musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:49 AM

This trail has been there since the early 1900's...there's a stream that goes through it & the 2 men in question fixed it to prevent erosion...boohoo...they weren't 'authorized' to do so.  And it sure wasn't $300K worth of damage...propaganda...have to realize that we have tons of archeologists in the area (nothing but a government sponsored hobby).
The BLM has closed most of our back roads & trails...they did a 'Wilderness Study Area' that was to expire after 15 yrs (it was due a couple yrs ago...either declare it Wilderness or retract it...nothing yet).  They hired college kids to come out and install closure signs & block the roads & trails...some of the ranchers & others (jeepers etc...) have spent much time removing the illegal signs and trash & re-opening the illegally closed roads...it is a mess.  The gov't just does this on their own...they make their own policy daily...and I mean the rangers!
 

musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM



Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome!  He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to.  A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown).  The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol.  Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot.  Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader.  Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'!

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp



 

TXBO - 2014-04-17 11:57 AM  I understand the frustration with beauracracy.  I've also seen the damage unrestricted motorized vehicle use can do to wilderness habitat.  It's right on par with over grazed desert destruction.  Seems like your willing to see the lands destroyed to benefit your political ideology.

TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM  I understand the frustration with beauracracy.  I've also seen the damage unrestricted motorized vehicle use can do to wilderness habitat.  It's right on par with over grazed desert destruction.  Seems like your willing to see the lands destroyed to benefit your political ideology.

CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM     Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises..........

musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:10 AM Yup.  That about sums it up.  Those of us who make our living on this land...who are 4, 5, 6th generation 'settlers' don't give a hoot about nothing except tearing it up.  Uh-huh.



I can't understand how they still consider it 'pristine' since we've been destroying it for so long...duh.



 

TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM


 From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion.

CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM


Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises..........

musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:10 AM Yup.  That about sums it up.  Those of us who make our living on this land...who are 4, 5, 6th generation 'settlers' don't give a hoot about nothing except tearing it up.  Uh-huh.



I can't understand how they still consider it 'pristine' since we've been destroying it for so long...duh.



 

dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:19 AM honestly...that attitude is starting to **** me off a little....i would expect you, of all people, would have an interest for both sides and i can't imagine yuou haven't seen both sides....i've been involved in ag my whole life.....our family for generations....my wifes family for generations....so chew on that while you consider my ramblings for a minute.....i have seen just as many willing to abuse their private holdings to the point of practically destroying them for generations to try to make a buck and still go bankrupt..... they didn't give a **** about the land nor after.....i've seen tons and tons of topsoil lost forever because of **** poor farmers, some that are still there, some that aren't.....those that come after them have to deal with that forever......i realize you don't have water out west so i would think that you would be ****ed concerned about some dumbass that contaminates a water supply permanently......maybe not...maybe you really don't give a **** about how some of these landowners destroy the land for generations to come, as long as you can find a thread to hold up and say 'fight the govt'.......not everything is as black and white as you want this to be......



now i'm done with this %@*&%ing thread..

TXBO - 2014-04-18 10:28 AM LOL!  All of our families were settlers at some point.



One of those generations would have had the ability to own that land the 100 years it was available for sale.  Now you want the the fed to just give you "your" land.  It's always easier to destroy something you didn't have to pay for. 

foundation horse - 2014-04-18 11:22 AM Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory.

musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:34 AM You're so off track with your hatred of who I am & what you think I represent.  Your arguements are bordering on silly.

Much of the land out here was never available for sale...the gov't retracted it.  After all, there might be gold in them thar hills...

Sorry that you didn't get one thing that I tried to express...it only makes me realize that the attempt to find common ground is not worth the effort.  It's wasted breath.

 

TXBO - 2014-04-18 10:36 AM They retracted the land because nobody wanted it. 

dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 9:00 AM yes....but the bigger issue is the label of domestic terrorists...which is what the article is really about........just skip the tax/fee  errors

 

musikmaker - 2014-04-18 9:31 AM Wow!  Reid's an idiot & a liar.  Bundy NEVER said he doesn't recognize the United States laws!  Or that he considers the U.S. to be a 'foreign govt'!  Nor were there women & children on the 'front line'...what a 'piece' Reid is.

There's a big difference between the foundation our country was built on (the Constitution) with it's many checks & balances & the federal agencies that are not within the perimeter of said foundation.



Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome!  He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to.  A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown).  The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol.  Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot.  Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader.  Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'!

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp



 

musikmaker - 2014-04-18 9:49 AM This trail has been there since the early 1900's...there's a stream that goes through it & the 2 men in question fixed it to prevent erosion...boohoo...they weren't 'authorized' to do so.  And it sure wasn't $300K worth of damage...propaganda...have to realize that we have tons of archeologists in the area (nothing but a government sponsored hobby).

The BLM has closed most of our back roads & trails...they did a 'Wilderness Study Area' that was to expire after 15 yrs (it was due a couple yrs ago...either declare it Wilderness or retract it...nothing yet).  They hired college kids to come out and install closure signs & block the roads & trails...some of the ranchers & others (jeepers etc...) have spent much time removing the illegal signs and trash & re-opening the illegally closed roads...it is a mess.  The gov't just does this on their own...they make their own policy daily...and I mean the rangers!

 

foundation horse - 2014-04-18 10:22 AM Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory.