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smiley Reg. Mar 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:09 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Grammar Expert	musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:28 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:19 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:10 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp I understand the frustration with beauracracy. I've also seen the damage unrestricted motorized vehicle use can do to wilderness habitat. It's right on par with over grazed desert destruction. Seems like your willing to see the lands destroyed to benefit your political ideology. Yup. That about sums it up. Those of us who make our living on this land...who are 4, 5, 6th generation 'settlers' don't give a hoot about nothing except tearing it up. Uh-huh. I can't understand how they still consider it 'pristine' since we've been destroying it for so long...duh. honestly...that attitude is starting to ** me off a little....i would expect you, of all people, would have an interest for both sides and i can't imagine yuou haven't seen both sides....i've been involved in ag my whole life.....our family for generations....my wifes family for generations....so chew on that while you consider my ramblings for a minute.....i have seen just as many willing to abuse their private holdings to the point of practically destroying them for generations to try to make a buck and still go bankrupt..... they didn't give a about the land nor after.....i've seen tons and tons of topsoil lost forever because of poor farmers, some that are still there, some that aren't.....those that come after them have to deal with that forever......i realize you don't have water out west so i would think that you would be ed concerned about some dumbass that contaminates a water supply permanently......maybe not...maybe you really don't give a ** about how some of these landowners destroy the land for generations to come, as long as you can find a thread to hold up and say 'fight the govt'.......not everything is as black and white as you want this to be...... now i'm done with this %@*&%ing thread.. My response was an 'eye roll' for anyone thinking that we don't care about our land. Here's a link to what Phil sent to a more conservative paper 2 weeks ago...it better articulates the love we have for our county: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865600723/Community-space-Recaptured.html?pg=1 I would also suggest that folks should consider the old adage: "Clean up your own backyard before you start cleaning up mine". Sorry, that is a silly comment for a "public" land discussion.
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smiley Reg. Mar 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:11 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Grammar Expert	musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:45 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 10:36 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:34 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 10:28 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:10 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp I understand the frustration with beauracracy. I've also seen the damage unrestricted motorized vehicle use can do to wilderness habitat. It's right on par with over grazed desert destruction. Seems like your willing to see the lands destroyed to benefit your political ideology. Yup. That about sums it up. Those of us who make our living on this land...who are 4, 5, 6th generation 'settlers' don't give a hoot about nothing except tearing it up. Uh-huh. I can't understand how they still consider it 'pristine' since we've been destroying it for so long...duh. LOL! All of our families were settlers at some point. One of those generations would have had the ability to own that land the 100 years it was available for sale. Now you want the the fed to just give you "your" land. It's always easier to destroy something you didn't have to pay for. You're so off track with your hatred of who I am & what you think I represent. Your arguements are bordering on silly. Much of the land out here was never available for sale...the gov't retracted it. After all, there might be gold in them thar hills... Sorry that you didn't get one thing that I tried to express...it only makes me realize that the attempt to find common ground is not worth the effort. It's wasted breath. They retracted the land because nobody wanted it. Some of it was never available to start with. Look, I 'get' that you're liberal thinking on this issue & don't want to lose your 'cash cow'...you, like many others, support the gov't agenies that seem to make your life better...regardless of whether they're out of line or not. You try to look at the 'big picture' to see how it affects the 'general welfare' of ALL the people even if it denies the individual 'inalienable rights' that this country was based on. I get that. Whatever... Is TXBO really a liberal? I'm not. So I don't really get how that is important in the debate. That's right up there with saying all govt. workers should be without an opinion.
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smiley Reg. Mar 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:11 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Grammar Expert	rodeomom13 - 2014-04-18 10:59 AM Is it domestic terrorism or workplace violence? hmmmmmmmmmmm
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musikmaker Reg. Sep 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:21 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Nicknameless Posts: 4565 Location: I can see the end of the world from here!	smiley - 2014-04-18 11:05 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 9:49 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 9:36 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:00 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 8:43 AM And now Harry Reid is calling the supporters domestic terrorist.............really Reid.........and Bundy not paying his taxes...........that is a lie just like he said about Mitt Romney...............Bundy owes for the land lease but he has paid his taxes.........why doesn't somebody call Reid out.............. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/17/sen-reid-calls-supporters-nevada-rancher-bundy-domestic-terrorists/ This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering. yes....but the bigger issue is the label of domestic terrorists...which is what the article is really about........just skip the tax/fee errors I wonder if it's an error. He doesn't recognize the fed's authority. Maybe he doesn't pay taxes. Wow! Reid's an idiot & a liar. Bundy NEVER said he doesn't recognize the United States laws! Or that he considers the U.S. to be a 'foreign govt'! Nor were there women & children on the 'front line'...what a 'piece' Reid is. There's a big difference between the foundation our country was built on (the Constitution) with it's many checks & balances & the federal agencies that are not within the perimeter of said foundation. Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp so what was the 'stunning' 300k in damages they refer too.... This trail has been there since the early 1900's...there's a stream that goes through it & the 2 men in question fixed it to prevent erosion...boohoo...they weren't 'authorized' to do so. And it sure wasn't $300K worth of damage...propaganda...have to realize that we have tons of archeologists in the area (nothing but a government sponsored hobby). The BLM has closed most of our back roads & trails...they did a 'Wilderness Study Area' that was to expire after 15 yrs (it was due a couple yrs ago...either declare it Wilderness or retract it...nothing yet). They hired college kids to come out and install closure signs & block the roads & trails...some of the ranchers & others (jeepers etc...) have spent much time removing the illegal signs and trash & re-opening the illegally closed roads...it is a mess. The gov't just does this on their own...they make their own policy daily...and I mean the rangers! See this is what i mean by half info - the rangers do not "make their own policy" and they are doing all these things due to NEPA. You really need to look into it. This is all the things they have to "look into" and get feedback from just to do an assement: Go to Chapter three and look it over, it's quite extensive. This is a direct result of the NEPA and CEQ laws.............LAWS, not some rogue ranger. I would have copied and pasted but that wasn't allowable or I coudln't figure it out. one or the other. https://www.blm.gov/epl-front-office/projects/nepa/37735/45744/49405/mdu9_pdf.pdf They can & do use their own 'discretion' concerning their dealings with individuals. It happens daily. Some of you will continue to defend these agencies...some of us will continue to see them how they really are. Especially when we have personal experience! So, sorry you can't convince me that I have 'lying eyes'! Lol..
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-18 12:23 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	smiley - 2014-04-18 11:56 AM Yes and no, they are basically what we would consider domestic terrorists, picture the same response for an illegal? We'd call them illegal terrorists. Picture the same response for almsot anything other than a white rancher everyone sees as picked on. I don't necessarily agree with his choice of words, but I do get where he is coming from. A very large group stopped a valid action by standing in their way. IT's not over. The fees/fines are just racking up to an even higher amount. There was no deal for them to back down. It might end up in court or arrest, but it's not over I'm sure. Insurgents....yes. Terrorists....no
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smiley Reg. Mar 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:25 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Grammar Expert	musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:21 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 11:05 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 9:49 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 9:36 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 10:31 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 9:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-18 10:00 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 9:57 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 8:43 AM And now Harry Reid is calling the supporters domestic terrorist.............really Reid.........and Bundy not paying his taxes...........that is a lie just like he said about Mitt Romney...............Bundy owes for the land lease but he has paid his taxes.........why doesn't somebody call Reid out.............. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/17/sen-reid-calls-supporters-nevada-rancher-bundy-domestic-terrorists/ This is the type of thing that drives me insane. Misinformation. Bad reporting. Taking a comment and running with it - i.e. Reid. They are not referring to taxes, this is about fees. Agreed. The misinformation on both sides is staggering. yes....but the bigger issue is the label of domestic terrorists...which is what the article is really about........just skip the tax/fee errors I wonder if it's an error. He doesn't recognize the fed's authority. Maybe he doesn't pay taxes. Wow! Reid's an idiot & a liar. Bundy NEVER said he doesn't recognize the United States laws! Or that he considers the U.S. to be a 'foreign govt'! Nor were there women & children on the 'front line'...what a 'piece' Reid is. There's a big difference between the foundation our country was built on (the Constitution) with it's many checks & balances & the federal agencies that are not within the perimeter of said foundation. Here's a link from the Salt Lake Tribune concerning an ATV ride we're going on next month in the county I live in...Phil is awesome! He wanted to do this last year but the governor called him & asked him not to. A few months ago Sally Jewell (Secretary of Interior) pointed her finger at him in a meeting & said, "I hope you know you cost us a lot of money!" (refering to opening up the parks during the shutdown). The fed has still not re-paid the states as agreed...lol. Phil is very smart, kind & a true patriot. Soft spoken...I hope he survives this as he's a great leader. Interesting to read the 'comments' and see the hate we deal with on a daily basis in our own back yards...might explain our 'fed up attitude'! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57827295-78/blm-canyon-lyman-motorized.html.csp so what was the 'stunning' 300k in damages they refer too.... This trail has been there since the early 1900's...there's a stream that goes through it & the 2 men in question fixed it to prevent erosion...boohoo...they weren't 'authorized' to do so. And it sure wasn't $300K worth of damage...propaganda...have to realize that we have tons of archeologists in the area (nothing but a government sponsored hobby). The BLM has closed most of our back roads & trails...they did a 'Wilderness Study Area' that was to expire after 15 yrs (it was due a couple yrs ago...either declare it Wilderness or retract it...nothing yet). They hired college kids to come out and install closure signs & block the roads & trails...some of the ranchers & others (jeepers etc...) have spent much time removing the illegal signs and trash & re-opening the illegally closed roads...it is a mess. The gov't just does this on their own...they make their own policy daily...and I mean the rangers! See this is what i mean by half info - the rangers do not "make their own policy" and they are doing all these things due to NEPA. You really need to look into it. This is all the things they have to "look into" and get feedback from just to do an assement: Go to Chapter three and look it over, it's quite extensive. This is a direct result of the NEPA and CEQ laws.............LAWS, not some rogue ranger. I would have copied and pasted but that wasn't allowable or I coudln't figure it out. one or the other. https://www.blm.gov/epl-front-office/projects/nepa/37735/45744/49405/mdu9_pdf.pdf They can & do use their own 'discretion' concerning their dealings with individuals. It happens daily. Some of you will continue to defend these agencies...some of us will continue to see them how they really are. Especially when we have personal experience! So, sorry you can't convince me that I have 'lying eyes'! Lol.. It's not a one size fits all. They are not always wrong. If you want to change the agencies - CHANGE THE LAW. Just like the liberals have been doing the last 50+ years.
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smiley Reg. Mar 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:26 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Grammar Expert	Yep, I agree with the word insurgents over terrorists!!
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-18 12:26 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	smiley - 2014-04-18 12:11 PM Is TXBO really a liberal? I'm not. So I don't really get how that is important in the debate. That's right up there with saying all govt. workers should be without an opinion. LMAO! She's just trying to get under my skin. She loves me though.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-18 12:32 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:34 AM You're so off track with your hatred of who I am & what you think I represent. Your arguements are bordering on silly. Much of the land out here was never available for sale...the gov't retracted it. After all, there might be gold in them thar hills... Sorry that you didn't get one thing that I tried to express...it only makes me realize that the attempt to find common ground is not worth the effort. It's wasted breath. Speaking of liberals, so if I disagree with you, it's hatred? That's very progressive of you. LOL
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musikmaker Reg. Sep 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:39 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Nicknameless Posts: 4565 Location: I can see the end of the world from here!	TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:26 AM smiley - 2014-04-18 12:11 PM Is TXBO really a liberal? I'm not. So I don't really get how that is important in the debate. That's right up there with saying all govt. workers should be without an opinion. LMAO! She's just trying to get under my skin. She loves me though. Only when you agree with me & you're not doing much of that lately...wah...lmao! To be specific...I said 'liberal thinking on this issue'.
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musikmaker Reg. Sep 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:39 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Nicknameless Posts: 4565 Location: I can see the end of the world from here!	TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:32 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:34 AM You're so off track with your hatred of who I am & what you think I represent. Your arguements are bordering on silly. Much of the land out here was never available for sale...the gov't retracted it. After all, there might be gold in them thar hills... Sorry that you didn't get one thing that I tried to express...it only makes me realize that the attempt to find common ground is not worth the effort. It's wasted breath. Speaking of liberals, so if I disagree with you, it's hatred? That's very progressive of you. LOL Why thank you! Do you think I'm making progress then?
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-18 12:53 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	musikmaker - 2014-04-18 12:39 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:32 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-18 11:34 AM You're so off track with your hatred of who I am & what you think I represent. Your arguements are bordering on silly. Much of the land out here was never available for sale...the gov't retracted it. After all, there might be gold in them thar hills... Sorry that you didn't get one thing that I tried to express...it only makes me realize that the attempt to find common ground is not worth the effort. It's wasted breath. Speaking of liberals, so if I disagree with you, it's hatred? That's very progressive of you. LOL Why thank you! Do you think I'm making progress then? Right now I think you need about 90 days in the looney bin.
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foundation horse Reg. Aug 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:54 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Semper Fi Location: North Texas	TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 11:22 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises.......... From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion. Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory. This is just a hunch, FH, but I bet if they removed every one of Bundy's cattle and all improvements, rest the land for two years, I could fly over it and point out where is cattle were grazing. Just follow the mesquites that have replaced all the natural vegetation. I have pulled all the mesquites on MY Land. It is something called 'management' and I would imagine the Bundy Family has been 'managing' this tract of real estate most likely better than The BLM. Edited by foundation horse 2014-04-18 1:06 PM
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foundation horse Reg. Aug 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 12:59 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Semper Fi Location: North Texas	smiley - 2014-04-18 12:08 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 10:22 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises.......... From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion. Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory. A ruse? For what?? Solar panels 25 years in the future? That's quite an ability to see that far ahead. ENVIRONMENTALISTS. ACTIVISTS. THOSE are your enemies. Turns out they think they know a few uses for the land too. Do you discount the documented reports of Harry Reid's Involvement with this dating to the same time that Bundy had his initial disagreement with The BLM? Also, what that Legal Standing that The Federal Judge has assessed upon The Bundy Claim based upon The Precedent set by The Wayne Hage Case?
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-18 1:06 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	foundation horse - 2014-04-18 12:54 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 11:22 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises.......... From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion. Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory. This is just a hunch, FH, but I bet if they removed every one of Bundy's cattle and all improvements, rest the land for two years, I could fly over it and point out where is cattle were grazing. Just follow the mesquites that have replaced all the natural vegetation. I have pulled all the mesquites on MY Land. It is something 'management' and I would imagine the Bundy Family has 'managing' this tract of real estate most likely better than The BLM. With all due respect, FH, I'd bet big money against it. It was the first thing I noticed when I say clips of the roundup. Cattle walking through mesquite with no ground cover. Edited by TXBO 2014-04-18 1:16 PM
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foundation horse Reg. Aug 2004	Posted 2014-04-18 1:08 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Semper Fi Location: North Texas	TXBO - 2014-04-18 1:06 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 12:54 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 11:22 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises.......... From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion. Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory. This is just a hunch, FH, but I bet if they removed every one of Bundy's cattle and all improvements, rest the land for two years, I could fly over it and point out where is cattle were grazing. Just follow the mesquites that have replaced all the natural vegetation. I have pulled all the mesquites on MY Land. It is something 'management' and I would imagine the Bundy Family has 'managing' this tract of real estate most likely better than The BLM. With all due respect, FH, I'd bet big money against it. It was the first thing I noticed when I say clips of the roundup. Cattle walking through mesquite with no groung cover. To be perfectly honest with you I have not really paid attention to that aspect.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-18 1:20 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	foundation horse - 2014-04-18 1:08 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 1:06 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 12:54 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 11:22 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises.......... From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion. Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory. This is just a hunch, FH, but I bet if they removed every one of Bundy's cattle and all improvements, rest the land for two years, I could fly over it and point out where is cattle were grazing. Just follow the mesquites that have replaced all the natural vegetation. I have pulled all the mesquites on MY Land. It is something 'management' and I would imagine the Bundy Family has 'managing' this tract of real estate most likely better than The BLM. With all due respect, FH, I'd bet big money against it. It was the first thing I noticed when I say clips of the roundup. Cattle walking through mesquite with no groung cover. To be perfectly honest with you I have not really paid attention to that aspect. I don't think many paid attention. Take a look at this and tell me what you think. (web1_roundup_040714JL_08_6 (640x407) (500x318) (250x159).jpg) Attachments ---------------- web1_roundup_040714JL_08_6 (640x407) (500x318) (250x159).jpg (66KB - 221 downloads)
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bscanchaser Reg. Feb 2005	Posted 2014-04-18 1:46 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
	So this to kind of a question for those who are big on the States taking control back over the lands that the Fed’s run. I know several other Western states have looked into this possibility- my question to you is what makes you certain that Nevada is wanting to move in that direction? I have attended my County Commissioner meeting regarding AB 221 and the impacts it would have to the State and Counties. From my prospective of these meetings, it doesn’t seem likely to go forward. The County Commissioners indicated that the State would push down majority of the management responsibilities to the County levels if they pursue taking over the land. Our County is pretty well off financially but had major concerns about the overall costs of implementation, management and lack of personnel and equipment that would be necessary to move forward without change in use. They said that a large portion of the land that the State takes over would need to be sold to be private ground to limit the responsibilities that the County would have for management. Public concern seemed to revolve around the large stake holders in our area (meaning the large companies ie. mining, gas, power) that would likely purchase and take over majority of the ex-BLM land; you add this to the Rail Road checker board and this means there is no legal access to most properties- this means no hunting, no fishing, no atv, no horseback trail rides, and no open cattle grazing. Right now, in my district there are 9,277,772 public land acres divided up into 104 allotments with 95 operators. So basically those 95 operators run an average of 97,660 acres each- if this ground were to be sold at a cheap $100/acre that would be an astounding $9,776,000 per user to maintain what they currently run. Large corporations are going to buy up this land and either close it to public use or charge for use. Seems like a lose-lose for most ranchers/users in my area. I’m guessing this will give smaller people an opportunity to purchase some cheap land but they won’t be able to sustain especially considering the current grazing number say it requires 50 acres support 1 AUM. That $1.35/AUM seems pretty cheap according to my business accounting. I honestly don’t know very many ranchers that have millions lying around to be able to purchase vast ground to protect their grazing rights- and the ranchers at these meeting had the same sentiments. Edited by bscanchaser 2014-04-18 1:53 PM
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bscanchaser Reg. Feb 2005	Posted 2014-04-18 1:51 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
	TXBO - 2014-04-18 1:20 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 1:08 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 1:06 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 12:54 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 11:22 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises.......... From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion. Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory. This is just a hunch, FH, but I bet if they removed every one of Bundy's cattle and all improvements, rest the land for two years, I could fly over it and point out where is cattle were grazing. Just follow the mesquites that have replaced all the natural vegetation. I have pulled all the mesquites on MY Land. It is something 'management' and I would imagine the Bundy Family has 'managing' this tract of real estate most likely better than The BLM. With all due respect, FH, I'd bet big money against it. It was the first thing I noticed when I say clips of the roundup. Cattle walking through mesquite with no groung cover. To be perfectly honest with you I have not really paid attention to that aspect. I don't think many paid attention. Take a look at this and tell me what you think. This is Nevada as a whole- Fires and overgrazing are destructive- combine that with an average of 7" of rainfall (Bunkerville 5.73") it takes DECADES to get back what was lost. This is why management is so important and why majority of ranchers comply to grazing restrictions after wildfires and habitat loss- they know the future impacts it will have on them if they are ignorant and don't take care of what they have.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-18 2:01 PM Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	foundation horse - 2014-04-18 12:54 PM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:35 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-18 11:22 AM TXBO - 2014-04-18 11:12 AM CJE - 2014-04-18 11:06 AM Were they really overgrazing or was it about the tortoises.......... From everything i've read, it appears to be over grazing.... But that's just my opinion. Then the tortoise(s) were a blatant excuse and the referenced Nature Conservancy (since bankrupt) was a ruse, was it not? Because The BLM mentioned numerous times the aforementioned supposed causes to the best of my memory. This is just a hunch, FH, but I bet if they removed every one of Bundy's cattle and all improvements, rest the land for two years, I could fly over it and point out where is cattle were grazing. Just follow the mesquites that have replaced all the natural vegetation. I have pulled all the mesquites on MY Land. It is something called 'management' and I would imagine the Bundy Family has been 'managing' this tract of real estate most likely better than The BLM. Here's another fun one, FH. What you're seeing is nothing but Mesquite. That is not what the Great Basin desert is supposed to look like. Edited by TXBO 2014-04-18 2:03 PM (mesquite.jpg) Attachments ---------------- mesquite.jpg (11KB - 220 downloads)
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