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Location: North Texas | It would appear that Mr. Cliven Bundy has obtained some positive legal standing after all!
Thanks to The Legal Precedent of The Wayne Hage Case..............
http://www.mrconservative.com/2014/04/39421-federal-judge-rules-gov...
Federal Judge Rules Government Complicit In Rancher Conspiracy
Although many theories have been speculated upon as to why the government was so forceful in its recent dealings with the Nevada rancher, Clive Bundy, a federal judge has recently declared conspiracy. Further shocking the nation, the judge noted that this isn’t the first time the government has used its full force to bully a contesting rancher.
U.S. District Court Judge Robert C. Jones recently spoke out, as he could contain no more the baffling resemblance in a similar instance. Sharing that the governments acts have formed a visible pattern, Jones claimed that he could accurately describe the intentions of the BLM.
Referring to the case of United States v. Estate of Hage, explains that similar circumstance fell upon a fellow Nevada rancher after he too defied the United States government. As we’ve reported before, the BLM claimed that in an effort to prevent land from being destroyed due to over grazing by ranchers using public land, they would be subject to grazing fees.
Bundy has ever since rejected the assertion that he owes the government money as he and his family had been using the land since long before even the creation of the BLM. At the time however, back in 1993, the BLM decided to start charging those who wished to use the public land in order to cut back on cheapskate land abusers.
When this was brought up, Nevada rancher E. Wayne Hage signed his grazing permit renewal but noted that he was in no way, forfeiting his families long standing rights to use the land for his cattle. Explaining that his family had the right to the land, and in so its grass and water, they were more than shocked when they received their permit back informing them that it had been rejected.
It seems as though Hage was being retaliated against by the full force of the United States Government in return for their blatant defiance. Hage was then said to state his intentions of taking the government to court in which he received further inconveniences in the form of retaliation from the governing entity.
The government even went so far at that point to invite other ranchers to apply for grazing rights such as, Mr. Gary Snow, who were then granted the privilege of land usage. When all the permits weren’t filled, the government even applied themselves, under the Nevada State Engineer, for grazing rights despite the state or government owning exactly zero cattle.
Sharing his outrage years later as the government illegally repeats their actions, Jones writes, “By filing for a public water reserve, the Government in this case sought specifically to transfer to others water rights belonging to the Hages.” Further his accusations he went on to say, “For this reason, the Court has held certain government officials in contempt and referred the matter to the U.S. Attorney’s Office. In summary, government officials, and perhaps also Mr. Snow, entered into a literal, intentional conspiracy to deprive the Hages not only of their permits but also of their vested water rights.”
Concluding his thoughts he noted, “This behavior shocks the conscience of the Court and provides a sufficient basis for a finding of irreparable harm to support the injunction described at the end of this Order.” Jones however is not alone in his findings as other’s believe the government has acted in a severed abuse of authority.
Of course, coming from this administration, it isn’t a shock as senior editor of The New American, William F. Jasper, asks, “Has Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuted any federal officials for criminal activity and violation of the Hage family’s constitutionally protected rights? No. Has Sen. Harry Reid denounced this lawlessness and criminal activity by government officials and call upon President Obama and Attorney General Holder to protect the citizens of his state from the depredations of federal officials under their command? No.”
Sharing the same sentiment as held by countless other Americans, Jasper concludes, “With attitudes such as those expressed above by Sen. Harry Reid, it is almost a certainty that the recently defused Bundy Ranch standoff will be replayed again — and in the not-too-distant future. And the outcome could be much less amicable for all concerned.”
End of Article.
I would like for TxBo, Smiley along with Finney Quarter Horses and others to include MusikMaker to see this.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Thanks FH...if the courts 'fairly' hear the case for States Rights...we'll have our land.
The gov't shutdown last year proving federal ineptness & willingness to 'punish' the people provided much needed momentum to get er done!
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-18 8:59 AM
Thanks FH...if the courts 'fairly' hear the case for States Rights...we'll have our land.
The gov't shutdown last year proving federal ineptness & willingness to 'punish' the people provided much needed momentum to get er done!
Oh I agree! I believe there is much going on 'behind the scenes' on both sides that many are not aware of.............................. |
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-18 8:59 AM
Thanks FH...if the courts 'fairly' hear the case for States Rights...we'll have our land.
The gov't shutdown last year proving federal ineptness & willingness to 'punish' the people provided much needed momentum to get er done!
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Location: Broxton, Ga | smiley - 2014-04-16 2:36 PM CJE - 2014-04-17 11:50 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-16 1:32 PM TXBO - 2014-04-17 11:10 AM jbhoot - 2014-04-17 12:02 PM The BLM is most certainly a police force. After a long history of convoluted jurisdiction Congress granted police authority in 1978. And yes everyone of the Agents that have been pictured dressed as paramilitary has a badge on from the BLM. You really should read up on the history of the present day BLM it is a prime example of how messed up the Federal Government has become. And If you had read the court orders issued in this case you would see NO such authority exists to destroy or dispose of Bundy's property. So it seems that in your mind it is ok for the agents of the BLM violate the court orders but not Bundy. Your stance on this makes zero sense to me. If I had to choose only three words to describe the BLM it would be bloated, inept and corrupt.
I vividly recall the day the BLM, Forest Service etc...got their 'arms'. Like most other 'laws' that are passed, the public was unaware until the 'public comment' time was up...you see they didn't arm themselves until much later...after the law had been on the books for however many years. (Although I recall the 'day' in memory, I don't recall the date...). Just another sneaky tactic.
The Sierra Club is one of the most powerful lobby groups and especially with this president.....
As for the federal land that too was discussed.........yes it is federal land and yes Bundy does own the land lease.......but apparently they way the land was deemed federal vs state was implied to be to the governments favor.......How this playes out will be interesting................
oppps........I meant owe.........I agree he does owe.......I reckon my biggest "beef" behind all this.....is the method of this madness............from the turtle to the federal land crap........... |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | And now Harry Reid is calling the supporters domestic terrorist.............really Reid.........and Bundy not paying his taxes...........that is a lie just like he said about Mitt Romney...............Bundy owes for the land lease but he has paid his taxes.........why doesn't somebody call Reid out..............
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/17/sen-reid-calls-supporters-nevada-rancher-bundy-domestic-terrorists/
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Location: ND | as predicted, the Bundy story is being touted in lots of media avenues as a great example of greedy subsidized ag waste......and corporate waste......and typical of those that want their subsidies but don't want anyone else to get govt subsidies.......what a mess...... |
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Location: ND | smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM
This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering.
yes....but the bigger issue is the label of domestic terrorists...which is what the article is really about........just skip the tax/fee errors
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Reid also said that Bundy not only didn't pay his grazing fees but refuses to pay taxes.
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This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering.
I wonder if it's an error. He doesn't recognize the fed's authority. Maybe he doesn't pay taxes. |
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Harry is a senile old coot who will verbally attack anyone who goes up against him, not matter how ridiculous it is. Example.... The Koch brothers. Since it's ok for Democrats to receive money from rich donors, i.e. George Soros, Warren Buffet, and most of the Hollyweird elite, just to name a few. But by golly if anyone starts a campaign against him or donates to Republicans, it's "unamerican".
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Location: ND | TXBO - 2014-04-18 10:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:00 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM
This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering.
i don't know....if it is true....that will take it to a whole other level as a 'tax protester' but i think if that were the case, we would have heard about that a lot already so i doubt it......could turn into the next Gordon Kahl incident except with social media it will be waay bigger and waay stupider.... |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | TXBO - 2014-04-17 11:03 AM Reid also said that Bundy not only didn't pay his grazing fees but refuses to pay taxes.
Anybody know if that is accurate?
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:00 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM
This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering.
Wow! Reid's an idiot & a liar. Bundy NEVER said he doesn't recognize the United States laws! Or that he considers the U.S. to be a 'foreign govt'! Nor were there women & children on the 'front line'...what a 'piece' Reid is.
There's a big difference between the foundation our country was built on (the Constitution) with it's many checks & balances & the federal agencies that are not within the perimeter of said foundation.
Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'!
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp
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Location: ND | musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:00 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM
This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering.
There's a big difference between the foundation our country was built on (the Constitution) with it's many checks & balances & the federal agencies that are not within the perimeter of said foundation.
Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'!
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM
TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:00 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM
This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering.
There's a big difference between the foundation our country was built on (the Constitution) with it's many checks & balances & the federal agencies that are not within the perimeter of said foundation.
Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'!
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp
From the tone of the comments I read, I would believe the commenters are rather upset The BLM did not shed blood @ Bunkerville. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 9:36 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:00 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering.
There's a big difference between the foundation our country was built on (the Constitution) with it's many checks & balances & the federal agencies that are not within the perimeter of said foundation.
Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'!
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp
The BLM has closed most of our back roads & trails...they did a 'Wilderness Study Area' that was to expire after 15 yrs (it was due a couple yrs ago...either declare it Wilderness or retract it...nothing yet). They hired college kids to come out and install closure signs & block the roads & trails...some of the ranchers & others (jeepers etc...) have spent much time removing the illegal signs and trash & re-opening the illegally closed roads...it is a mess. The gov't just does this on their own...they make their own policy daily...and I mean the rangers!
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