intention of selling our parks...that is hilarious!
Although, on a much more serious and somber note it's said that the Clinton Foundation has sold state resources to foreign interests...now that is scary.
We must be aware that the 'fear mongering campaign' by the left is in full swing...they have everything to lose, their donor base and their ability to sue the federal government. They will be out of business! That is the best news of all!
You can't beleive the 'connections' between these groups and our judges, attorneys, politicians...it is the most corrupt happenings ever.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Yes...the pieces keep 'falling in to place':
While taking up occupancy of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, protesters reportedly gained access to sensitive information stored on the computers there, revealing sinister plans by the BLM to confiscate privately owned land with uranium reserves before auctioning it off to foreign interests that have donated to the Clinton Foundation, according a source who requested anonymity.
In an effort to suppress this information, the FBI is believed to be conducting a nationwide warrant roundup of protesters and independent journalists involved in the recent protests and standoffs against the federal government. A total of 86 people, including Bundy, are believed to be on the FBI’s roundup list and could subsequently be arrested for their “crimes.”
http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11-exclusive-fbi-sting-to-arrest-86-americans-in-massive-blm-cover-up.html
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2016-02-12 10:50 AM
Yes...the pieces keep 'falling in to place':While taking up occupancy of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, protesters reportedly gained access to sensitive information stored on the computers there, revealing sinister plans by the BLM to confiscate privately owned land with uranium reserves before auctioning it off to foreign interests that have donated to the Clinton Foundation, according a source who requested anonymity.
In an effort to suppress this information, the FBI is believed to be conducting a nationwide warrant roundup of protesters and independent journalists involved in the recent protests and standoffs against the federal government. A total of 86 people, including Bundy, are believed to be on the FBI’s roundup list and could subsequently be arrested for their “crimes.”http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11-exclusive-fbi-sting-to-arrest-86-americans-in-massive-blm-cover-up.htmlÂ
And what 'crimes' would these eighty some individuals be charged with? | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Oh geezz, check this out.The more I read and connect the dots the more disgusted I get. https://shastalantern.net/2016/01/power-corrupts-absolutely-ties-that-bind-run-deep-with-aiken-family-in-hammond-case/ | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | musikmaker - 2016-02-12 7:43 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-02-12 6:24 AM Some more pieces to the puzzle as to how Hammonds were ordered back to jail. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/unbelievable-update-oregon-bundy-militia-standoff-the-federal-prosecutor-at-the-heart-of-the-hammond-family-problem/ That link didn't work...?
Here's an interesting response from KrisAnne Hall concerning the sheriffs associations statement...she nails it.
http://krisannehall.com/response-to-oregon-sheriff-association-press-release/
Try this. Very interesting when you get the dots connected. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/unbelievable-update-oregon-bundy-militia-standoff-the-federal-prosecutor-at-the-heart-of-the-hammond-family-problem/ | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I have come to the conclusion we need laws that REQUIRE each and every public servent ( L.E.O ) and government office must complete classes on the constitution and the constitution should be taught and required in all high schools and colleges and should be required as part of the general ed for each and every degree. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ThreeCorners - 2016-02-12 2:14 PM Oh geezz, check this out.The more I read and connect the dots the more disgusted I get. https://shastalantern.net/2016/01/power-corrupts-absolutely-ties-that-bind-run-deep-with-aiken-family-in-hammond-case/
Me too...there's too many dots!
I'm really disgusted with what's going on in our country...then I read the updates from friends attending meetings at the Utah Legislative sessions and I DO feel optimistic! I bug the hell outta those I don't know (probably those I do, too! haha). Phil Lyman posted a pic of his lapel...with a piece of blue tarp (they were given at Lavoy's funeral) and an American flag pin that we all got from Ken Ivory...love it! There are some good folks standing up for our country, our rights and the states rights we've been long denied.
Unfortunately, the majority of Americans do not grasp the importance and the possible repercussions concerning the ownership of land. It's the single most important sign of freedom and liberty anywhere on this earth! If the federal gov't succeeds in claiming these lands? Our Nation, as we thought we knew it to be, is over. And it won't be pretty. One step at a time...that's how 'they' operate. Slowly, insidiously and coldly.
God Bless.
This is from https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/photos/a.1649978758609487.1073741830.1648792115394818/1661534577453905/?type=3&fref=nf
TAKE ACTION - Contact Representative Peter DeFazio
A left-wing US Congressman from Oregon needs to hear from us. Peter DeFazio is laughing it up over the incarceration of Cliven Bundy and the citizens who engaged in civil disobedience in both Bunkerville and Burns. DeFazio recently told the media that he is calling for "tough prosecution" of Cliven and the others. “I am very pleased that the federal authorities finally acted to arrest Mr. Bundy. Unlike tens of thousands of ranchers across the West who get an incredibly sweet deal on federal lands, he’s refused to pay his fees, grazed illegally in protected habitat and threatened federal agents himself and with his friends with guns. He should have been prosecuted two years ago, and Malheur wouldn’t have happened. But he thought that he had a way forward and he taught his son, ‘Pull out the guns, the feds back down,’ Well, finally, the feds didn’t back down.”
DeFazio calls those of us who support Cliven and the occupiers "insurrectionists" and said that the federal government needs to "get much more aggressive against insurrectionists on the radical fringe.” He's talking about us. So I have taken the time to express my objections to Peter DeFazio and I invite you to do the same.
You can call his Washington Office at: 202-225-6416. Oregon office numbers include - Coos Bay: 541-269-2609, Eugene: 541-465-6732 or Roseburg: 541-440-3523.
You can also email him at: http://defazio.house.gov/contact/email-peter However, his server won't accept your email unless you enter a zip code from within his congressional distric. You can use this one from Springfield: 97477-8807
You are welcome to use your own words or use the text from the message that I sent to him. You may certainly speak firmly, but please do not make any physical threats of any kind. Our actions are and always will be peaceful.
Thanks,
Jake
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Mr. DeFazio,
I find your recent comments about Cliven Bundy and the American citizens who support him to be offensive and appalling. You stated that Cliven and the individuals who participated in civil disobedience at the Harney County Resource Center should be "vigorously prosecuted”. You also said that the federal government should "get much more aggressive against insurrectionists on the radical fringe.”
What you consider to be a "radical fringe", I consider to be "patriotic Americans". We love our country. Many of us, including our forefathers, have bled to defend the right of left-wing socialists such as yourself to spew your anti-American rhetoric. This nation was built on the foundation of the US Constitution. Just as you have a right to express yourself, as ignorant as that expression may be, we also have the right to express ourselves. When we see our government usurping powers and authorities which rightly belong to the states and the people themselves, it is our right and our duty to speak out.
You say that you support the right of free speech, but you call people who exercise the first amendment "radicals" and advocate the use of government to silence them.
You say that you support the right to assemble, but you call those who assembled in Bunkerville and Burns a pack of "insurrectionists" and support using militarized federal goons to bust up their assemblies and throw them in prison.
You say that you support the right to bear arms, but that isn't completely true - is it, Peter? No, you have no qualms about federal agents not only bearing arms, but using them to murder innocent citizens such as LaVoy Finicum and slaughtering an entire compound of innocent men, women and children in Waco, Texas by shooting them to keep them inside their building until every last one burned alive. But what of the peaceful Americans who gathered in Burns bearing arms who never fired a single shot even when they were repeatedly fired upon by federal agents? You say they are "domestic terrorists".
You, sir, are a hypocrite and an enemy of the American people. Your goals of enacting unconstitutional legislation to turn our republic into a European-style democratic socialist state is both shocking and repugnant to millions of Americans all across this country. You, sir, are a traitor to the American people and to our way of life.
For now, you have succeeded in killing LaVoy, in jailing Cliven and in scattering some of the patriotic Americans who assembled together to demand a redress of grievances - a right guaranteed to us in the Bill of Rights. But you have no idea what you've done. You have awakened an angry and determined groundswell of citizens who are fed up with out-of-touch and unaccountable bureaucrats like you who think you are gods on Mt. Olympus, hurling thunderbolts down at the ignorant masses below.
We are coming for you, Peter; we are coming for all of you - not through force of arms or acts of physical aggression. We are, and always will be, peaceful citizens. Our mouths and our pens are mightier than the sword and they are the weapons which we will use to defeat your radical ideologies. We have the providence of the Almighty behind us - He who is the author of our freedoms and the One who will fight our battles for us. You have trampled upon the liberties with which He has endowed us. And God will not be mocked.
I don't expect a response from you. I know that you are set in your ways and firm in your path. But know this, Peter: so are we. And the paths of our competing visions for America are going to cross soon enough. We will not be intimidated and we will not be silenced. WE are true Americans.
With devotion to the US Constitution,
[Insert Your Own Name]
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | foundation horse - 2016-02-12 11:31 AM musikmaker - 2016-02-12 10:50 AM Yes...the pieces keep 'falling in to place':
While taking up occupancy of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, protesters reportedly gained access to sensitive information stored on the computers there, revealing sinister plans by the BLM to confiscate privately owned land with uranium reserves before auctioning it off to foreign interests that have donated to the Clinton Foundation, according a source who requested anonymity.
In an effort to suppress this information, the FBI is believed to be conducting a nationwide warrant roundup of protesters and independent journalists involved in the recent protests and standoffs against the federal government. A total of 86 people, including Bundy, are believed to be on the FBI’s roundup list and could subsequently be arrested for their “crimes.”
http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11-exclusive-fbi-sting-to-arrest-86-americans-in-massive-blm-cover-up.html
And what 'crimes' would these eighty some individuals be charged with?
Well, it's taken them 2 years to dig deep enough and manipulate things to this point. The courts are theirs...so it's a 'slam dunk' unless the defendants can use article 3 courts. The charges are pretty shakey I think. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | musikmaker - 2016-02-11 7:12 PM
They're saying that the whole thing was David Fry effing with the fbi...looking back, I see it.
Okay. I have to ask...did Oregon give up their states rights? Are they now a 'federal enclave'?
Why else did they not arrest Cliven in Nevada?
Could it be because Nevada hasn't 'welcomed' the fed to take over...yet?
When you google Federal Enclave:In United States law, a "federal enclave" is a parcel of federal property within a state that is under the "Special Maritime and Territorial Jurisdiction of the United States."When you google the rest? Lol...try it out...I've tried really hard to not go there...and here I am.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/7The term “special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States”, as used in this title, includes: (1 ) The high seas, any other waters within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular State, and any vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States or any citizen thereof, or to any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, when such vessel is within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular State. (2 ) Any vessel registered, licensed, or enrolled under the laws of the United States, and being on a voyage upon the waters of any of the Great Lakes, or any of the waters connecting them, or upon the Saint Lawrence River where the same constitutes the International Boundary Line. (3 ) Any lands reserved or acquired for the use of the United States, and under the exclusive or concurrent jurisdiction thereof, or any place purchased or otherwise acquired by the United States by consent of the legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the erection of a fort, magazine, arsenal, dockyard, or other needful building. (4 ) Any island, rock, or key containing deposits of guano, which may, at the discretion of the President, be considered as appertaining to the United States. (5 ) Any aircraft belonging in whole or in part to the United States, or any citizen thereof, or to any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or any State, Territory, district, or possession thereof, while such aircraft is in flight over the high seas, or over any other waters within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular State. (6 ) Any vehicle used or designed for flight or navigation in space and on the registry of the United States pursuant to the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies and the Convention on Registration of Objects Launched into Outer Space, while that vehicle is in flight, which is from the moment when all external doors are closed on Earth following embarkation until the moment when one such door is opened on Earth for disembarkation or in the case of a forced landing, until the competent authorities take over the responsibility for the vehicle and for persons and property aboard. (7 ) Any place outside the jurisdiction of any nation with respect to an offense by or against a national of the United States. (8 ) To the extent permitted by international law, any foreign vessel during a voyage having a scheduled departure from or arrival in the United States with respect to an offense committed by or against a national of the United States. (9 ) With respect to offenses committed by or against a national of the United States as that term is used in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act— (A ) the premises of United States diplomatic, consular, military or other United States Government missions or entities in foreign States, including the buildings, parts of buildings, and land appurtenant or ancillary thereto or used for purposes of those missions or entities, irrespective of ownership; and (B ) residences in foreign States and the land appurtenant or ancillary thereto, irrespective of ownership, used for purposes of those missions or entities or used by United States personnel assigned to those missions or entities. Nothing in this paragraph shall be deemed to supersede any treaty or international agreement with which this paragraph conflicts. This paragraph does not apply with respect to an offense committed by a person described in section 3261(a) of this title. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 685; July 12, 1952, ch. 695, 66 Stat. 589; Pub. L. 97–96, §?6, Dec. 21, 1981, 95 Stat. 1210; Pub. L. 98–473, title II, §?1210, Oct. 12, 1984, 98 Stat. 2164; Pub. L. 103–322, title XII, §?120002, Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2021; Pub. L. 107–56, title VIII, §?804, Oct. 26, 2001, 115 Stat. 377. ) Â
Here's an interview that might help people understand this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd0qz4tNEUA | |
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Location: Florida | Do you all really condone Cliven Bundy running cattle on public land and refusing to pay rent? If you didn't pay rent on a house what would happen? If you took up arms to fight the eviction would you expect people to support you? Think about who you are putting up there as your heros. If your tenant wouldn't pay rent and pulled a gun on you when you went to collect would you be as nice as the government has treated the Bundys? | |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Vickie - 2016-02-12 6:23 PM Do you all really condone Cliven Bundy running cattle on public land and refusing to pay rent? If you didn't pay rent on a house what would happen? If you took up arms to fight the eviction would you expect people to support you? Think about who you are putting up there as your heros. If your tenant wouldn't pay rent and pulled a gun on you when you went to collect would you be as nice as the government has treated the Bundys?
If I understand this correctly Bundy said that the grazing permit payment should go to the State not Federal Government. So basically the Federal Government isn't owed any money at all. | |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | Vickie - 2016-02-12 4:23 PM
Do you all really condone Cliven Bundy running cattle on public land and refusing to pay rent?  If you didn't pay rent on a house what would happen?  If you took up arms to fight the eviction would you expect people to support you?  Think about who you are putting up there as your  heros.  If your tenant wouldn't pay rent and pulled a gun on you when you went to collect would you be as nice as the government has treated the Bundys?
I personally believe Bundy should have been charged a long time ago. Did anyone notice how few Nevada ranchers backed Bundy in the first go around. The percentage was pretty low. And Nevada has the most federal land in the nation. | |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-12 6:52 PM
Vickie - 2016-02-12 6:23 PM Do you all really condone Cliven Bundy running cattle on public land and refusing to pay rent?  If you didn't pay rent on a house what would happen?  If you took up arms to fight the eviction would you expect people to support you?  Think about who you are putting up there as your  heros.  If your tenant wouldn't pay rent and pulled a gun on you when you went to collect would you be as nice as the government has treated the Bundys?
If I understand this correctly Bundy said that the grazing permit payment should go to the State not Federal Government. So basically the Federal Government isn't owed any money at all.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | willrodeo4food - 2016-02-12 6:53 PM Vickie - 2016-02-12 4:23 PM Do you all really condone Cliven Bundy running cattle on public land and refusing to pay rent? If you didn't pay rent on a house what would happen? If you took up arms to fight the eviction would you expect people to support you? Think about who you are putting up there as your heros. If your tenant wouldn't pay rent and pulled a gun on you when you went to collect would you be as nice as the government has treated the Bundys? I personally believe Bundy should have been charged a long time ago. Did anyone notice how few Nevada ranchers backed Bundy in the first go around. The percentage was pretty low. And Nevada has the most federal land in the nation.
And now this 28 page thread of incessant links, etc has come full circle.....We should remember that there are always two (or more) sides to every story.....I posted this about the Bundys and the occupation 14 days ago......
They were NOT there to "help" the Hammonds....they were there to further their OWN agenda with the government.....In fact, the Hammonds didn't want their "help".....see excerpt from story early on .....
But the Hammonds said they don't want help from Bundy's group.
"Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond family," the Hammonds' attorney, W. Alan Schroeder, wrote to Harney County Sheriff David Ward.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I'm not persay a Bundy fan but I am a fan of what they are standing for and I'm not a fan of the federal government pushing ranchers off of their land.
This is what it's about.
From Ammon Bundy Feb 12 2016 - PLEASE SHARE I would like to thank the hundreds of thousands of supporters across this great country who understand what is reall...y going on. Thank you for your thoughts; thank you for looking beyond the headlines and researching the truth. And most of all thank you for your continual prayers. For several decades federal agencies have been taking ranches, mines, properties, and forests all over the United States. They remove the rightful owners in the name of government and begin using the property for their own benefit. Through these actions federal agencies have destroyed the economies of hundreds of counties leaving the people with very little to survive on.
Those who stand up to them, like the Hammonds and my father Cliven Bundy, are prosecuted in federal court and thrown into prison.
Most of these ranches, mines, properties, were established well over a hundred years ago long before the US Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service were even thought of.
The Constitution of the United States restricts federal government from owning mass amounts of land inside an established state. It also does not give authority for federal agencies to purchase land inside the states without permission from the state legislatures. Federal agencies refuse to recognize the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. They openly and blatantly break the law and put the people’s liberty at risk by doing so.
This is why we made a hard stand at the refuge. Our statement is this: The land belongs to the people, not government. Government officials must follow the laws people have placed upon them. Liberty by definition is freedom from arbitrary or despotic government control. Let us learn from the lessons of the past. We must get our government in control and back to benefiting the people. If we can do this, we may prosper as a nation once again and pass freedom on to our children.
With respect and love,
Ammon Bundy.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Vickie - 2016-02-12 4:23 PM
Do you all really condone Cliven Bundy running cattle on public land and refusing to pay rent?  If you didn't pay rent on a house what would happen?  If you took up arms to fight the eviction would you expect people to support you?  Think about who you are putting up there as your  heros.  If your tenant wouldn't pay rent and pulled a gun on you when you went to collect would you be as nice as the government has treated the Bundys?
The issue with the ranchers not paying their grazing fees is this. How would you feel about paying for something for 6 years and not be allowed to use it or at a arbitrary lesser number? That's what has been happening. The feds took land they didn't own and had no right to hold then sold the rights to it back to the ranchers. LaVoy paid his grazing fees for a parcel of land he OWNED the grazing rights to. He purchased these rights from the previous owner of his land. The BLM took the land and made him pay for the grazing rights he already owned. Then they kept him from grazing it for 6 years. Hammonds were fined $400,000 and got 5 years in federal prison for an infraction that caused less than $200 damage or actually improved the land that was burned AND they were prosecuted as terrorists. Yet the BLM can burn hundreds of thousands of acres of private land and not get fined, prosecuted or even a black mark in their personnel file. You think that's fair?
NJJ it IS really funny (not) that with all the links and c & p that have been made available in the spirit of education, some of you haven't read any of it.  | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 8:41 PM I'm not persay a Bundy fan but I am a fan of what they are standing for and I'm not a fan of the federal government pushing ranchers off of their land.
This is what it's about.
From Ammon Bundy Feb 12 2016 - PLEASE SHARE
I would like to thank the hundreds of thousands of supporters across this great country who understand what is reall...y going on. Thank you for your thoughts; thank you for looking beyond the headlines and researching the truth. And most of all thank you for your continual prayers.
For several decades federal agencies have been taking ranches, mines, properties, and forests all over the United States. They remove the rightful owners in the name of government and begin using the property for their own benefit. Through these actions federal agencies have destroyed the economies of hundreds of counties leaving the people with very little to survive on.
Those who stand up to them, like the Hammonds and my father Cliven Bundy, are prosecuted in federal court and thrown into prison.
Most of these ranches, mines, properties, were established well over a hundred years ago long before the US Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service were even thought of.
The Constitution of the United States restricts federal government from owning mass amounts of land inside an established state. It also does not give authority for federal agencies to purchase land inside the states without permission from the state legislatures. Federal agencies refuse to recognize the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. They openly and blatantly break the law and put the people’s liberty at risk by doing so.
This is why we made a hard stand at the refuge. Our statement is this: The land belongs to the people, not government. Government officials must follow the laws people have placed upon them. Liberty by definition is freedom from arbitrary or despotic government control. Let us learn from the lessons of the past. We must get our government in control and back to benefiting the people. If we can do this, we may prosper as a nation once again and pass freedom on to our children.
With respect and love,
Ammon Bundy.
I guess that is a good way to spin it....but what about the forgotten facts that legal dispute with Cliven Bundy centered around UNPAID grazing fees.......
That dispute started when Bundy declined to renew his permit for cattle grazing on BLM lands because he didn't like the changes in the rules (kind of like trying to tell your landlord you don't agree with his rent so you don't pay it). BUT he continued to graze his cattle on public lands without a permit. This went on for YEARS and he didn't pay any fees......
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2016-02-12 8:52 PM Vickie - 2016-02-12 4:23 PM Do you all really condone Cliven Bundy running cattle on public land and refusing to pay rent? If you didn't pay rent on a house what would happen? If you took up arms to fight the eviction would you expect people to support you? Think about who you are putting up there as your heros. If your tenant wouldn't pay rent and pulled a gun on you when you went to collect would you be as nice as the government has treated the Bundys? The issue with the ranchers not paying their grazing fees is this. How would you feel about paying for something for 6 years and not be allowed to use it or at a arbitrary lesser number? That's what has been happening. The feds took land they didn't own and had no right to hold then sold the rights to it back to the ranchers. LaVoy paid his grazing fees for a parcel of land he OWNED the grazing rights to. He purchased these rights from the previous owner of his land. The BLM took the land and made him pay for the grazing rights he already owned. Then they kept him from grazing it for 6 years. Hammonds were fined $400,000 and got 5 years in federal prison for an infraction that caused less than $200 damage or actually improved the land that was burned AND they were prosecuted as terrorists. Yet the BLM can burn hundreds of thousands of acres of private land and not get fined, prosecuted or even a black mark in their personnel file. You think that's fair? NJJ it IS really funny (not ) that with all the links and c & p that have been made available in the spirit of education, some of you haven't read any of it.
I agree that there has been a LOT of posts of links and "cut & paste" and a lot of it was from self serving and VERY biased web sites......
you are the ones beating the "dead horse".........
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