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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I didn't realize who ADM was until SG brought it to my attention. They are a huge corporation and so now I get their attitude. They don't care and they will continue to do business as usual and anyone going after them with their lawyer from next door, is going to get spit out and flushed down the toilet like your morning dump. We, as horse owners, are chump change.
Remember when there were no recalls of pet food? Years ago there were many small individual companies making dog foods and these small companies had to be best they could be and they stayed on top of everything concerning their business. Then big companies, like Colgate Palmolive, wanted to make even more money so they saw some of these smaller dog food companies a perfect place to get rid of their by products and make money doing it so the purchasing of these smaller companies began. Some of the smaller companies started to look for bigger companies to do their manufacturing of their foods to keep costs down and they then lost control and had to depend on companies like Diamond to continue the standards they were known for. We all know how well that has been going. I rememeber posting the first dog food recall and we, on BHW, were mortified that our dogs were being feed crap chicken and other ingredients from China. The recalls are now never ending. I probably get one every week.
Now ADM has bought up smaller feed companies and what happened in the dog food industry is now happening in our horse industry. Moorman's was a first class feed company and they demanded a bigger price tag but you knew you were paying for the best ingredients they could get. Along comes ADM and buys them and we all know how well that has turned out. I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I don't see this getting better as it sure hasn't in the dog food industry. We as consumers, need to step up and educate ourselves. Call and find out about the feed you are feeding. Only believe what can be backed up with facts, not hearsay. We are a small group in the scheme of things but we are the only ones that can make a change happen. I don't know about you, but I will gladly pay a few dollars more for feed if I have to in order to get feed that I know is safe rather then taking a crap shoot that the next bag of feed, I feed, isn't tainted.
We need to demand that our horse feed is mixed in a mixer that never sees any substances that are toxic to our horses and is even present where our feed is milled. Tell your feed company to skip the pretty bag and put better quality grains and put that money into making sure that our feed is clean and toxic free.
My heart breaks for all the horse owners being affected by this. Remember...if you are going to go after them you better find a big time lawyer that is familiar with the livestock industry or you will be just wasting your time and money. Hugs to all.
Thanks to SG and Rachelle how have been dilligent keeping us informed. It's now up to you to get proactive and research your feed and the mill your feed is being milled at. Learn how to read your feed tags so you know where and when it was milled at.
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Location: Willows, CA | I think that many more colics are the result of mismanaged feeding programs than feed that is blended wrong at the plant. This is not meant to take any concern away from the current reason for this thread. I just want to point out that a lot of horses are fed in a way that asks for digestive upset. Fitting your feeding program to the way the digestive system actually works can save a lot of heartbreak. The feed industry has really changed in the last ten years. When the economy tanked a lot of feed companies moved from fixed formulations to cheaper least cost formulations. The bags still look the same, but some well known feeds are not. The current issue with medicated contamination has brought how we feed back into focus again. This may be a very good thing in the long run as horse owners demand a better product and just don't assume that what they are buying is of consistent quality. Know what is in your feed. Don't by feed with ingredients like "grain byproducts" "forage byproducts" "plant protein products" or any other "byproduct" description. Who knows what that really is, or how different it is every time it is made. When the feed company formulations jump around under these broad descriptions to make your feed for the least cost, you end up changing your horses diet with every different lot numbered bag that you open. The current contamination issue is a tragidy, but, there is an underlying issue with least cost formulation changes that may contribute to even more issues.
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Location: North Dakota | winwillows - 2015-02-15 3:23 PM I think that many more colics are the result of mismanaged feeding programs than feed that is blended wrong at the plant. This is not meant to take any concern away from the current reason for this thread. I just want to point out that a lot of horses are fed in a way that asks for digestive upset. Fitting your feeding program to the way the digestive system actually works can save a lot of heartbreak. The feed industry has really changed in the last ten years. When the economy tanked a lot of feed companies moved from fixed formulations to cheaper least cost formulations. The bags still look the same, but some well known feeds are not. The current issue with medicated contamination has brought how we feed back into focus again. This may be a very good thing in the long run as horse owners demand a better product and just don't assume that what they are buying is of consistent quality. Know what is in your feed. Don't by feed with ingredients like "grain byproducts" "forage byproducts" "plant protein products" or any other "byproduct" description. Who knows what that really is, or how different it is every time it is made. When the feed company formulations jump around under these broad descriptions to make your feed for the least cost, you end up changing your horses diet with every different lot numbered bag that you open. The current contamination issue is a tragidy, but, there is an underlying issue with least cost formulation changes that may contribute to even more issues.
Truth. My horse is my WORLD and I want to know EVERYTHING that goes on in his life, including what he's eating. I have spent many hours researching the feeds and supplements I give my horses, and rest a little easier knowing they are getting the best I can get. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | winwillows - 2015-02-15 3:23 PM I think that many more colics are the result of mismanaged feeding programs than feed that is blended wrong at the plant. This is not meant to take any concern away from the current reason for this thread. I just want to point out that a lot of horses are fed in a way that asks for digestive upset. Fitting your feeding program to the way the digestive system actually works can save a lot of heartbreak. The feed industry has really changed in the last ten years. When the economy tanked a lot of feed companies moved from fixed formulations to cheaper least cost formulations. The bags still look the same, but some well known feeds are not. The current issue with medicated contamination has brought how we feed back into focus again. This may be a very good thing in the long run as horse owners demand a better product and just don't assume that what they are buying is of consistent quality. Know what is in your feed. Don't by feed with ingredients like "grain byproducts" "forage byproducts" "plant protein products" or any other "byproduct" description. Who knows what that really is, or how different it is every time it is made. When the feed company formulations jump around under these broad descriptions to make your feed for the least cost, you end up changing your horses diet with every different lot numbered bag that you open. The current contamination issue is a tragidy, but, there is an underlying issue with least cost formulation changes that may contribute to even more issues. I would say most horse owners don't know the difference between a fixed and a least cost formula.
I understand what you are saying but we have been talking on other FB forums, how it seems many horses have had weird symptoms come up that just wasn't a simple colic and everyone was at a loss and now wonder how many of those cases could be linked to this? I don't think anyone disagrees that most colics are not caused directly because of tainted feed and these are small in comparison but it's not something to just ignore. But on the other hand...My dad raised horses for over 20 years and had about 40 horses on his place. In all of those years he only had 2 horses colic and both were horses that came up from Texas and were overloaded with parasites. I had one horse colic from 1969 to 1996 when we lived in Illinois and I ended up having a horse have colic surgery when we moved to Texas caused from Coastal Hay and it wasn't a teeth problem. My husband was an equine dentist on the Chicago Race Tracks and my horses were always on a strict schedule.
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Location: Willows, CA | Of course the current issues should not be ignored. On the contrary, I feel that they need every bit of focus that this and other forums have brought to the subject. My point was that, as terrible as this contamination issue is, the vast majority of colics are management related. A better informed horse owner will result in healthier horses. We try to do the best we can for our horses, but accurate information is difficult to come by from many manufacturers. This contamination is proving this point. If you don't know what really is in your feed, how can you make a wise decision about what and how much to use. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-15 3:13 PM I didn't realize who ADM was until SG brought it to my attention. They are a huge corporation and so now I get their attitude. They don't care and they will continue to do business as usual and anyone going after them with their lawyer from next door, is going to get spit out and flushed down the toilet like your morning dump. We, as horse owners, are chump change.
Remember when there were no recalls of pet food? Years ago there were many small individual companies making dog foods and these small companies had to be best they could be and they stayed on top of everything concerning their business. Then big companies, like Colgate Palmolive, wanted to make even more money so they saw some of these smaller dog food companies a perfect place to get rid of their by products and make money doing it so the purchasing of these smaller companies began. Some of the smaller companies started to look for bigger companies to do their manufacturing of their foods to keep costs down and they then lost control and had to depend on companies like Diamond to continue the standards they were known for. We all know how well that has been going. I rememeber posting the first dog food recall and we, on BHW, were mortified that our dogs were being feed crap chicken and other ingredients from China. The recalls are now never ending. I probably get one every week.
Now ADM has bought up smaller feed companies and what happened in the dog food industry is now happening in our horse industry. Moorman's was a first class feed company and they demanded a bigger price tag but you knew you were paying for the best ingredients they could get. Along comes ADM and buys them and we all know how well that has turned out. I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I don't see this getting better as it sure hasn't in the dog food industry. We as consumers, need to step up and educate ourselves. Call and find out about the feed you are feeding. Only believe what can be backed up with facts, not hearsay. We are a small group in the scheme of things but we are the only ones that can make a change happen. I don't know about you, but I will gladly pay a few dollars more for feed if I have to in order to get feed that I know is safe rather then taking a crap shoot that the next bag of feed, I feed, isn't tainted.
We need to demand that our horse feed is mixed in a mixer that never sees any substances that are toxic to our horses and is even present where our feed is milled. Tell your feed company to skip the pretty bag and put better quality grains and put that money into making sure that our feed is clean and toxic free.
My heart breaks for all the horse owners being affected by this. Remember...if you are going to go after them you better find a big time lawyer that is familiar with the livestock industry or you will be just wasting your time and money. Hugs to all.
Thanks to SG and Rachelle how have been dilligent keeping us informed. It's now up to you to get proactive and research your feed and the mill your feed is being milled at. Learn how to read your feed tags so you know where and when it was milled at.
Thank you Kathie. I just was heart sick with the informatio I was reading and more and more of it and PROOF. And ADM's attitude said enough for me, then when hubby explained to me just WHO they were and scoffed at me saying really you think you barrel racers scare them? That make me so yeah I know but I don't care. Bad feed is bad feed. And I want a brand I can count on where it comes from. Not well this mill is free but this one isn't and you have to examine every single bag and label. Until feed companies take us seriously nothing will change except the owners need to get educated! and buy accordingly  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I agree SG and I'm sure the feed stores will get tired of people bringing back feed and asking to look at the labels before they will buy it. The feed stores also need to put pressure on the feed companies to step up to the plate and make it right. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-15 6:24 PM I agree SG and I'm sure the feed stores will get tired of people bringing back feed and asking to look at the labels before they will buy it. The feed stores also need to put pressure on the feed companies to step up to the plate and make it right.
I know I raised awareness at the feed store I use. They were clueless this was going on and was thrilled to get the information |
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Location: Minnesota | I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts?
Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure. |
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Location: Minnesota | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 7:53 AM
Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts?
Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure.
Oh my Lord! What would you suggest I switch to? I have one bag left, Im going to call my feed store and talk with them when they open at 9.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:58 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 7:53 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts? Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure. Oh my Lord! What would you suggest I switch to? I have one bag left, Im going to call my feed store and talk with them when they open at 9.
I'm not exactly sure what your needs are in feed but in my area (NE SD) Purina Equine comes out of Kansas City and they are 100% ionophore free. The cattle feed is made in Sioux City, IA, equine in KC. I switched my old man to Ultium as I won't be feeding Nutrena. Our Nutrena feed comes from New Richland, MN so you can bet yours will be too. I got a message directly from that plant manager as to what ionophore is used there. |
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Location: Florida.. | There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area..
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Location: Minnesota | CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 8:13 AM
Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:58 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-16 7:53 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 7:44 AM I read through all the pages so hopefully I didn't miss anything but what about ADM SENIORGLO. I feed this to my horses and my mare just died a couple weeks ago. I'm up in Minnesota and if Im not mistaken all the cases have been in the southern states. Correct? That doesn't mean that it cant happen up here but did I miss any comments on it being in the SENIORGLO line? My mare was 24 so old but not on deaths door. I spoke with my vet and described how she was the couple days leading up to her dying and he thinks it was a heart attack, I would of never thought about something in her feed. Any thoughts? Do you have any of the feed bags left with the lot numbers? You need to find out where that feed came from. In all honesty I'd send in a sample to check for ionophores. This has been so eye opening. I was feeding Safechoice and when I contacted the mill in Minnesota they said it was run through the same mill as the medicated feed but it was a "safe" alternative. Rachel pointed out that she researched that particular ionophore and small doses of long term use causes heart failiure. Oh my Lord! What would you suggest I switch to? I have one bag left, Im going to call my feed store and talk with them when they open at 9.
My gleding is 20. He's retired from hard riding so were basically just trail riding now. I'll do some more research. Thank you CYA! |
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Location: Minnesota | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM
There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area..Â
Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some. |
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Location: Florida.. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some.
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Location: Minnesota | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:38 AM
Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some.
Oh, no worries Karen. I didn't think you sounded rude at all. I could of very well missed some information in those 30 pages. Reading it on my phone is tough. Im actually at a computer today so I'll go back and reread it. |
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Location: Florida.. | That link is 2 pages of just safe feeds |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 8:40 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:38 AM Ctrygirl14 - 2015-02-16 9:29 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-16 8:17 AM There is a list of mills that are free .. Id suggest reading the thread and I agree with purina.I am not a big fan of Purina at all but ifs a free mill so I may. I wish theyd make it higher fat in the sr though..
feed stores seem to be clueless any of this is happening.. some triple crown -southern states are free mills I thouhgt someone mentioned but not sure.... certain facilities possibly contact them for your area.. Im not a huge fan of Purina either. I'll go back and read the thread. I've been trying to follow it as much as possible but I've clearly missed some. Oh, no worries Karen. I didn't think you sounded rude at all. I could of very well missed some information in those 30 pages. Reading it on my phone is tough. Im actually at a computer today so I'll go back and reread it.
All the Facebook threads and the BHW threads are getting really long and I'm losing some info but somewhere there's a link to a list of all the facilities in the US that have medicated feed. I have the file saved on my computer so if you question a particular mill and know the city its milled in let me know and I can maybe find it for you.  |
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