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Location: ND | horselover_jenn - 2013-12-20 9:38 AM Im from Florida. Like 2hr from Silver Spurs. It would be cheaper for me to fly to Vegas and stay there than to either commute or to stay in a hotel in Kissimmee. There is absolutely NOTHING to do over there. Like people are going to want to go to Disney all day then go to the NFR at 5. Same with going to the beach, they are going to have to drive AT LEAST an hour to get to Tampa to a beach. Not to mention who knows where all the Cowboy Christmas stuff would be set up/spread out... Night life afterwards, I guess the only place that would be reasonably close is Downtown Disney? Anyways, overall, it would be super boring and most likely lose a lot of spectators in Florida. I really hope they leave it in Vegas.
sounds like a great time.........
it's interesting to now see some of the NFR contestants that were so gung ho the day after with their FB posts, now backpeddling as well.... |
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-12-20 1:18 PM horselover_jenn - 2013-12-20 9:38 AM Im from Florida. Like 2hr from Silver Spurs. It would be cheaper for me to fly to Vegas and stay there than to either commute or to stay in a hotel in Kissimmee. There is absolutely NOTHING to do over there. Like people are going to want to go to Disney all day then go to the NFR at 5. Same with going to the beach, they are going to have to drive AT LEAST an hour to get to Tampa to a beach. Not to mention who knows where all the Cowboy Christmas stuff would be set up/spread out... Night life afterwards, I guess the only place that would be reasonably close is Downtown Disney? Anyways, overall, it would be super boring and most likely lose a lot of spectators in Florida. I really hope they leave it in Vegas. sounds like a great time.........
it's interesting to now see some of the NFR contestants that were so gung ho the day after with their FB posts, now backpeddling as well....
I totally agree! Hoping they work it out with LV! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Red Raider - 2013-12-20 8:51 AM ThreeCorners - 2013-12-19 8:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-19 8:33 PM The National Finals Rodeo still means something to most of the contestants. I do not see them "walking" from the NFR to go to a new venue. Besides that there is at least 1 city in the US willing to put up a lot of money to put the rodeo on. If Florida has it....the contestants will go and the spectators will follow.
I've never been to the NFR. Its on my bucket list. I'm trying to finish raising my children so I can start checking off my list. I hate big cities and lots of people so unless the NFR comes to Brentford, South Dakota I'm thinking its not going to matter if its in Vegas or Orlando. Either way I'll have to dull my senses. I dont think anybody is thinking any of the top 15 would walk from the NFR. BUT, if you were 16th on down and had another venue you could enter for big bucks you darn sure would and there are ALOT of contestants not in the top 15.
And the ropers there had huge expenses to enter it and the total pay off was not far behind the NFR team roping. |
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Location: Stephenville, TX | mattslilwonder - 2013-12-20 12:21 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-20 1:18 PM horselover_jenn - 2013-12-20 9:38 AM Im from Florida. Like 2hr from Silver Spurs. It would be cheaper for me to fly to Vegas and stay there than to either commute or to stay in a hotel in Kissimmee. There is absolutely NOTHING to do over there. Like people are going to want to go to Disney all day then go to the NFR at 5. Same with going to the beach, they are going to have to drive AT LEAST an hour to get to Tampa to a beach. Not to mention who knows where all the Cowboy Christmas stuff would be set up/spread out... Night life afterwards, I guess the only place that would be reasonably close is Downtown Disney? Anyways, overall, it would be super boring and most likely lose a lot of spectators in Florida. I really hope they leave it in Vegas. sounds like a great time.........
it's interesting to now see some of the NFR contestants that were so gung ho the day after with their FB posts, now backpeddling as well....
I hope PRCA and LVE hugs it out too. Everybody keeps saying the the PRCA doesn't need Vegas, buuuut if they want to keep the fans coming to the NFR....they kinda do.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Found this comment. Has anyone addressed it yet?
Matt, I agree 100% with raising the money for the contestants, and rodeo personell, but I also know FL very well, I know the tourism industry there and I know what FL will do when they are not bringing in the revinue to cover what they promise...It sounds great, but there is a much bigger picture the Osceola County is holding back, if you need proof, ask any biker that has traveled to Daytona for they 10 day event there...they have all but chased them away because the money is not there for them like it once was....I just hope the PRCA weighs all options, and not just paper from 1 city making a promise it doesnt actually know it will keep!
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-20 10:45 PM
Found this comment. Has anyone addressed it yet?
Matt, I agree 100% with raising the money for the contestants, and rodeo personell, but I also know FL very well, I know the tourism industry there and I know what FL will do when they are not bringing in the revinue to cover what they promise...It sounds great, but there is a much bigger picture the Osceola County is holding back, if you need proof, ask any biker that has traveled to Daytona for they 10 day event there...they have all but chased them away because the money is not there for them like it once was....I just hope the PRCA weighs all options, and not just paper from 1 city making a promise it doesnt actually know it will keep!
I will address it. I'm not a lawyer. But I'm assuming if they sign the contract with the prca for 10 years they will be legally obligated to provide the money they have promised. And my understanding is that money will come from ticket sales and tourism taxes. So I can't really see them defaulting on the agreement, being as I would imagine that they bring in some unbelievable tourism tax revenue, because of Disney World etc. Now obviously after 10 years they may not feel it was advantageous enough for their local economy, and terminate the contract at that time.
But having said all this if the NFR makes the move the money is pretty much guarenteed to be there at least for 10 years. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-21 8:07 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-20 10:45 PM Found this comment. Has anyone addressed it yet?
Matt, I agree 100% with raising the money for the contestants, and rodeo personell, but I also know FL very well, I know the tourism industry there and I know what FL will do when they are not bringing in the revinue to cover what they promise...It sounds great, but there is a much bigger picture the Osceola County is holding back, if you need proof, ask any biker that has traveled to Daytona for they 10 day event there...they have all but chased them away because the money is not there for them like it once was....I just hope the PRCA weighs all options, and not just paper from 1 city making a promise it doesnt actually know it will keep! I will address it. I'm not a lawyer. But I'm assuming if they sign the contract with the prca for 10 years they will be legally obligated to provide the money they have promised. And my understanding is that money will come from ticket sales and tourism taxes. So I can't really see them defaulting on the agreement, being as I would imagine that they bring in some unbelievable tourism tax revenue, because of Disney World etc. Now obviously after 10 years they may not feel it was advantageous enough for their local economy, and terminate the contract at that time. But having said all this if the NFR makes the move the money is pretty much guarenteed to be there at least for 10 years.
The contractual money may be there, but when Florida over prices the average fan out, the fans wont be there. The most expensive trip I ever took was to Florida. Just sayin. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2013-12-21 8:16 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-21 8:07 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-20 10:45 PM Found this comment. Has anyone addressed it yet?
Matt, I agree 100% with raising the money for the contestants, and rodeo personell, but I also know FL very well, I know the tourism industry there and I know what FL will do when they are not bringing in the revinue to cover what they promise...It sounds great, but there is a much bigger picture the Osceola County is holding back, if you need proof, ask any biker that has traveled to Daytona for they 10 day event there...they have all but chased them away because the money is not there for them like it once was....I just hope the PRCA weighs all options, and not just paper from 1 city making a promise it doesnt actually know it will keep! I will address it. I'm not a lawyer. But I'm assuming if they sign the contract with the prca for 10 years they will be legally obligated to provide the money they have promised. And my understanding is that money will come from ticket sales and tourism taxes. So I can't really see them defaulting on the agreement, being as I would imagine that they bring in some unbelievable tourism tax revenue, because of Disney World etc. Now obviously after 10 years they may not feel it was advantageous enough for their local economy, and terminate the contract at that time. But having said all this if the NFR makes the move the money is pretty much guarenteed to be there at least for 10 years.
That is possible. But then I guess it would move again after 10 years unless they both agreed to nullify the contract.
From what I've read the prca wrote up a wish list and Osceola county pretty much agreed to all of it. So I really think the prca is holding alot more of the cards here than alot of people are assuming. |
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Location: Florida.. | I can vouch for it being expensive.. at theme parks a regular size drink is 5.oo and at nfl games they are 8 bucks. lol roughly
a bottled water 6 bucks. pretty astounding is that normal everywhere? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-20 12:18 PM horselover_jenn - 2013-12-20 9:38 AM Im from Florida. Like 2hr from Silver Spurs. It would be cheaper for me to fly to Vegas and stay there than to either commute or to stay in a hotel in Kissimmee. There is absolutely NOTHING to do over there. Like people are going to want to go to Disney all day then go to the NFR at 5. Same with going to the beach, they are going to have to drive AT LEAST an hour to get to Tampa to a beach. Not to mention who knows where all the Cowboy Christmas stuff would be set up/spread out... Night life afterwards, I guess the only place that would be reasonably close is Downtown Disney? Anyways, overall, it would be super boring and most likely lose a lot of spectators in Florida. I really hope they leave it in Vegas. sounds like a great time.........
it's interesting to now see some of the NFR contestants that were so gung ho the day after with their FB posts, now backpeddling as well....
Since I'm not on FB can anyone tell me what is being said and by whom? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2013-12-21 9:46 AM I can vouch for it being expensive.. at theme parks a regular size drink is 5.oo and at nfl games they are 8 bucks. lol roughly
a bottled water 6 bucks. pretty astounding is that normal everywhere?
Sounds about right.
The huge difference would be in the cost of hotels. You can find some pretty cheap lodging in Vegas along with reasobable air fare and great last minute air/hotel deals. That is not going to happen in Florida.
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Location: South Central Florida | Airline prices will be the most expensive I think, but there are beautiful rooms all over Orlando area from $45 a night to $4K a night. I'm not sure what a room costs in Vegas anymore. Are they as cheap as $45? First week of December, rates are up but not as high as Summer, or as high as Spring.
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Location: South Central Florida | Right now, what does a ticket to the NFR cost per night? And what does a room cost? I have never been to the NFR, but have been to Vegas, it's been a while though. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Swannranch - 2013-12-21 5:10 PM
Airline prices will be the most expensive I think, but there are beautiful rooms all over Orlando area from $45 a night to $4K a night. I'm not sure what a room costs in Vegas anymore. Are they as cheap as $45? First week of December, rates are up but not as high as Summer, or as high as Spring.
What do rooms cost in Vegas?
Our room on the weekdays was $29/night plus a $15 resort fee during the NFR. I would think NFR tickets would be about the same? We always drive down and try not to eat on the strip. Prices are pretty much the same off the strip as they are around home. |
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Location: South Central Florida | kakbarrelracer - 2013-12-21 9:14 PM Swannranch - 2013-12-21 5:10 PM Airline prices will be the most expensive I think, but there are beautiful rooms all over Orlando area from $45 a night to $4K a night. I'm not sure what a room costs in Vegas anymore. Are they as cheap as $45? First week of December, rates are up but not as high as Summer, or as high as Spring.
What do rooms cost in Vegas? Our room on the weekdays was $29/night plus a $15 resort fee during the NFR. I would think NFR tickets would be about the same? We always drive down and try not to eat on the strip. Prices are pretty much the same off the strip as they are around home.
Someone posted earlier on this thread they paid $1200 for 2 people for 2 nights. But I don't know if the seats are different prices in different places, so I'm not sure where that price comes in. So that would have been $300 per person. Anyone else know? |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Swannranch - 2013-12-21 8:40 PM
kakbarrelracer - 2013-12-21 9:14 PM Swannranch - 2013-12-21 5:10 PM Airline prices will be the most expensive I think, but there are beautiful rooms all over Orlando area from $45 a night to $4K a night. I'm not sure what a room costs in Vegas anymore. Are they as cheap as $45? First week of December, rates are up but not as high as Summer, or as high as Spring.
What do rooms cost in Vegas? Our room on the weekdays was $29/night plus a $15 resort fee during the NFR. I would think NFR tickets would be about the same? We always drive down and try not to eat on the strip. Prices are pretty much the same off the strip as they are around home.
That varies greatly. The face value of plaza seats are $75 I believe and I think the balcony seats are close to $50 face value. But since you end up buying your tickets 2nd or 3rd hand the price varies a lot. I think this happens everywhere for many events. I would guess the seats in Orlando would at least be the same because the venue and the scalpers know they can get it.I found seats in the balcony row M for $60 and row S for $120. We got one night of Plaza seats for $75 and another for $200. It's all over the map. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Okay, so seat pricing will vary, but it does now. I don't think it will change that much (scalpers not counted) Room rates will not change that much, but possibly up slightly. $70 and $80 rooms are everywhere even Disney.
Airline prices will go up for those out west, but come down for those in the east...just looked at air fares and airline pricing all depends on where your coming from. Found some cheep seats to Vegas from Florida...Found some cheep seats from Colorado to Florida...just checked random prices for December.
Orlando has easily enough room for Cowboy Christmas.
The layout in Florida is far bigger and you can't really walk from venue to venue.
Both have tons of things to do. Someone said nothing to do in Kissimmee besides Disney...really confussed me. We go up and speend weekends and never go to the parks. Just shop, shows, International Drive.
I don't really care where it goes. In my stomach, I kind of wish it would stay in Vegas, but Florida is a viable alternative.
What I don't understand is that if Vegas is going to put on an ever bigger better rodeo...why not just put that money into the one they already have?
I do like good competition though and the more the merrier. |
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Location: sunny california | I think checking prices for december in florida might not really reflect what the pricing will be after the rodeo is in town. I know those 10 days will bring price increases as demand goes up. flights will go up some as well. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Swannranch - 2013-12-22 9:18 AM
Okay, so seat pricing will vary, but it does now. I don't think it will change that much (scalpers not counted) Room rates will not change that much, but possibly up slightly. $70 and $80 rooms are everywhere even Disney.
Airline prices will go up for those out west, but come down for those in the east...just looked at air fares and airline pricing all depends on where your coming from. Found some cheep seats to Vegas from Florida...Found some cheep seats from Colorado to Florida...just checked random prices for December.
Orlando has easily enough room for Cowboy Christmas.
The layout in Florida is far bigger and you can't really walk from venue to venue.
Both have tons of things to do. Someone said nothing to do in Kissimmee besides Disney...really confussed me. We go up and speend weekends and never go to the parks. Just shop, shows, International Drive.
I don't really care where it goes. In my stomach, I kind of wish it would stay in Vegas, but Florida is a viable alternative.
What I don't understand is that if Vegas is going to put on an ever bigger better rodeo...why not just put that money into the one they already have?
I do like good competition though and the more the merrier.
Maybe they just don't want to deal with the PRCA anymore? I have no idea but where LVE provides most the money maybe they just want to eliminate the middle man? Just speculation on my part. |
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Location: Arkansas | Perhaps the two who paid $1200 for two nights in Las Vegas got into the $15 nut's and took the $35 sucker that was so conviently put out!  |
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